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CruisingDuck · 21/05/2025 15:29

Looking for help on what I can do with this stressful situation. I’m sorry it’s a long read.
Background – my 40-year-old brother is living at home with my parents. Always has done with the exception of being away for work prior to the covid pandemic. I don’t want to give too much info away as fear it would identify us (little chance I know, but I’m paranoid). Anyway, he worked in the music industry where he was always travelling mostly to the USA, so to be honest, he was hardly back here in the UK. He had a partner out there, and before Covid hit, he was in the process of applying for the nest level visa up to allow him to move out there for work (I’m not 100% on this part). But he split with his partner, claims he was raped by her, sexually and financially abused. Since he has been home in March 2020, he has still managed to work virtually, but work is not as fast coming in, but he still has an income and also patreon too. I’m not sure on the full amount he receives, but it’s not masses, but above any threshold to claim benefits.
So, since March 2020, he has regularly been experiencing really bad mental health issues. He says he is depressed, wishes to end his life (but too scared to), and has been on medication from the Dr and trialled other types which don’t seem to help him. He has regular episodes, at least once a month that last anywhere between a couple of days – 2 weeks, where he is utterly vile to my parents, destroys the house (punching holes in walls, damaging furniture, chucking wine about). One episode, he will ignore my mum, the next, it will be my dad and its just horrible being around him. He screams and shouts that he was a battered child (I can honestly say I never saw anything like that, I wasn’t battered by my parents, literally a smacked bum when naughty growing up (as was accepted then)). We were adopted as babies, literally around 3 months old. Parents always open and honest with it, but he uses this against them too, claims he has adoption trauma from it all and blames my parents from taking him away from his biological mother. (She was 14 at the time of birth and she wanted the adoption so my brother could have a better life). I too am adopted, parents always open and honest, always told us how loved and special we are etc and honestly, we got everything we could ever want growing up. Not love bombed etc. We both had a good childhood as far as I know.
My brother is very musically talented so a lot of weekends were spent with my dad taking my brother to his gigs etc and honestly, even to this day, when he talks about my brother, it’s always to say about what he does for work, how talented he is and how proud he is.
But back to current day and these episodes. Parents have asked him to move out – he refused. My parents offered to buy him a house (as part of their estate). He refused (…I know…!!). He says he will never move out and his lifelong dream is to stay in the family home. My parents want to downsize as the house is too big for them now. When my parents explored moving, he hit the roof and went on hunger strike etc for 3 weeks. He said he wants the house. At this point, in my parents wills, in the event of their death, the house will need to be sold with 50/50 to me and my brother. He said he wants this house and will do anything possible to make sure that happens. He couldn’t get a mortgage for it. My husband and I couldn’t get a mortgage on it with our joint income as we couldn’t afford to, so what hope has my brother got?
My parents want to sell the house soon so that (in their words) I don’t have the issue of evicting him and dealing with the fall out). He said he will only ever leave the house if he is 6 feet under. I don’t need the money from the sale of the house, but it will go into trust for my son when he is older.
When he is in his episodes and destroying the house, my parents have called the police for help, they’ve called 111 for NHS mental health crisis team and honestly no one helps. The big problem we have is that he just switches the mood off and is all fine and charming to the police/NHS staff. So, whilst I agree he has an underlying MH issue, I don’t think it’s anything uncontrollable like bipolar etc, plus the doctors haven’t diagnosed him with anything. Social Work are not interested either,
He is refusing to move out, says he has no where to go, no friends to stay with and is lonely (His only friend is his weed dealer…), but he screams and threatens suicide. My parents (in their 70s) are broken and cry to me with stress. They are scared he will commit suicide and cannot deal with the guilt if he did so.
I have suggested the next step is to contact a lawyer and get an official, legal eviction notice and when he refuses to leave, the police are called. Is that right?
What can we do? My parents are verging on a breakdown. My dad now has heart issues and needs to keep calm, but he cannot do this when he is literally a prisoner in his own home,

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GreenCandleWax · 15/06/2025 01:59

Could you and D parents (desperate measures) rent a flat for him - maybe pay a few months in advance, without him knowing. Then pack his clothes and other stuff into a suitcase while he is out, take it to the flat (though hopefully a decent distance away), and when he comes back, you have changed the locks on the house. There will be a note on the front door explaining that he now lives elsewhere and here is the key of his new home. Would that be possible through a letting agent who would not necessarily meet the new tenant beforehand? Hoping for a good solution for all concerned. Flowers

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 13:22

FortyElephants · 12/06/2025 13:04

Again, don't pin your hopes on mental health services helping you get him out. Even if he has a MH assessment he's not likely to get sectioned and he will just be discharged back to their house with a plan than he will ignore.

I know, they need to go down the legal route to evict him. They are planning on downsizing anyway, so the goal is to move away and he won't be able to follow, but I have told them they need to seek legal advice now.

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FortyElephants · 12/06/2025 13:04

Again, don't pin your hopes on mental health services helping you get him out. Even if he has a MH assessment he's not likely to get sectioned and he will just be discharged back to their house with a plan than he will ignore.

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 11:26

So I have called social work - well it's labelled the Adult Protection team, so someone will call me back and go into more greater detail about the ongoing issues.

@MiloMinderbinder925 He was meant to have a MH Assessment, that's what he was taken in for, but it never happened and instead he text my dad to tell me that the doctors are angry at me and will be contacting me to tell me they are not happy as apparently he should not have been in the hospital in the first place. I told my dad to reply with "What ward are you in as I will contact them myself". Funny enough, I did not receive a reply.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/06/2025 11:07

@CruisingDuck He wouldn't be sectioned for a personality disorder, he could for psychosis if he's a danger to himself or others. He's discussed antipsychotics with staff and been discharged and it doesn't sound like he was properly assessed.

You were given quite a lot of advice such as contacting domestic abuse organisations and social services before. Your parents could get a non molestation order even if he's still living there but they need to be prepared to follow through.

I would show evidence of his behaviour to the police and social services and get legal advice. Rights of Women give free legal advice.

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 11:00

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/06/2025 09:33

What has he done in order to be sectioned?

Now this is the police and clinician from the ambulance service's opinion. but he is displaying signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder or psychosis, which requires a MH assessment. This is why the emergency ambulance was dispatched yesterday with police asked to be in attendance, and hence why he was taken to the hospital for assessment, yet when he was taken to A&E and triaged there, he said (and as quoted from the discharge letter which was read out to me from hospital yesterday) "he is feeling back to his normal self and will contact GP regarding restarting Mirtazapine". He then came home and resumed abusive behaviour and chain smoking cannabis and drinking excessive amounts of alcohol before staggering to bed at 5:30am.

My parents have cameras both at front and back doors and one in the kitchen and they all pick up his outbursts, him damaging things in the house, destroying the kitchen sink etc, his outbursts and screaming is loud enough for the cameras to pick it up so my dad has all the clips stored as evidence.

He was texting abuse to my dad the last 2 days and also sending voice notes all on Telegram. My dad has saved all these too, even though my brother thinks he's being clever by clearing previous message history.

I have just spoken to my parents now and he is still in bed and things are quiet. They know to tell me how things are when he's up and if he kicks off, that I will be calling the police. I will also be finishing this message and going to contact Social Work on behalf of my vulnerable parents to see what supports we can get in place.

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MissMoneyFairy · 12/06/2025 09:51

Forget the mh detaining then, call the 999 when he starts smashing up the house and abusing two elderly vulnerable people.

FortyElephants · 12/06/2025 09:45

I wouldn't rely on him getting sectioned and even if he did I don't think it would solve the issues. Your parents need to change the locks while he's out, install cameras on the doors and windows if they don't already have them and inform him he cannot come back. If they have the financial means they could book him a hotel room for a couple of weeks while he gets used to the idea and calms down in order to have a sensible discussion with them. Or if he won't do that, he will escalate his behaviour to the point that services will have to step in.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/06/2025 09:33

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 09:33

Nope because he refuses to engage with services. Even health related, last year he had to go to hospital with suspected stomach ulcers etc, but he refused the endoscopy, so that was the end of that.

What has he done in order to be sectioned?

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 09:33

MissMoneyFairy · 12/06/2025 09:31

Has he ever been diagnosed?

Nope because he refuses to engage with services. Even health related, last year he had to go to hospital with suspected stomach ulcers etc, but he refused the endoscopy, so that was the end of that.

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MissMoneyFairy · 12/06/2025 09:31

Has he ever been diagnosed?

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 09:30

MissMoneyFairy · 12/06/2025 09:25

Is he sending abusive messages to dad from their house, where is he, is he at your parents house. His threats to you from his friends need to be reported to the police, he sounds a nasty piece of work high on drugs and alcohol, maybe there are no mental health issues. It's up to your parents to keep calling 999 and evicting him. Idgono contact with him, funny he can afford a phone contract,

Yes at home and the police said as he's at a private residence they cannot detain him, only if he was in a public place.

Oh definitely going no contact with him - the nasty piece of work.

Definitely MH issues, he has admitted that in the past that this is due to poor MH, but he refuses to engage with services for proper help, support and treatment. He keeps stop/starting his anti depressants too on his own say which doesn't help things.

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MissMoneyFairy · 12/06/2025 09:25

Is he sending abusive messages to dad from their house, where is he, is he at your parents house. His threats to you from his friends need to be reported to the police, he sounds a nasty piece of work high on drugs and alcohol, maybe there are no mental health issues. It's up to your parents to keep calling 999 and evicting him. Idgono contact with him, funny he can afford a phone contract,

CruisingDuck · 12/06/2025 09:11

So, the police called back and advised me to contact the ambulance service on 999 and ask for an ambulance with a mental health doctor to attend as he needs a MH assessment. Ambulance Service said they would dispatch the ambulance but not a MH Dr, so the clinician called back and said that what will happen is the paramedics will attend and encourage my brother to attend hospital for a MH assessment with the potential of being sectioned under the MH Act. We were shocked that he willingly went with the paramedics, but straight away he was texting my dad abuse and saying we have abandoned him. He then started posting all over facebook, but only deleted the post after I had commented staying it was me who called 999 and I did so out of concern etc.

He was seen by a regular dr at A&E and he told this Dr that he felt back to his normal self and will go back to GP about meds. He manipulated his way out the situation, did not get the MH assessment and he left. Came home and started sending my dad abusive voice notes again late at night.

I know what was said on his discharge paperwork about telling the Dr he feels back to his normal self, I called A&E reception through the switchboard and that is what they told me. Whether they should have told me that (after I confirmed all his details and how he arrived etc), is an issue for another day.

I have now woken up to messages from friends showing me screenshots of what he has been ranting about on facebook in the night, including that he is being targeted by someone he used to be close with (me). His 'friends' on facebook saying they are ready to help with a baseball bat and ready to meet kneecaps for him, so I'm taking that as a direct threat at me.

I don't know what to do. My parents are getting irate now and begging me not to call the police again as it will make things even worse, but apparently they know what they are doing, they are decluttering with the view to sell the house and evict him. I told them nicely that on paper sounds like a good plan, but what about now?

Tensions very high last night - I don't know what to do. Deep down I know I need to call the police back and I will..

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CruisingDuck · 11/06/2025 21:59

He’s walked out the hospital!!

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CruisingDuck · 11/06/2025 21:43

He’s clearly lying as he’s still waiting and says he’s going to sign himself out, but he said earlier he’s getting discharged so clearly he’s lying. He’s saying he shouldn’t be there etc.
my parents are coming on holiday with me next week,
I suspect this is triggering this episode as he’s claiming he can’t live alone etc.
last night he was high and drunk so he decided from 4am to keep phoning the house phone for 2 rings then hanging up, then sent my dad abusive and threatening voice notes which the paramedics heard!

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GreenCandleWax · 11/06/2025 21:27

i am so sorry for your poor parents. That level of stress is not sustainable and in itself is putting them at risk. Can you get them to have a break from the house for a short while? Its shocking that there seems no outside help for their predicament. When you say you have cameras in the house, does that include ones that would take a video of his outbursts?

bringbacksideburns · 11/06/2025 21:11

You report him to social services for elder abuse and emotional blackmail and harassment. Your parents won’t like it but they can’t continue like this. If he’s violent and starts smashing things you ring the police. And keep doing it.

Has he ever been diagnosed with a mental illness? I have a brother with schizophrenia who was sectioned in his 20s and did well for years.

He stopped taking his meds about 3 years ago ( He even worked for the NHS himself on a psychiatric ward giving people medication - so go figure! 😐) and we are now estranged. I have tried to get him help and believe me it’s next to impossible, despite his history and the fact he has a serious mental illness. The mental health service isn’t really fit for purpose and he’s not voluntarily going to ask to be sectioned.

At least they have sorted their will out which is more than my parents have.
I would say that you have to act now. Your parents should have a safeguarding assessment with elderly care social services because this will get worse.

Can you talk to your brother at all? Is he completely incapable of seeing sense?
Sadly if your parents change the locks and kick him out he may then get some help but whilst they are putting up with this blackmail and aggression nothing will change.

MissMoneyFairy · 11/06/2025 20:56

What medication? What do your parents want to do, has anyone rung the hospital.

CruisingDuck · 11/06/2025 20:47

MissMoneyFairy · 11/06/2025 20:34

These texts are from him, staff do not tell patients that they are annoyed with relatives, he probably didn't even check in, who took him to hospital? Why does his pal need to sit with him if he's being discharged, why does he need to wait an hour, if he's discharged and didn't to be there he can leave immediately. Why can't he sit outside of in the canteen. Your parents have to keep calling the police.

Exactly what I said. I know for a fact the staff did not say that. He arrived at the hospital via ambulance. We’ve not heard from him since so clearly not being discharged in the hour he said. I also said the same thing to my dad about his pal coming to wait with him - why bother if he can go home. Apparently waiting on a doctor sorting out medication. I smell bullshit tbh…

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orangetriangle · 11/06/2025 20:41

what an awful situation your poor parents and youxx

MissMoneyFairy · 11/06/2025 20:34

These texts are from him, staff do not tell patients that they are annoyed with relatives, he probably didn't even check in, who took him to hospital? Why does his pal need to sit with him if he's being discharged, why does he need to wait an hour, if he's discharged and didn't to be there he can leave immediately. Why can't he sit outside of in the canteen. Your parents have to keep calling the police.

CruisingDuck · 11/06/2025 20:26

as suspected. Text to say he’s getting discharged in an hour and apparently the staff are annoyed he was brought there as he doesn’t need to be at the hospital, oh and that the staff are annoyed at me too! Next text, he’s in a&e waiting room…. So clearly not been seen! Then said his pal (his weed dealer) is coming to sit with him!

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thepariscrimefiles · 11/06/2025 20:24

Your parents need to refuse to have him back home due to his abusive behaviour.

MissMoneyFairy · 11/06/2025 20:22

If he is discharged and turns up at your parents they lock the doors and call the police to have him removed