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Help please not sure what to do with my parents,

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mummy3456 · 04/01/2025 04:47

Hi, My parents lived very successfully on their own until this year ( 88yo and 89yo). Since then they have been in and out of hospital 8 times between them ( since April 2024)
My sibling and I sorted them a lovely care home that we could each visit within 10 minutes drive. After 2 months when my sibing was there they said they hated it and were going to leave. Signed themselves out, sibling bought some groceries and left them in their own home, Texted me to say what was done!
2 weeks later ( and after many visits) I get a call from the neighbour that he'd had to call an ambulance for my mum. Dad couldn't work out how to use the phone but made it down the stairs and across to the neighbours ( he can barely walk - would have taken at least half an hour).

Months before this it was Dad who was sick and the hospital would not discharge to anything but a nursing home.
Mums hospital said the same.
My sibling took them home for the 1 week until the room that they had at the previous nursing home was ready. Got told 3 weeks was as long as they would hold the room.
Well she let it go, so that's gone.
They are living with her but the 24/7 care is not being met as she works 3 days a week. I take them to my place 2 a week for lunch but mum is suddenly terrified of our dogs, and if we put them out they bark.
Dad has already slipped over on our tiles ( not a house made for the elderly). The ambulance crew know the way here.

So ( sorry for ridiculously long post), my sis and I are joint POA and ENduring guardianship. So if I invoke it it doesn't matter as she has to as well. I have had 3 doctors tell me they need 24/7 care ( when they were in hospital at various times but I never got anyone to sign the forms so I am tragically waiting for one of them to have another trip to hospital) . My 12 yo is getting nervy around them and just kind and polite with the repetition, but it's a lot to ask.
They are both getting a bit aggressive,
Mum won't get changed. Dad won't shower.
It's a fecking disaster.
Sister, who caused all this in reality , has now said she needs a break. Gave me 10 days notice that she will be away for 12 days. I can understand that, but she made her bed and suddenly I have to lie in it, I can't drive at the moment due to a foot problem, added problem, my DH starts a new job in 2 days, My mum now weirdly hates my dogs and its school summer holidays here and I won't be able to leave the house so poor DC is stuck in the house. Anyone got any brilliant ideas?

Sorry for long post! Ridiculous.

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shiningstar2 · 04/01/2025 11:10

Your parents clearly don't have the physical capacity to remain in their own home. If they would accept that you and your sister could work together to again find the best place possible for them. If they still have mental capacity though it is sometimes difficult to get frail elderly to agree to move into care, even if it's in their own best interests. POA allows you to make the decision for them only if they have lost mental capacity. If they are still mentally capable you probably have a careful persuasive job on your hands which will work best if you can get your sister on board to work with you Your other problem is if your sister doesn't agree. I'm thinking she got persuaded to get them home without thinking of the likely long term effect. Once they had to come to her home, after a while she's realized she's bitten off more than she can chew and is now maybe mentally on the edge herself. Not your fault or problem of course, she took the decision which has landed you all in a big problem. Hopefully she will now be able to see that she made a bad, probably knee -jerk decision in getting them out of the care home and will get on board with you in finding a new place pdq. If so, try to swallow your natural irritation at where you now are to work together. A new normal, where you hopefully can take turns to visit her in the home will happen far more quickly if she is on board and you are working together. 💐

I8toys · 04/01/2025 10:48

Not read the full thread but she has made her bed by letting them stay with her. While she's away they go into respite whilst either waiting for her to come back or for a care home place. Do not allow them to move in with you. If they need 24 hour care a live in carer would be extortionate at home.

crimsonlake · 04/01/2025 10:26

Tbh if they don't have capacity I am not clear as to how they simply upped and left the car home? You can't suddenly up and walk out of one if your a resident.

MereDintofPandiculation · 04/01/2025 10:22

You can’t bring them to your home as your Dad has already demonstrated that he’s not safe on your slippy floors.

You really couldn’t bring them to your home if you happened to have the decorators in when your sister was away, or if the toilet stopped working.

Social Services, emergency, breakdown of care.

Once they’re in your house they’ll be stuck there for good

12purplepencils · 04/01/2025 08:19

Sounds very stressful and unsustainable for you,

I don’t know about Australian social care systems but the basic fact is that your parents needs are only going to get higher, they are going to deteriorate more. They are going to have to go into a home as sounds like their needs are already beyond what you or your sister can do.

maybe it will help if you/she think about it in terms of it is inevitable.

Here in the UK you could call on social services for help finding a bed in a care home urgently, presumably that’s an option there too?

a shame if they can’t go back into the first choice home but as you’ve said, that’s your sisters fault really.

Put your foot down.

unsync · 04/01/2025 08:12

Is the issue your sister won't invoke the PoA? If so, your parents need to go live with her if you can no longer do it. She's passing the buck.

If she is named as joint PoA, she needs to step up or revoke. It's decision time, those decisions are hard and come with a personal cost. Head in the sand is not an option.

TheSandgroper · 04/01/2025 07:36

Assuming you are in Australia, can you talk to ACAT?

Or Dementia Australia? Even just to chat? Ask about safeguarding because your sister is not acting in your parents best interests? (Clutching at straws). Based on the ABC’s reports over the last year, try everything you can to avoid giving them to state care.

Oldjustold · 04/01/2025 07:33

Philippa Perry is much quoted in similar situations when she talks of choosing guilt over resentment, and she makes a lot of sense. Your parents need to be in a care home. Your daughter needs and deserves the calm and stability she knew before they moved in. Your sister has acted outrageously to leave you in this situation. Have a very straight talk with her about moving them as a matter of great urgency.

If they don't want to move, in all honesty that's too bad, they need a level of care you simply cannot offer. Things are only going to get very much worse and unless your sister wants them at her house tomorrow, for as long as the poor old souls survive, (and cancels her holiday) then she needs to get on board with moving them into a home asap. Back to my original point, if you feel guilty about moving them to a care home, living with that guilt is 100% preferable to trying to look after them at home.

Purplecatshopaholic · 04/01/2025 07:25

You need to be firm, and say no. If they ‘hate you’ at least they will be cared for, and you still have your own family to think about. Sounds like your sister is the problem - if she wants to provide care let her crack on. Or a care home. Either way you are not doing it. There’s no way I would have had my mum stay with me - work ft, unsuitable house, etc. You need to set your boundaries op.

Rocknrollstar · 04/01/2025 07:20

I was also going to suggest a live in carer. Otherwise you have to involve social services.

westernlights · 04/01/2025 07:06

Completely empathise, it's so difficult.
Would a live in carer be an option at their house? I appreciate this brings many other concerns.

Lifestooshort71 · 04/01/2025 07:01

As much as you love them, they need to be cared for 24/7 and that means a care home. Be firm with your sister and flatly refuse to take them in when she's away, tell her that she lost the last place so needs to sort another one asap. Tell her that you'll be supportive, help settle them in and be a point of contact for the home but you won't participate in this pillar-to-post care plan she seems to want as it doesn't work for your parents or for you. Be firm 💐

whiteroseredrose · 04/01/2025 06:49

This is going to sound awful but you need to have a word with your sister. Your parents need to be safe in a care home and if she won't join you in insisting that they go back to the home then you need to let her fail.

We had issues with PIL who ended up living with us for a few months. If I had done my usual thing and run around after them, making it easy for DH to work etc they would probably still be here. Instead I made DH deal with the consequences of his decisions. He had to deal with wee on the sofa and poo on the kitchen floor etc so we found a lovely care home for them.

Talk to your sister. If she chooses to have them live with her, it is her decision but you won't bail her out when it gets too hard. They need to be somewhere where they will be safe and have a whole team of people looking after them.

countrygirl99 · 04/01/2025 05:17

I think you have to decide between them or your own family doing the hating. Personally I'd ask.thf sister which home they'll be in while she's away so you can visit and leave it with her to sort. If you step in and take them in you may find there's ongoing reasons they "can't go back just yet".

mummy3456 · 04/01/2025 05:11

Well 3 doctors have said no so I think it's safe to say they answer is that they don't have cappacity. But they will hate me, and my sister will hate me , They've been terrible for at least 3 years and I kept telling her and she'd say they were fine. Thank you for your reply. It sux

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IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls · 04/01/2025 04:53

Do your parents have capacity?

Its obviously very difficult but If they do have capacity then you can't enforce them staying in a care home they don't like...