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How to access care for elderly dad who lives alone and diagnosed with cancer

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Totallybannanas · 09/05/2025 09:59

He is currently in hospital due to not being able to eat or drink during to stage 4 oesophageal cancer diagnosis. He is having a stent fitted and then will be allowed home. I am worried sick, at the moment he is mobile and fairly independent, but he looks fragile after his hospital stay and seems to be deteriorating because he can't eat. The stent will hopefully help with this. I'm worried about him coming home, as he is very anxious due to regurgitating and worried about choking especially at night. I am worried about him eating the right things, managing any pain. At the minute, we only have a telephone number for oncology and cancer nurse. I have taken time off work to visit and provide emotional support, as he is afraid of being alone but I can't be with him 24 hours a day. I plan on staying a few nights in an air bed to see how he goes, but ringing anyone for help out of hours is a nightmare. He is social housing and has less then 10k in the bank.

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rookiemere · 15/05/2025 11:08

OP I don’t really have much in the way of practical advice, but what I would say is please look after yourself in all of this. I know you want to be a good DD and support your DF, but it can’t be at the cost of your job or mental health. Of course your DF wants you to support him rather than have carers or be in a home, but you will burn out quickly with what you are doing. I would try and take a step back and do those things that push for more professional intervention and funding.

DaysofHoney · 15/05/2025 03:34

I was just about to say, look at CHC funding for full time care - I’m in the process of fighting for this for dad as I believe him to be eligible. Best to get a referral from your hospital team, GP, or district nurse. Our assessment will be done by the district nurses next week.

the pathway we’ve taken looks like this:

surgeries/radiotherapy > home, supported three times a day by carer (initially council provided but stepped up to private as I’ve been able to help him financially)

Falls due to frailty (he’s lost all weight and all muscle tone) have landed him in hospital for weeks at a time, so care at home stepped up

Further falls/ deterioration led us to try two weeks at a care home to see if he’d be happy to move to one (we funded this again and were told by the care home that we needed 18 months of private funds if we wanted him to move permanantly. After that point you can apply for council funding which will cover much of the cost. The weekly fees are frightening.

If I were you I’d be contacting your district nursing team and being very firm about your situation and need for more support for your dad at home. Do you have a sympathetic GP? I don’t know what the pathway to a care home looks like through council, but I know there is funding available if you have less than £23K in savings - but best approach then know so they are aware of his needs and financial position. For us this is the adult social care team.

in the meantime, things that helped dad in the earlier days:

Pureed foods (either from a supplier or done in a nitribullet). Dad liked mash and cottage pies etc.

Fortisips to boost calories

Any pudding/ ice cream that he can manage - calories are king, don’t focus too much on nutrition.

Pill crusher for meds

Ultimately dad has been given a PEG feeding tube but we’ve tried to maintain his swallow function with the pudding treats he likes that are very smooth.

I feel for you OP I really do. My dad is just about to move home again following his respite stay at a care home and a further surgery, he has zero mobility and is non-verbal, doubly incontinent, and tube fed - it’s utterly awful but he keeps soldiering on. It’s a scary cancer as the effects are so life altering. Take all the support you can get- MacMillan etc, GP, district nurses. Be clear that he (and you) are struggling.

Take care of yourself as best you can.

PoopingAllTheWay · 14/05/2025 23:30

Look at NHS Continuing Healthcare (CHC) and see if he is entitled to it

Be prepared to fight for it but do it anyway

If that fails, you can ring a local hospice and see what they advice would be to help you

Totallybannanas · 14/05/2025 23:23

DaysofHoney · 14/05/2025 21:19

OP, goodness we are in extremely similar boats. My dad has had mouth cancer, stage 4, lives alone, social housing, now needs 24/7 care - we are further along the journey than you. I’d love to connect. Feel free to DM me if you want to chat online. It’s utterly awful - in my opinion one of the cruellest cancers (I know they all are, but H&N cancers like these leave you so very very changed), and there’s a lot to navigate. You’re not alone.

Thank you, I feel so alone and scared. I've had to stay here each night as he is so worried about choking, I'm exhausted as not sleeping and waking with every cough/noise. I have a carer coming in for 30 mins each morning starting tomorrow, but I feel so guilty. Since he came out I have slept her all night, fed him breakfast and lunch then gone home come back to do tea, then home and then back late evening. He is still mobile, independent but he is depending on me alot more as I know he is scared and terrified of this cancer. I'm wondering if he needs to be in a home or something but not sure where we stand with this or how to even access this.

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DaysofHoney · 14/05/2025 21:19

OP, goodness we are in extremely similar boats. My dad has had mouth cancer, stage 4, lives alone, social housing, now needs 24/7 care - we are further along the journey than you. I’d love to connect. Feel free to DM me if you want to chat online. It’s utterly awful - in my opinion one of the cruellest cancers (I know they all are, but H&N cancers like these leave you so very very changed), and there’s a lot to navigate. You’re not alone.

Totallybannanas · 13/05/2025 23:10

StarDolphins · 13/05/2025 22:54

With my Grandad & my Mum, I made it clear before they left hospital that they’d absolutely need help arranging before they were sent home. I made it clear what I was able to do. They both ended up going to like an inbetween/respite community care/hospital type place where they were assessed. Then carers/OT etc were arranged. Good luck op, it’s tough. Just be firm & don’t back down.

Yeah, I had to stand my ground. We have had a OT assessment at home and a hospital bed delivered, carers are due to come in but my dad hates this. I think it is a 6 week rehab program home. I am still having to stay the night as he is fearful being on his own, I've gone from daughter to carer in 24 hours I've gave him some meds, creamed his legs and tucked him in. He's now sat dozing in the chair because he can't sleep. So I guess I won't either 😥

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StarDolphins · 13/05/2025 22:54

With my Grandad & my Mum, I made it clear before they left hospital that they’d absolutely need help arranging before they were sent home. I made it clear what I was able to do. They both ended up going to like an inbetween/respite community care/hospital type place where they were assessed. Then carers/OT etc were arranged. Good luck op, it’s tough. Just be firm & don’t back down.

Totallybannanas · 13/05/2025 22:43

Thank you that's sounds a little ambit what we have been given. The only thing they don't seem to care too much about his emotional wellbeing,.I'm really struggling with this.

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DemonsandMosquitoes · 10/05/2025 15:58

Contact social services for the above. And AA fast tracked to help pay for it. Now is his rainy day. Don’t let him turn anything away he might have to pay for due to cost and the assumption that you will do it all instead. Prepare yourself too, that the situation muddling along at home may not be sustainable for very long. Even with carers in and out, it will still leave long periods where he is alone.
Ex district nurse.

Totallybannanas · 10/05/2025 15:06

He wants to go home, to be honest he needs a wife. Someone to help do the shopping cleaning, meal preps making sure he eats the right things and remembers to take his meds! He has a piper alarm, which he pays for but that's it.

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Dreichweather · 10/05/2025 11:08

What does your Dad want? Does he want to go home with carers coming to see him or would he prefer to go into a care/nursing home?

Miley23 · 09/05/2025 23:02

Totallybannanas · 09/05/2025 21:57

We haven't had a SR1 form, this was mentioned by Macmillan. His consultant said it was hard to predict. And my dad didn't want to know the time frame anyway. The nurse said we could discuss if he was entitled to financial support at the next meeting with his consultant, but it would also depend on treatment etc but when I've googled his cancer not many survive longer then 12 months.

I would just start an application for Attendance Allowance under normal rules if he has had difficulties for six months. then if you can get an SR1 form you can send that in to speed things up. I help people with AA forms as part of my job and have previously worked as a macmillan benefits advisor and whilst others may not agree, I think they award AA very easily especially with a cancer diagnosis.

saltwater1985 · 09/05/2025 22:31

Definitely get him referred to the district nursing team, they can keep him on the books for palliative reviews as needed.

Totallybannanas · 09/05/2025 21:57

toomanydicksonthedancefloor1 · 09/05/2025 21:30

If he is stage 4, terminal and has less than 12 months as his prognosis he is eligible to claim AA immediately, under the Special Rules (SR1). My FIL doesn’t have long left and his claim was assessed, approved and payments began within 3 weeks. If he hasn’t been given less than 12 months he will probably still be eligible but not under the special rules and they will start paying it in 6 months time. The MacMillan nurse completed my FILs form for him.

We haven't had a SR1 form, this was mentioned by Macmillan. His consultant said it was hard to predict. And my dad didn't want to know the time frame anyway. The nurse said we could discuss if he was entitled to financial support at the next meeting with his consultant, but it would also depend on treatment etc but when I've googled his cancer not many survive longer then 12 months.

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PermanentTemporary · 09/05/2025 21:36

Has he seen a dietitian? There is usually a specialist oncology dietitian. Try ringing the ward and seeing if you can make contact with them. They might suggest he sees a speech and language therapist as well, though problems at the oesophagal level can be a bit of a grey area for SLT.

I really feel fir you both. I wonder if he would consider Wiltshire Farm Foods delivery - the dietitian should have brochures and they are very good over the phone. There are other firms who deliver ready meals as well. Is there a Good Neighbour scheme locally, or ring Age UK for advice too?

toomanydicksonthedancefloor1 · 09/05/2025 21:30

If he is stage 4, terminal and has less than 12 months as his prognosis he is eligible to claim AA immediately, under the Special Rules (SR1). My FIL doesn’t have long left and his claim was assessed, approved and payments began within 3 weeks. If he hasn’t been given less than 12 months he will probably still be eligible but not under the special rules and they will start paying it in 6 months time. The MacMillan nurse completed my FILs form for him.

Totallybannanas · 09/05/2025 21:22

I spoke with his cancer nurse today, and the general response was that, because he's still mobile and relatively independent, he's not currently eligible for much support. Since he’s not considered to be in the very late stages, there doesn’t seem to be anything available at this point.

After this past week of him not eating or drinking, I was really worried that things were declining quickly. However, today he’s improved a bit since having the stent put in—though as we know, things can change fast.

I was hoping we could apply for something like Attendance Allowance, so that he could get a bit of paid help at home—someone to assist with cleaning, shopping, or meals when I’m not there, or even just to check in on him. It seems like there’s very little support for people in this ‘in-between’ stage. It’s honestly hard to believe that someone who’s nearly 80, has terminal cancer, and lives alone isn’t entitled to any help.

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Miley23 · 09/05/2025 21:13

If he is for palliative care then he may be referred to the community palliative care team so they can monitor symptoms.
Contact adult social care for a needs assessment.
If he does not already receive a disability benefit then apply for Attendance Allowance ( assuming he is over state pension age ), he may be able to get it fast tracked depending on prognosis. Speak to his cancer nurse specialist regarding this. It can help him to pay for whatever he needs- carer, cleaned, gardener, aids etc.
Make sure things like power of attorney are sorted.
Age Uk have a huge range of factsheets on virtually every topic.

WearyAuldWumman · 09/05/2025 21:07

hatgirl · 09/05/2025 18:04

Quite the opposite. Many areas now operate a discharge to assess (D2A) model to prevent people sitting in acute beds on hospital wards waiting for an adult social care assessment.

Instead the NHS funds an interim care package either at home (reablement or a standard domiciliary package) or in a residential or nursing home and social services catch up with them wherever they have been discharged to within 4 weeks to complete the assessments for long term care planning.

The advice to 'refuse discharge until they have seen the hospital social worker' is out of date in many areas so it's always worth checking if you are in a D2A area before asking for a hospital social worker that may no longer exist.

Thank you for this.

hatgirl · 09/05/2025 18:04

WearyAuldWumman · 09/05/2025 16:18

Bloody hell: "there's no longer a requirement to carry out a care needs assessment before you leave the hospital."

Are they trying to get out of intermediate care/re-ablement?

Given what the OP has said, I should hope that her father is entitled to intermediate care.

Quite the opposite. Many areas now operate a discharge to assess (D2A) model to prevent people sitting in acute beds on hospital wards waiting for an adult social care assessment.

Instead the NHS funds an interim care package either at home (reablement or a standard domiciliary package) or in a residential or nursing home and social services catch up with them wherever they have been discharged to within 4 weeks to complete the assessments for long term care planning.

The advice to 'refuse discharge until they have seen the hospital social worker' is out of date in many areas so it's always worth checking if you are in a D2A area before asking for a hospital social worker that may no longer exist.

thedevilinablackdress · 09/05/2025 17:30

Agree with being very clear and firm with anyone and everyone you speak to about what you will and will not be doing. No matter how hard or heartless that feels. This is the best way to get professional support for discharge.
In the area DM lives in there is a Home Assessment Team - health and social care: physio, occupational therapy, carers who assess and support on discharge. OTs saw DM in hospital and afterwards, absolute godsend.

P00hsticks · 09/05/2025 17:23

Totallybannanas · 09/05/2025 15:31

Thank you, the difficulty I'm finding is the nurses are constantly changing so hard to pin point one nurse responsible for his care. The one on shift today is especially hard to talk to 😕

I don't think it's a nurse that you need to be speaking to - they will change and there won;t be one with overall responsibility for his care all the time. There should be a separate team in the hospital dealing with what will happen to safely discharge but I can't remember what it's called.

EmotionalBlackmail · 09/05/2025 16:36

It’s discharge to assess. They should be discharged to some kind of reablement placement or care home where their needs can then be assessed and plans made.

WearyAuldWumman · 09/05/2025 16:18

ZaZathecat · 09/05/2025 15:41

Here's a useful guide from Age UK on what should happen when a person is discharged from hospital Leaving Hospital

Bloody hell: "there's no longer a requirement to carry out a care needs assessment before you leave the hospital."

Are they trying to get out of intermediate care/re-ablement?

Given what the OP has said, I should hope that her father is entitled to intermediate care.

ZaZathecat · 09/05/2025 15:41

Here's a useful guide from Age UK on what should happen when a person is discharged from hospital Leaving Hospital

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