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Spendysis · 24/01/2025 18:59

Does anyone have any experience of office of public guardians investigations.

I have mentioned my situation on here plenty of times on various threads

I reported my dsis for financially abusing dm over a year ago and it has finally been assigned to an opg investigator who advised me I wouldn't get any updates or hear from them unless they need more information.

I have just had a call from an independent doctor who opg have instructed to visit dm to assess her capacity and if she is vulnerable being influenced etc.

Will opg inform me if any action has been taken like if they remove dsis as poa? If they do who does poa go to can dm choose or is it chosen for her. Will I be informed when they close the investigation?

Social services visited dm previously and reported it to the police who then closed the case unless opg come up with something will opg notify them directly if they do find something? I think ss have opened their case again but I've not heard anything other than a generic email

Just wondering if anyone has any experience of any of this so I know what to expect

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Spendysis · 29/01/2025 23:10

Just received an email from dm friends from the other side of the world dm lived there when she first got married and has always kept in touch they have received a letter yesterday from my dsis saying dm is not well asking for mine and dsis phone number dm sent them a Christmas present and they would like to thank her over phone if she's up to it. They used my email address many years ago when they visited the uk

Well it's news to me dm is unwell i presume we arent talking about a sniffle or dodgy tum and I live 5 minutes walk away from both dm and dsis. Not sure how to respond to them or to forward it straight to dsis email so she can reply I can't pass the phone to dm as I don't know where she is or what is wrong with her or how unwell she is

I know dm is in heart failure has been for years but was still plodding on living at home

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Mosaic123 · 29/01/2025 00:07

I don't think you are being dramatic. This is a highly stressful situation and you don't know what's going on.

I hope things become clearer soon.

Spendysis · 28/01/2025 23:14

@MissMoneyFairy the doctor only contacted me once to say he was going round and had tried call her but got no answer i confirmed to use the landline as she no longer has a mobile
I didn't hear anything to today so presume he saw her doubt i will hear anything he will just report back to opg

I was being dramatic last night perimenopause insomnia anxiety and going through this for the last few years is difficult and I tend to find I go over everything in my head at night when I can't sleep

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MissMoneyFairy · 28/01/2025 11:44

Is the doctor in contact with you directly, if there's no reply from her phone he will go to the address you've given them, if she's not there or there's no reply I'd have thought they try and track her down, maybe through her GP, if she's in a xarehome it would show up on her bank statements, if she's moved in with your sister they will look there. Not being able to find her will raise a massive concern, what type of poa does your sister have,

Spendysis · 27/01/2025 23:11

I am overthinking the dr going round tomorrow will dsis have prepped dm what to say if she knows about it? The dr said he had tried calling her but got no answer she doesn't go out in the week when dsis is working I don't even know if she is still living at home i presume she is as we all periodically drive past and curtains open and close but sadly i probably wouldn't be told if she was in hospital or was living with dsis. This is something that causes me anxiety not being told she is in hospital and not able to say goodbye when she's at the end of her life like we did with dmil or not being told she has passed away

I don't know what I have done to my dsis to make her treat me and my dc like this I've have lent her money I have never questioned when dm has lent her money that was never paid back never asked for my share and when it came to light she was stealing never accused her of that but warned she may get into trouble never asked for the tens of thousands she's already had come off the inheritance. It took me months to raise my concerns with the opg as I really didn't want to lose my relationship with her or get her in to trouble and certainly didn't want to lose the relationship with dm

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MissMoneyFairy · 26/01/2025 10:56

Mum will only be spoken to by the doctor atm to assess her capacity, it may be difficult to assess whether she had capacity at the time you were removed and she changed her will. It might be that she has capacity and is happy to give money to your sister, you'll have to wait for the investligation. If your sister has been stealing and abusing mum then she will have to face the consequences and maybe the court of protection will take over.

Spendysis · 25/01/2025 23:01

I have done nothing wrong never had a penny from dm never when she has loaned dsis money in the past asked where is mine

Yet I seem to be the only one suffering to have lost out I have lost my family family friends and not that I relied on in my half of inheritance

It is a good thing opg are investigating things finally and dsis deserves everything she gets she has caused all this but dm doesn't deserve this at 84 being interviewed by ss police and now opg doctor i feel awful have felt sick all day as I reported it to opg no idea what i have done to dsis either to make her treat me and my dsis like this

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Spendysis · 25/01/2025 20:43

@SquishyGloopyBum thank you I remember you from my previous thread I can't believe this is still going on hopefully opg finally do something

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SquishyGloopyBum · 25/01/2025 18:44

I remember your other thread op.

Hang tight. It's good the OPG are investigating now.

Spendysis · 25/01/2025 18:43

I don't know who has witnessed the new poa the original one we did with dm neighbour as a witness I just got a letter in the post saying I had been removed as poa. There is no way dm instigated this she couldn't be bothered digging out the paperwork has no access to google to get the phone number for opg etc
I presume once I had been removed dsis registered it with dm bank. Dsis wouldn't of wanted me as poa as I would of been able to see what she was doing with dm money as I think whenever there is a transaction it alerts all poa i know it does with some banks anyway

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MissMoneyFairy · 25/01/2025 18:22

Finance poa can be used as soon as it's registered but mum would have needed to tick that box, the investigation will look at that and also see who were the witnesses and certificate provider.

Spendysis · 25/01/2025 18:19

Financial poa can be used at anytime health I think has to be agreed that the person no longer has capacity. The poa has been registered with dm bank as far as I am aware

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MaggieFS · 25/01/2025 18:17

How has a POA been used if she still has capacity? I thought they could only be used once incapacitated?

Spendysis · 25/01/2025 18:13

Dm didn't need a mortgage and won't have seen a penny of the money or have benefited at all from it dsis had obviously used up dm money but wanted more dm told me dsis needed it for home improvements and holidays

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ByQuaintAzureWasp · 25/01/2025 18:06

MissMoneyFairy · 25/01/2025 17:51

I don't understand how she was able to remortgage the house, have you still got a copy of the poa. If it was paid off 45years ago why did it need remortgaging

Equity release

Spendysis · 25/01/2025 17:57

No I don't have a copy of poa. I don't know how she has managed to take out an equity release mortgage I knew she wanted to but I refused then she went nc with me. I saw the paperwork for the first attempt for the mortgage and contacted them to advise opg investigation going on and they stopped all contact with dsis. They told me dsis texted them pretending to be dm then admitted it was her and that she wanted the funds to tide her over. She has then done it through another company I got a notice from the land registry. She will have talked dm into it i presume

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MissMoneyFairy · 25/01/2025 17:51

I don't understand how she was able to remortgage the house, have you still got a copy of the poa. If it was paid off 45years ago why did it need remortgaging

Spendysis · 25/01/2025 17:47

Social services and the police closed the case as they said she had capacity but will see what the independent doctor says he is checking for capacity and If she is vulnerable being influenced manipulated etc which is what i believe dsis is doing as she's done it with me many times over the years to convince me to lend her money plus she has now isolated dm who is house bound and only has dsis

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Tulipvase · 25/01/2025 17:40

I think what happens next with the POA will depend on whether your mum is found to have capacity. If she doesn’t have capacity then I think someone (you?) needs to apply for deputyship from the courts.

I wonder if the mortgage company did their due diligence with regards to the re-mortgage?

Spendysis · 25/01/2025 17:32

Sorry i didn't word that well i know they can involve the police I mean with regards to getting the money back and paying off the mortgage she's taken out on dm house. It makes me sad as dm has worked hard all her life been frugal paid her mortgage off 45 years ago when she was widowed and left with 2 young children using a property ddad had inherited and now at 84 all of her savings have gone and a mortgage on her house because of dsis

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MissMoneyFairy · 25/01/2025 17:20

They can involve the police, remover her as poa and dm can make s new will if she has capacity.

Spendysis · 25/01/2025 17:12

Other than remove her as poa I am not sure what opg can do it's not like she can pay the money back anyway as she will have spent it and she's up to her eyes in debt and I doubt they can change dm will back but I want the truth out there she has turned family and friends even dm against me and dc with her lies i have no idea what she has been saying though as nobody has ever asked for my side of the story

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Spendysis · 25/01/2025 17:02

@Musicaltheatremum dsis knows she should be doing this she used to be a care home manager and she has advised friends about poa before and was very judgmental when a friend bought a £15 top for herself as a birthday present from her brother who she had poa for.

I guess she thinks either the rules don't apply to her or that she wouldn't get found out maybe she will get away with it we will see how the investigation goes.

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Musicaltheatremum · 25/01/2025 13:46

How awful
I've just started using the poa on my dad's account and have a spreadsheet of every transaction
My husband has 4 years of spreadsheets as he does all his dad's banking

Spendysis · 24/01/2025 23:56

I never thought I would be in this situation I am heartbroken by what dsis has done to me and my family yet I hate the thought of dsis getting in trouble but surely she can't get away with what she has been doing to dm

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