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Need carers who can lift

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HermioneWeasley · 17/03/2025 12:16

My dad falls regularly and I thought that if they had careers coming in a few times a day then at least he wouldn’t be waiting 4+ hours for a paramedics each time. My mum would also feel more confident about him getting up to do his exercises if someone was around who could lift him if his legs give out. She’s spoken to 3 different agencies and they all say their carers aren’t allowed to lift.

surely there must be carers who lift people? What about people who are immobile? It can’t just be a case that only paramedics can do this?

can anyone help?

thanks

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Gingernaut · 23/03/2025 20:40

Inflatable lifting devices, like the ones the paramedics carry are £££££, with the added bonus that only someone trained and certified to use it can operate it

www.essentialaids.com/household/mangar-lifting-cushions/elk-emergency-lifting-cushion.html

Screwyoukeithyoutwat · 23/03/2025 20:35

I am part of an Urgent Community team that lifts patients off the floor after falling. As PP have said they are lifted with specialist equipment that you need training for. There are other considerations too prior to moving them - are they on blood thinners? Any obvious injuries? Any pain? It is not as simple as they fall and you lift as you could do more harm. I highly doubt a carer would be willing to use the equipment.

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 23/03/2025 20:25

doodahdayy · 23/03/2025 18:53

If he keeps falling unfortunately a care home is the only option.

I'm an older people's social worker. It really isn't.

doodahdayy · 23/03/2025 18:53

If he keeps falling unfortunately a care home is the only option.

brombatz · 23/03/2025 18:51

We lifted my Mil yesterday (been told we can by OT) and it's really difficult. I'm pretty highly trained in first aid too, so did an assessment prior to picking her up.

My DM has a lifting cushion, way better idea!

Munchyseeds2 · 19/03/2025 21:44

I wouldn't rush out and purchase any equipment privately, we are only able to use equipment recommended/supplied by an OT.

We would not be able to get anyone up off the floor if we walked in and found them there. We have no choice but to call 999.

My company does have a raizer chair that can be used after a witnessed fall, where the client has capacity and can tell us what happened and that they are unhurt

HoraceGoesBonkers · 17/03/2025 21:04

A very long time ago I was 20 and working in a care home as a care assisstant with no training, and had to lift a resident from a wheelchair to an armchair by myself. My back - it's difficult to describe - sort of pinged when I was doing this, it was very painful, I swore and jerked which was distressing for the resident, and it was risky because I could have injured them.

I think things have moved on a lot from then - even at the time two trained carers used hoists for more complex lifts.

My DF was under a council falls team for a while and they were great, although stressed that there were a small number of staff covering quite a big geographical area.

Reducing things he could fall over would have been helpful but my parents were very reluctant to adapt the house.

Care homes will have trained staff on site who can get residents back on their feet safely.

HermioneWeasley · 17/03/2025 18:03

Thanks to you all for your input. Lots of helpful suggestions

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Disturbia81 · 17/03/2025 17:50

My mum and sister ended up with bad arthritis at early ages due to lifting in their care jobs so I’m glad it’s not allowed now.

EmeraldRoulette · 17/03/2025 16:52

@HermioneWeasley "This is what seems so odd - what is special about the ambulance service that you can lift but carers can’t?"

training and equipment.

we don't have the falls service mentioned in our area. If either of my folks had fallen frequently, it would have meant care home.

oakl79 · 17/03/2025 16:46

You won't find a carer who can lift in this day and age!

businessflop25 · 17/03/2025 16:34

Paramedics are trained to assess injuries carers are not. Paramedics also have a range of equipment to assist them - again carers don not. Paramedics also call in additional paramedics to assist in difficult extractions.
No carer should ever attempt to lift a patient off the floor. The risk of injury to themselves and the patient is huge.
Your dad needs assessed by the fall team and fall prevention measures put in place.

there are inflatable chairs / lifting devices that you can purchase to assist lifting someone from the ground up to a sitting position but again someone needs to be trained to safely use it and they must be confident that the person who has fallen is uninjured before attempting to use the lift.

AnSolas · 17/03/2025 16:12

HermioneWeasley · 17/03/2025 12:16

My dad falls regularly and I thought that if they had careers coming in a few times a day then at least he wouldn’t be waiting 4+ hours for a paramedics each time. My mum would also feel more confident about him getting up to do his exercises if someone was around who could lift him if his legs give out. She’s spoken to 3 different agencies and they all say their carers aren’t allowed to lift.

surely there must be carers who lift people? What about people who are immobile? It can’t just be a case that only paramedics can do this?

can anyone help?

thanks

@HermioneWeasley you need to arrange a hoist similar to the video
And the staff who come in need to be trained to use it. They still may not lift id they fear he has damaged something in the fall. In that case an ambulance or other medic who can sign off on the lift will be needed.

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One of these and the sling which has to be weight specific can help DF stay at home for longer as he can be safely moved from any bed / chair to a chair/ bed.
Toilet access is depending on being able to move the" feet" into the correct position.

Even with this there will be a 2 carer provisioning requirement. Although one person can work safely solo IF your DF can co-operate and roll in the space needed to positon the sling.

ArtyFartyHippopotamus · 17/03/2025 15:51

I’m sorry to hear that your Dad is having falls. I started nursing in 1974. We didn’t have the lifting equipment that is available now. Inflatable lifting cushions are a game changer for carefully getting people off the floor safely. The paramedics have access to these. I was of the generation that had to manually lift patients. I have suffered with spinal problems and undergone surgery and this I fully attribute to manually lifting patients. You won’t find carers who will be able to manually lift these days. I wish you and your Dad well and hope a solution can be found to help him.

olderbutwiser · 17/03/2025 15:33

It's a phase so many go through, you have my sympathy, FIL was on the floor every other day, it was only luck that prevented MIL doing her hip being pulled over helping him up.

I assume he's been taught/can't get onto his knees and crawl to a chair/stairs? Loads of YouTube videos available, and worth a look.

There are some community teams who can get uninjured patients off the floor but it's patchy and there are a variety of routes in.

Ask your DF Careline if they do have one; also ask your GP if your local urgent community care team lift uninjured patients. In our area the ambulance service also have volunteers who can come out faster and lift.

I'm not wild about the Elk for a solo helper if the helper is a bit frail, but you could have a look at Raizer chairs which are fine to use solo.

helpfulperson · 17/03/2025 15:22

Talk to your local adult services about what is available locally. As others have said some places have teams whose role is to attend elderly people who are uninjured but on the floor. They should also be able to arrange an OT who can assess and advise on techniques to help him get up independently or with the help of inflatable cushions if that is appropriate. Falls clinics are another option to look at what can be done.

It doesn't sound like there is any need for a carehome yet, especially as often falls risk residents just end up in wheelchairs.

Soontobe60 · 17/03/2025 14:48

HermioneWeasley · 17/03/2025 12:27

This is what seems so odd - what is special about the ambulance service that you can lift but carers can’t?

I understand there might need to be a hoist, I don’t know if my mum has asked about that. Also that it might need to be 2 of them to do it safely - happy to pay for that. But I’m boggled that the only option is to put strain on the NHS.

he’s had a series of strokes and sometimes his left leg just gives out and he doesn’t have the strength in his legs to get up by himself any more.

The difference is that a paramedic is medically trained and able to assess whether the fall was accidental, due to stroke or other episode and whether the patient has been injured as a result. Carers are not.

olympicsrock · 17/03/2025 14:14

Not going to happen I’m afraid. Carers aren’t training to use lifting equipment and they are not allowed to lift for safety reasons

MoserRothOrangeandAlmond · 17/03/2025 14:13

Also if he hasn’t had any investigations for falls he needs a full assessment

MoserRothOrangeandAlmond · 17/03/2025 14:12

Paramedics in my area don’t lift either! They have special equipment to lift. I work as a community nurse. A lot of our patients are connected to ‘care call’ where they pay a monthly fee. Have a pendant alarm and press this if they fall and aren’t injured. It is attached to the local council.
can you look into you area? It may have a similar one.

Carers will not lift a person from the floor! It hurts themselves and can hurt your dad. No one should be drag lifted up! It can cause shoulder dislocations etc

Darkclothes · 17/03/2025 13:57

Why is he falling? Dizziness, tired, tripping on rugs/slippers?
I agree with the suggestions of adult social services, referral to the falls clinic and OT/physio assessment.

As others have also said, the older hoists used in care homes and hospitals are on wheels, but require a very large floor space to splay the legs to use them correctly and not topple over. There are also ceiling hoist systems, but the roof joist would need to be assessed. I've seen them in a single room, but also tracked through the house so can be used in halls, bathroom, dining area etc. There are also the inflatable chair things.
https://enableliving.com/freeway-transactive-xtra-ceiling-hoist?language=en&currency=GBP&srsltid=AfmBOorKbQBXaa1JIEz6EdihplIi27Y9F3WAQfSVMORNXJ2eE0JIYWotObk&gQT=1

These may not be the best options for him, but that is what an assessment would work out.

greentree16 · 17/03/2025 13:54

My mom has carers at home who support her as she has become pretty much bedbound. It is possible given the right adaptations in the home and she has carers to support her daily needs.

You will need social services involved to do an occupational therapist assessment. They will look at the home and suggest where adaptations may help i.e handrails on the loo, a sara steady perhaps to get him out of bed, walking frames etc.

The carers my mom have are brilliant and whilst they would be unable to lift her, the care they provide is incredible and she’s well supported in her own home.

It can take a little while to get the right adaptations in place but occupational therapists will ensure your dad gets the support he needs to avoid falls rather than dealing with the consequences of falling in the future x

OnlyYellowRoses · 17/03/2025 13:31

I’d look at contacting local social services, they regularly work alongside OTs who can do a moving and handling assessment.
look at putting in a falls alarm system, if his weight bearing ability is compromised, depending on how strong his grip is, they would look at putting in a stand aid, Sara Stedy or hoist.
please ignore all the comments re care homes, lots of people continue to thrive in their own homes with lifting equipment installed but usually this needs 2 x carers to support safely, unless it’s a fitted ceiling hoist when you only need one.
Also speak to your GP about being referred to a falls assessment clinic, usually run either by local physios or community rehab team in our area, they will check for medication affects, if physio is needed, the home environment and for other factors that may impact his ability to weight bear.

bestbefore · 17/03/2025 13:24

Can you dad get up by himself at all? My dad can given time and often uses a sturdy chair to pull himself up. He also had a pendant alarm and they sometimes send the Early Intervention team (rather than full ambulance) who are able to lift him - once they have checked him over. It's very hard for all concerned.