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Fuming about my mums demands and her audacity

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BernardButlersBra · 07/06/2025 10:40

I have woken up to a text from my mother saying she's "finding things too much" and l "need to spend more time giving her and my auntie more support". She lives half the country away from me, retired and lives separately from auntie. They are both in their early 70's. My mums health is good, probably better than mine. Mental health is up and down, l have suggested therapy which she declines. At intervals she takes antidepressants but sneakily stops taking them before discussing with GP or anyone else. I have previously suggested she use a handyman, PA, supermarket food shopping delivery but she doesn't want to. Despite having the means to do so

l have toddler twins, work full time, study and have a chronic neuroimmune condition (still quite new and doctors are trying to figure out my exact diagnosis). My husband and l have barely a minute to ourselves as it is. Apparently l have day off in the week (it's not really a day off as l work compressed hours to do childcare on this day as twin childcare is so expensive). As a mother she's never been the most motivated e.g. when my brother was going to university she "didn't feel like taking him", then tried to make me do it even though l couldn't drive at that point and didnt have a car. Her grand parenting game isn't amazing either -has never changed a nappy or cared for them ever. Only come to visit them 3 times in their lives, her favourite trick is book something and announce she is coming. Then is annoyed we are at work / childcare but then doesn't want to visit late afternoon / evening. I have told her numerous times that we work and the children are in childcare. I have made it crystal clear we have limited annual leave (like most people!) and we have to use most of our leave for when our childcare is closed. We need to plan ahead to make stuff happen which she ignores

For clarity l have 2 brothers -1 lives about an hour from her (he did live abroad for a long time until recently) and the other lives vaguely near me. She will decline to involve them in this demand as "they are so busy". So lm just chilling out waiting to step in?! I'm not saying they aren't busy but why are the expectations on me?! I'm guessing it's sexism. I have been no contact with auntie for a few years due to her rudeness and bad behaviour (she loves to make everting about her especially other people's big occasions e.g. wedding, graduation etc) so why would l assist her?!

I won't be giving in to the demands but l need to ventilate!

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Whyherewego · 07/06/2025 16:50

Can I just say that even if you didnt have twins, the point remains.. you have work, a life and commitments where you are. Compressed hours is full time ! It's just longer hours on certain days so you're probably more tired on the non work day too.
If she lived round the corner you could pop in the odd time and give her a hand with things but she's the other side of the country. So the work. Life, kids, commitments locally mean its just not possible.
So nip it in the bud, if she says you're thoughtless then just say "I'm sorry you feel that way but I have a very busy schedule so this position wont change any time soon"

screwyou · 07/06/2025 16:44

My DM is 71 and still works full time. Early 70s isn't frail in many cases, she's being out of order ignore her!

Mum5net · 07/06/2025 16:39

You have the measure of her, OP.
You have my full admiration for approaching this head on when you can.
Loads of golden nuggets in these replies.
I’d be tempted now to only communicate with her via a group what’s app with your siblings.
Trust your judgment and always put your family first.

JustGiveMeWineNow · 07/06/2025 16:26

Ah god I feel your pain! Mine is as bad. Can you do this, can you do that. Boys are asked to do nothing. Worked like a dog all week. Self employed had a really good week money wise. Mother is minted and then wants to know why I don’t sell unwanted clothes on Vinted. It’s like for fuck sake do you not think I have enough to do. 🙈🙈

chunkybear · 07/06/2025 16:16

You need to say no. She probably thinks you're an easy target. Point out all of the help she can get elsewhere and tell her you're too busy with all those things you've mentioned - twins are crazy busy, especially working full time and studying

RareGoalsVerge · 07/06/2025 16:06

I agree with you it's sexism @BernardButlersBra , with a healthy dise of narcissism and anxiety that no one is centering her in their lives due to having built their own. You seem to have your head screwed on properly at least.

Anxioustealady · 07/06/2025 16:01

TorroFerney · 07/06/2025 15:46

You may not do this as you seem to have a really good handle on it but fight the urge to overexplain or justify. A thing which resonated with me when I heard it was that if someone wants to understand then no matter how badly you explain they will but if they don’t you could put hours into the perfect message the perfect words but they don’t want to understand so they won’t.

I agree with this. I think you would be wasting your time and energy OP, she won't suddenly get it because she doesn't want to. She's only interested in what she wants, and getting you to serve them.

I would try to push back as much as possible and make it clear you won't be running around after her, while she's not that old and can learn to do things like online food shops etc.

Meadowfinch · 07/06/2025 15:57

"Sorry mum, I have the twins, a full time job and a house to manage so it's just not going to happen. I have my hands full. Let me know if you or auntie need help finding a handyman or a cleaner. "

And repeat regularly

EmotionalBlackmail · 07/06/2025 15:54

Have you heard of JADE?
Don't try to Justify, Argue, Defend or Explain yourself. It helps you avoid getting dragged into arguments. She won’t be interested in your reasoning or want to listen.

Don't respond instantly to messages like this. I always leave mine a few hours if not longer, then you’re not responding in the heat of the moment. Then don’t explain or justify yourself, turn it back onto her.

Hadalifeonce · 07/06/2025 15:53

I would send links to care agencies, Like Home Instead, or something similar. And say you're sorry she is struggling, but these agencies can help her; I wouldn't even mention how full on your life is, she will just brush it away.

TorroFerney · 07/06/2025 15:48

rainbowstardrops · 07/06/2025 15:37

I would literally reply, ‘Do you have any idea what my life looks like right now? I have twins and a full time job’ and leave it there

She doesn’t care what the ops life looks like, I’m not sure that will help. Op is there to serve this woman that’s what she believes.

LaughingCat · 07/06/2025 15:48

Totally feel for you OP - my mum is 70 next year and is the same with the emotional blackmail and learned helplessness. Also refuses therapy.

There isn’t much that you can do - just stay strong, stick to your guns and pray she doesn’t move in down the road from you 😱

TorroFerney · 07/06/2025 15:46

BernardButlersBra · 07/06/2025 15:17

Totally agree. At some point l will text back and follow up with an email "reminding" her how thinly l am spread! I couldn't afford to reduce my working hours, plus it would impact my pension. Plus we can't afford more childcare even with my current earning power. This could go on for 20-25 years and it's a want thing, rather than a need thing. I will try directing her to my brothers but she is way more polite and deferential to them. I get told lm selfish and thoughtless despite doing the most!

For clarity there are no cognitive issues, she's just very selective about the way she thinks about and remembers things

You may not do this as you seem to have a really good handle on it but fight the urge to overexplain or justify. A thing which resonated with me when I heard it was that if someone wants to understand then no matter how badly you explain they will but if they don’t you could put hours into the perfect message the perfect words but they don’t want to understand so they won’t.

DiggyDoodad · 07/06/2025 15:46

blueshedhermit · 07/06/2025 15:27

You can't just arrange a Care Act Assessment on someone else's behalf!

Of course you can, with the person's consent. I did it for my MIL. Phoned up a home care company and arranged for a care assessment. We met the assessor in MIL's home. She asked questions to ascertain MIL's care needs, then explained what her company could do to assist and agreed a care schedule of carers coming to the house on a daily basis.

blueshedhermit · 07/06/2025 15:39

Slightlyconfusedowl · 07/06/2025 15:36

No one is suggesting to go ahead and attempt to arrange a care assessment, they are suggesting it as a response to someone continually saying they can’t cope when they are also at the same time rejecting all reasonable offers of help and support that the OP can arrange remotely.

Suspected as much 🙄

blueshedhermit · 07/06/2025 15:38

Has she gone into any detail about finding things too much? I would use this to fact check, i.e. is she finding her hoarder sister difficult, has she realised she isn't as capable as she believed? Is she getting into a financial mess? If there are practical things, a family conversation is needed with your brothers first. If there isn't anything specific, I would use it as an opportunity to suggest she considers support from local groups for activities, telephone befriending etc.

rainbowstardrops · 07/06/2025 15:37

I would literally reply, ‘Do you have any idea what my life looks like right now? I have twins and a full time job’ and leave it there

Slightlyconfusedowl · 07/06/2025 15:36

blueshedhermit · 07/06/2025 15:27

You can't just arrange a Care Act Assessment on someone else's behalf!

No one is suggesting to go ahead and attempt to arrange a care assessment, they are suggesting it as a response to someone continually saying they can’t cope when they are also at the same time rejecting all reasonable offers of help and support that the OP can arrange remotely.

EmotionalBlackmail · 07/06/2025 15:33

Mine was at a similar distance (maybe 5-6 hour drive away), so saw us a handful of times per year. And couldn’t imagine what our lives were like. I got some
advice on here not to run around after her if she did visit - she’d come for a few weekends a year and it would be a nightmare running around after her whims, thinking of food everyone could eat and activities everyone could do - ranging from mostly sedentary elderly person who wanted to talk about themself to energetic toddlers! She wasn’t impressed at having to go along with what we were doing, which meant a lot of time sitting on her own as we were at work, but it did help her realise how little time we had.

I’d also grey rock any comments she makes:
”oh dear, that sounds hard, what did [name of sibling] suggest they could do to help?”
“Did you contact the gardener/handyman/cleaner I suggested? They’d be great for getting x done?”
”That supermarket/pharmacy/taxi firm offers a great service. I sent you their number, didn’t I?”

Womblingmerrily · 07/06/2025 15:31

If you're feeling really brave and up to stirring things up send auntie a copy of the Swedish death cleaning book and some details of house clearance/ decluttering companies or suggest she tries to get on the next series of 'sort your life out'

BunnyRuddington · 07/06/2025 15:31

Really feel for you but you’re right, you do not have the capacity to give her time or money even if you did have the incantation.

I agree with asking her exactly what it is that she thinks she’s struggling with, that way you can offer solutions. My DD also refuses online shopping and said that she can’t carry shopping so we have to take her. The solution, we bought her a shopping trolley.

I also agree with looking at retirement villages and suggesting she moves to one or perhaps she could move on with your DAunt?

Womblingmerrily · 07/06/2025 15:29

You seem to have the measure of her and her sexist expectations of your servitude.

I would be pushing back hard with 'have you asked Fred/Jim to do this?' When she says 'they're so busy' I would say 'I have already told you I am very busy. Is the reason you ignore me because I'm female?'

She wants to bully you into submission. You are going to have to push back hard and repeatedly.

If she keeps going I would be honest with her and say 'mum, I don't have time to do this and your demands are making me not want to see you or talk to you.'

blueshedhermit · 07/06/2025 15:27

Wolfhat · 07/06/2025 11:19

Vent away. Sorry you're going through this. I think you need to be crystal clear on what you can and can't do and repeat it like a broken record but its so hard when the guilt tripping starts.

I would just say 'If you can't cope I will arrange a care assessment.' and maybe in advance plan a visit, every three months or so, 'I'll be there last weekend of july so we can take stock of the situation then. If you can't cope contact geographically close brother or Ill arrange a care assessment. In the meantime I am prepared to set you up an online grocery account.'

You can't just arrange a Care Act Assessment on someone else's behalf!

Slightlyconfusedowl · 07/06/2025 15:21

Do not give in to the emotional blackmail. It will never end if you do. Great idea to say that you will arrange a care assessment if she can’t cope 😂

BernardButlersBra · 07/06/2025 15:21

BangersAndGnash · 07/06/2025 11:41

How infuriating!

Vent here as much as you need to and then send a very calm, factual direct message back.

Explaining why you yourself have no added capacity.

”But if you feel you are struggling we can discuss practical ways of you getting the support you need. I am your daughter and love you and care about you, but as you can see I am already at full capacity. Perhaps next time I come you , me and brother should have a meeting to decide support during the next few years, as I will not have extra time until the twins are in secondary, and I am not sure how my own health condition will be by then Have a great day, Love you xxxx”

The repeat, grey rock, repeat, “we have had this conversation Mum” grey rock and grey-rock on!

Edited

A family wide discussion will need to be done at some point l agree so everyone can have their say. I'm reluctant to put a timeline on it as l don't intend to be dragging myself on 500 miles regularly and probably will want a rest from intensive caring. Rather than taking on another commitment. She won't move here and we won't move there (we are settled with a mortgage, jobs, childcare, family, friends etc)

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