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House smells like wee

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NotMyDayJob · 13/04/2025 07:54

My mum is a very competent and capable 71 year old however has recently had a health crisis which has brought to a head that she had not been looking after herself properly.

this is not because she is older, throughout her life she has always struggled to keep on top of housework and keeping things clean. We never had a clean house growing up, and I don’t just mean a bit untidy, I mean actually grimy. I put my head in the sand a bit that this was happening again, I have two young children and I work full time and it was easy to ignore that she was discouraging me from coming over.

anyway, I need to deal with a couple of immediate things. The house has developed a strong smell of urine, I think because she has developed some incontinence. I have removed a chair that I think was part of the problem and I’m going to get a carpet cleaner. Is there anything else I can do? Once I have got things a bit more sorted my cleaner will go over to do a deep clean and then regular cleaning (she had a cleaner but didn’t tell me she had cancelled them)

secondly what help can an older person ask for help with urinary incontinence? I don’t know who to signpost her to at the drs.

just to add as well the medical issue is that she has had a very bad stomach bug for a week and drs suspect it is food borne. We are waiting for tests but I am sure you can appreciate a week of diarrhoea has not helped issues. They have also run a urine sample to check there are no problems there but I think the incontinence issue is a bit more long standing

thanks for your help.

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rickyrickygrimes · 13/04/2025 10:14

When does the incontinence happen? Is she leaving it too late to get to the toilet? Or does she not notice it happening - maybe little leaks but often?

I’m asking because I guess different solutions might work depending on when / why it’s happening.

My mil did struggle with incontinence, but she had Parkinson’s and serious mobility problems. She couldn’t get to the toilet, she couldn’t wipe properly, she really struggled with her clothes. It didn’t really get resolved because she went into a nursing home and then was in incontinence pants.

sounds very hard OP.

lovemycbf · 13/04/2025 10:04

It’s very likely her mattress will smell too to check that out and replace with a new mattress if it’s stained and smelly and use washable mattress covers going forward
and wash her bedding on a really hot wash with laundry sanitizer which can also be used on her underwear and pads

NotMyDayJob · 13/04/2025 10:02

HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:58

are you going to keep your cleaner going in?

Yes I’ve said my cleaners will come and they will tell me if she tries to cancel them and then I will be able to make her aware of the consequences of getting rid of the cleaners if that happens

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NotMyDayJob · 13/04/2025 10:01

maymummy22 · 13/04/2025 09:58

Having someone regularly clean, windows open etc plus using waterproof mattress cover (changed regularly) and tena pads/knickers will help.
But the pp who said about her right to live as she wishes I don’t think was being unkind, but realistic. My MIL sounds similar to your DM - has never been, as you put it ‘fastidious’. DH and I have spent many years trying to help the situation but there does come a point when you can’t make someone live as you think they should - unless it’s a serious safety hazard.
It sounds as if your mum might be willing to make small changes and accept help so you’re not at that stage yet but longer term bear in mind you can’t always ‘fix’ everything and that’s not your fault

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I do get that, but she doesn’t want to live like this she just doesn’t know how to make it better.

im not expecting her to live in a show home just get her to a state of being more sanitary so she can still see her DGC because I know how much that means to her but I’ve been clear once we’ve done all this I’m not doing it again

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MissMoneyFairy · 13/04/2025 09:59

Like ppl say the urine will have soaked in to furnishing so deep clean all carpets, sofa, chairs and floors, get a new mattress and pillows and waterproof protectors, new slippers, wash all clothes she wears, wipe down all surfaces, marks do a lovely jasmine floor wipe, open the windows, buy scented waste bin bags. The pink neutrodol blocks are quite strong but effective in the lounge, toilet and bathroom.

HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:58

are you going to keep your cleaner going in?

maymummy22 · 13/04/2025 09:58

Having someone regularly clean, windows open etc plus using waterproof mattress cover (changed regularly) and tena pads/knickers will help.
But the pp who said about her right to live as she wishes I don’t think was being unkind, but realistic. My MIL sounds similar to your DM - has never been, as you put it ‘fastidious’. DH and I have spent many years trying to help the situation but there does come a point when you can’t make someone live as you think they should - unless it’s a serious safety hazard.
It sounds as if your mum might be willing to make small changes and accept help so you’re not at that stage yet but longer term bear in mind you can’t always ‘fix’ everything and that’s not your fault

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NotMyDayJob · 13/04/2025 09:57

BunnyRuddington · 13/04/2025 09:48

I do agree with this. As distressing as it is for you if she has capacity you can tell her the house stinks and suggest she sees the GP and ask to be referred to the incontinence team, you could even email her GP with your concerns but you can’t change her choices or how she reacts to situations.

Its good of you to help to clean up but it does seem like a never ending task if she’s genuinely not bothered.

Did you say that you’d had therapy in the past?

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I’m not sure if I’ve not been clear.

my mum had a history of not dealing with things, not this particular situation, different things. Generally if she is given support, she sort of learns what to do. We’ve never had to deal with this particular situation before but I know the cycle of getting overwhelmed not dealing with something and letting it get worse, I don’t really want to go into the previous situations as they unrelated and they won’t help.

all I’m trying to do is help her get back on her feet and get her back to a good ‘base’ she was fine while she had her old cleaner but they started to mess her around (which I do believe) the mistake was she thought she’d be ok without a cleaner (she’s not)

I’ve been clear if this happens again she is on her own, but at the moment she is still very ill so I have to go and help her otherwise I’m leaving her in a pile of her own diarrhea and obviously I’m not going to do that.

when it comes to getting the help from drs etc I will leave her to do that, but if I can suggest what she does it just breaks down one barrier to access, but I’m not going to be doing it for her

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HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:51

but her life might be a never ending smell of wee so this is a good distraction in the meantime

BunnyRuddington · 13/04/2025 09:50

HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:49

also many women have continence issues, as noticed by the amount of continents products on t he shelves in the supermarket.
i would go with fresh flowers/air freshener

Fresh flowers or air fresheners aren’t going to get rid of the smell of wee though? The air fresheners will just add to the stink.

HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:50

can she shower easily?

HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:49

also many women have continence issues, as noticed by the amount of continents products on t he shelves in the supermarket.
i would go with fresh flowers/air freshener

MsCrawford · 13/04/2025 09:49

Agree with people up thread- urine needs an enzyme cleaner to break it down. Often ones marketed for animal urine are easier to get. Depending on area, it’s via the GP, or some areas you can self refer to the continence team, healthy bowel and bladder etc. for them to assess what could help. There are some great mattress protectors, which don’t rustle on the bed. Some people put protectors (like an kylie) onto the seat cushion of chairs- you can cover this with a small throw to protect the actual chair? And to be discreet not to show visitors there are protectors down.
If you have lots of continence waste most areas have a separate bag collection through the council- pads take up lots of bin space. If you are buying pads- check the prices on Amazon etc as they are far cheaper than specialist shops. When tracking down smells, make sure your mum is managing personal care ok, and wash things like slippers frequently. Hopefully your mum will feel a lot better when she is fresh and clean and managing this better, incontinence is such a common problem, but isn’t something people talk about, and can feel very isolating.

BunnyRuddington · 13/04/2025 09:48

Seriestwo · 13/04/2025 09:39

If she had capacity then she had the right to live in a smelly house, I’m afraid. You sound upset about the house but I don’t see anything in your posts that makes me think your mum is distressed by it? Does she mind or care?

I do agree with this. As distressing as it is for you if she has capacity you can tell her the house stinks and suggest she sees the GP and ask to be referred to the incontinence team, you could even email her GP with your concerns but you can’t change her choices or how she reacts to situations.

Its good of you to help to clean up but it does seem like a never ending task if she’s genuinely not bothered.

Did you say that you’d had therapy in the past?

NotMyDayJob · 13/04/2025 09:47

HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:41

how is her mobility
a problem with some elderly is they cannot make it in time to the loo.

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Her mobility is fine, the only problem is she doesn’t have a downstairs toilet, but that’s more future proofing than an issue now

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HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:47

olderbutwiser · 13/04/2025 09:45

She’s 71, competent and capable. Not elderly by any stretch.

ok some people have mobility problems

HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:46

fresh daffodils? they mask the smell

NotMyDayJob · 13/04/2025 09:46

Seriestwo · 13/04/2025 09:39

If she had capacity then she had the right to live in a smelly house, I’m afraid. You sound upset about the house but I don’t see anything in your posts that makes me think your mum is distressed by it? Does she mind or care?

Well yes she does, but she also wants to see and spend time with her DGC and they’re not going to her house when it’s like that.

she’s not sat there saying I live in a smelly house and I don’t care. She needs help and I’m trying to help her, she can both have capacity and not be able to help herself.

im not really sure how this helps, but thanks for stopping by

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olderbutwiser · 13/04/2025 09:45

HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:41

how is her mobility
a problem with some elderly is they cannot make it in time to the loo.

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She’s 71, competent and capable. Not elderly by any stretch.

HelenWheels · 13/04/2025 09:41

how is her mobility
a problem with some elderly is they cannot make it in time to the loo.

Seriestwo · 13/04/2025 09:39

If she had capacity then she had the right to live in a smelly house, I’m afraid. You sound upset about the house but I don’t see anything in your posts that makes me think your mum is distressed by it? Does she mind or care?

BunnyRuddington · 13/04/2025 09:38

Agree it might be her clothes too. We had this recently with a DA and it turned out the the carers were helpfully doing her washing but only putting the wee ridden bedding and clothes on a 15 minute cycle and then having the stuff on the airer. The whole house honked.

NotMyDayJob · 13/04/2025 09:34

Cadenza12 · 13/04/2025 09:32

It's possibly her clothes if she's not changing daily. She can't smell it, so you will need to be blunt and tell her like it is. GP is the starting point, or nurse practitioner who will be clued up.

Actually the one thing she is good at doing is her washing, so I don’t think it is her clothes, which would actually be easier to deal with.

we have had a difficult conversation but I don’t know how much she’s taken in because she’s been so ill

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NotMyDayJob · 13/04/2025 09:33

Newmum738 · 13/04/2025 09:28

Standard I would say! You are certainly not alone in dealing with this. Neutradol, urine/continence clinic and pads. Are there any underlying conditions? Could she have dementia for example?

No, she’s absolutely fine cognitively, as I have mentioned (quite a few times) she’s just not great at dealing with things. If I were to hazard a guess there’s probably an undiagnosed neurodiversity, because her lifelong avoidance of certain things and level of sensitivity are off the scale, but at 71 I can’t be dealing with that I can only support what is in front of me

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Cadenza12 · 13/04/2025 09:32

It's possibly her clothes if she's not changing daily. She can't smell it, so you will need to be blunt and tell her like it is. GP is the starting point, or nurse practitioner who will be clued up.