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Parkinsons and LBD - through the night care

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BlueRaspberry7 · 19/03/2025 12:44

Hi all.

Does anyone here do overnight stays with a parent with PD and Lewy Body Dementia?

My SM has asked if I can stay with DF at their home for a couple of nights when she goes away later this year. He has previously gone into respite residential care when she has gone away.

This feels outside of my comfort zone, as he tends to stumble and fell out of bed just this week. I'm not sure how well I'd cope with that. His condition is up and down but the dementia seems to be progressing at the moment and we don't know how it will be by October.

Do you think it's fair enough to relay that I am happy to come and be with DF for the day, but not to stay for two nights? Or am I overthinking it, and it would probably be ok and manageable?

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Davros · 21/03/2025 23:22

Does he not have a falls alarm? Our local one has different levels, the best one will send people to lift someone off the floor, not just call a relative to let them know. Does he wear pads at night because he would need to? Who would get him ready for bed, including putting pads on? LBD could mean disturbed sleep, acting out during sleep, shouting etc. personally I don’t think you should do it, especially as he has gone to respite before.

Edinlassy · 21/03/2025 12:04

To add my dad went from being wobbly mobile to a wheelchair and hoist lifting in 3 months. It happened so fast so don’t commit to anything so far away

Edinlassy · 21/03/2025 12:03

You poor love I have been in this exact position. My father has Parkinson’s and lbd. It’s so scary as you love them so much and just want the best care for them.
i had to do the exact same when my mum was admitted to hospital. I was used to caring for dad in the day but the second I popped to the toilet he got up and fell into a wall that was being renovated and put his head through plasterboard. I felt so so guilty as if it was my fault.
There is a reason carers work in pairs. So it’s safer to lift. There is a high chance your dad will fall with the Parkinson’s I honestly feel respite would be the kindest option for all of you. October is a long way away and he could decline a lot in that time. Sending you hugs it’s not easy x

SockFluffInTheBath · 20/03/2025 13:05

BlueRaspberry7 · 19/03/2025 21:44

@WhatFreshHellisThese I’ve chosen not to engage with that @minnienono judgemental comment. This is a really painful and difficult time for my dad, step mum, and myself as his condition steadily worsens and we try and figure out a plan - and I’m not entertaining insensitive comments.

The first thought of those of us with a pair of elderly parents was ‘why no carers? SM is probably telling everyone they’re fine and don’t need help.’

If you do go it might be a good time to get adult social services round OP. That’s not me saying I think you should go btw, if respite could be found that would be better.

WearyAuldWumman · 20/03/2025 12:38

A carer advised me to buy a baby alarm and to set it up in my mum's room so that I could go to my own room but still be aware of what was happening in mum's room.

Mind you, I'd sometimes be woken up at 3 in the morning by "Daaaarling! Where aaaaare you?"

WearyAuldWumman · 20/03/2025 12:37

BlueRaspberry7 · 20/03/2025 09:46

@Saraclarano, it wasn’t a given as we also have children, pets, live a 2 hour drive away, and both work full time. There are several moving parts to consider.

Can you please share your experiences of caring for a parent overnight with Parkinson’s and Lewy Body Dementia? Do you have any practical advice to share?

In my mum's case, it was mixed dementia plus severe osteoporosis. DH had hemiparesis following stroke.

We did have a community alarm with a link to the local fall time, but they couldn't always come out and wouldn't lift if there was an injury (understandably). When that happened, it had to be an ambulance.

An ambulance didn't always mean admission to hospital.

BlueRaspberry7 · 20/03/2025 09:57

@PermanentTemporary thanks - yes that was the stipulation in place when my stepsister stayed the night with him recently. He didn't fall on that occasion but he did wander off out the building and took her a while to find him.

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Viviennemary · 20/03/2025 09:48

BlueRaspberry7 · 19/03/2025 13:50

@Hoppinggreen @HoraceGoesBonkers thank you. I'm now considering going with my DH who is physically strong and has some support work experience, so could help with any potential stumbles or night falls.

That seems to be the best option.

BlueRaspberry7 · 20/03/2025 09:46

@Saraclarano, it wasn’t a given as we also have children, pets, live a 2 hour drive away, and both work full time. There are several moving parts to consider.

Can you please share your experiences of caring for a parent overnight with Parkinson’s and Lewy Body Dementia? Do you have any practical advice to share?

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PermanentTemporary · 20/03/2025 07:32

If you have to do it, make it clear that you will call an ambulance if he falls and can't get up.

WearyAuldWumman · 20/03/2025 00:03

Holesintheground · 19/03/2025 21:34

If he's previously gone into respite care when she's away for a few days, why is that not happening this time? Is step mum worried that it will show up his decline? Does she want to get across to you just how difficult the regular care is now?

I would be concerned at the risk of you not being able to get him up again if he fell.

It might be that respite care is not available.

I organised (so I thought) respite care for my mother when I was having a planned operation on my shoulder. We had carers coming in through the day for mum, and I was also my husband's carer - he didn't have carers. (He was compos mentis, however.)

At the last minute, social work told me that there was no availability - someone else needed emergency respite.

I just had to suck it up and hope that I'd manage. (I have no siblings and no children of my own. DH had an adult son and daughter, but there was never any respite help for their father available from them.)

saraclara · 20/03/2025 00:01

It's there a reason that he can't go into respite this time? Is it availability? Money?

saraclara · 19/03/2025 23:57

BlueRaspberry7 · 19/03/2025 22:29

Having DH there makes it feel much more manageable. For emotional support too on the journey home.

I'm surprised it wasn't a given at the start. Would your DH really ever have stayed home and left you to deal with your dad alone?

Your mum needs a break badly, I imagine. It's the least you can both do.

ETA that your mum will need to accept that things might be different in six months time, though. Say you'll do it if he's in a similar condition to the one he's in now. But she needs to consider a back up plan in case his condition changes.

Candleabra · 19/03/2025 23:12

I wouldn’t. October is a long time away. Easy to get drawn into caring and doing more than you should. I think respite care is more appropriate.
And your DF probably needs an assessment of current care as it sounds like your SM is only just managing.

BishyBarnyBee · 19/03/2025 22:44

Please don't say yes. If he's been in respite before, he should go again. If SM is getting to the end of her tether, the family should be exploring permanent care. It's an awful thing to go through and SM is probably acting heroically against all the odds, but when our parents insist they can manage when they can't, it's very normal for us to have to pick up the pieces.

None of it is easy - finding care isn't easy, funding it isn't easy, getting the person and their carer to accept it isn't easy. But as the adult children, we have to decide what we have capacity to do without taking over our whole lives and set our own clear boundaries or our lives will be utter misery. I have had some horrendously difficult conversations with my parents and in laws but it has enabled me to actually give a lot of support because I was able to tackle the worst of the denial and resistance. Use this forum - and particularly the Cockroach Cafe - to help you work out what is reasonable for you to offer and then stick to it..

BlueRaspberry7 · 19/03/2025 22:29

Having DH there makes it feel much more manageable. For emotional support too on the journey home.

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TheLurpackYears · 19/03/2025 21:56

Maybe possible if your dh is there too. It will probably be chaos, especially if he isn't continent. I wouldn't expect much sleep.

BlueRaspberry7 · 19/03/2025 21:52

@WhatFreshHellisThesethanks for that, I appreciate it. A bit of kindness means a lot when you’re going through an awful time Flowers

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WhatFreshHellisThese · 19/03/2025 21:47

@BlueRaspberry7 totally understand, l thought that might be your strategy. I couldn't help biting back as l thought they were judgemental, obnoxious and generally out of order

Good luck with it, thinking of you all

BlueRaspberry7 · 19/03/2025 21:44

@WhatFreshHellisThese I’ve chosen not to engage with that @minnienono judgemental comment. This is a really painful and difficult time for my dad, step mum, and myself as his condition steadily worsens and we try and figure out a plan - and I’m not entertaining insensitive comments.

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BlueRaspberry7 · 19/03/2025 21:41

@HolesinthegroundIt’s quite hard to get short term live-in respite care. I am calling around and visiting homes in my area to see if that’s an option. they live nearly 90 miles away from me so I’ve suggested him staying closer, where I can visit him daily while knowing he’ll be safe.

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Soontobe60 · 19/03/2025 21:36

minnienono · 19/03/2025 13:21

She’s there all the time, it’s just 2 days! Outside your comfort zone, what about her???

No one should be guilt tripped into caring for a seriously ill parent.

Holesintheground · 19/03/2025 21:34

If he's previously gone into respite care when she's away for a few days, why is that not happening this time? Is step mum worried that it will show up his decline? Does she want to get across to you just how difficult the regular care is now?

I would be concerned at the risk of you not being able to get him up again if he fell.

WhatFreshHellisThese · 19/03/2025 21:29

minnienono · 19/03/2025 13:21

She’s there all the time, it’s just 2 days! Outside your comfort zone, what about her???

I doubt OP "makes" her step mother, just because step mother does it then it doesn't mean OP has to. Plus l would imagine SM doesn't have to get up for work / small children and OP might

PermanentTemporary · 19/03/2025 21:19

Sorry I would suggest respite care (and offer to help find it) and would hope that it would just continue. I agree that it's pretty extreme that she is doing this bit I don't think you should have to.