Elderly person visa's expired. Any experiences?

Medicare is a government funded health insurance scheme for pensioners.

Many older Americans also have much better private health care. These schemes cover people abroad.

On what grounds have the elderly visas been refused?

Re the private medical care here, it'll depend what circles you move in. Some jobs (usually better paid or some private companies) provide private health insurance as a staff perk. So if you and your friends have those kinds of jobs, then you'll know people who use it.

The vast majority will be NHS alone though. I know a couple of older people who used savings to pay for a private hip or knee replacement to get past
the waiting list.

Medical insurance via social security in the US is Medicare. They do not pay medical bills for people overseas. https://www.medicare.gov/publications/11037-medicare-coverage-outside-the-united-states.pdf

That is great OP. Sometimes have to go via NHS though if something needs sorting quickly, that is where NHS/A&E is useful if they decide it is urgent. We have private healthcare but the earliest the private consultant could fit us in was 3 weeks for an urgent scan etc…. Whereas NHS was quicker. Next day in fact.

So I gave up reading the debates about nhs care or not.

Re him being here legally; just do the application yourself. If the lawyers did it and failed, save the 8k and do it yourself. You'll be surprised, it might actually come through. Applying for visas is usually quite straight forward if you can read and follow the guidance. Give them all the documents they need.

Also it might be worth checking if he could be eligible for any other visa categories such as a dependant visa- he's not financially dependant on you which is usually the case for dependant visas but he is physically dependent.
Any extra information you can provide aside from
The list of documents needed to help the person deciding his case is always useful- proof of his house being signed over, no other family to help etc etc.

@EmotionalBlackmail A&E treatment isn't charged in my experience. When my (all) American niece broke a leg while on holiday here, she was treated for free - despite fessing up to being from the US and me supplying all her details. I specifically asked, and they said the treatment was free, as it was an emergency.

Ongoing non-acute medical treatment is probably different though.

Good luck OP. As I said earlier, he's lucky to have you and I wish him well.

It is very difficult to renounce British citizenship.

UK citizens who renounce their UK citizenship on paper to a foreign country in order to acquire a second citizenship are deemed to have done so under duress. They may hand in their UK passport, but the UK government does not regard this as them losing their citizenship. A passport and citizenship are two different things.

The individual remains a British citizen. The UK government can not assist them in the country of their second citizenship, but there is nothing to stop them returning to UK and reapplying for a passport.

Surely if he did end up needing to use the NHS eg needing GP or nurse in a care home or an ambulance to A&E then the NHS would just bill him? As they do already where care for car accident victims is billed to the car insurance company or an overseas visitor who became ill on holiday is billed for A&E?

Care home one of my relatives was in which was a deprived area of North of country is £952 per week self funded and £1150 if have dementia. Know fees vary by area but there are annual rises as set by the home.

i have never heard of private ambulances taking patients as an emergency to a private A&E. Sadly had elderly relatives in care home and ambulances and emergency treatment all provided by NHS. So apologies if you can call am ambulance to arrive quickly to take to private A&E services in this country.

My family member used to work in immigration law. He won't be removable because of his age/illnesses. But you also won't get a visa accepted. If he did end up using the nhs then he will be charged for it. Are you sure a care home would take him without legally being in the uk? Not sure how that aspect works. You could probably pay privately for carers though.

This sounds extremely tricky 😬

I tend to agree to just let him live his life unworried. I think the chances of him being deported are zero, they can't even deport criminals most of the time. You could try talking to the citizens advice bureau and see if they have any suggestions. If you want to try again for a visa I would do it yourself no need to waste money, but I probably wouldn't bother.

OP if I were you I would get this thread deleted once you’ve read it. It won’t be long before there’s some ‘Mumsnet Vipers Aiding and Abetting Illegal Immigrants’ tosh appearing in the Daily Hate Mail.

I feel for you in this situation @Katherina198819 and I hope your FIL is comfortable.

I am inclined to agree with some of the others here though that the fees you’ve been quoted for the care home are unlikely to touch the sides. My DGM was in a care home for a few years, northern ‘working’ town so not at all swish. It was more than £800/week when she went in but as her dementia progressed she needed nursing level care (not just ‘care home’ level) and it soared to nearly £2,400/week. That went on for nearly 2 years before she eventually passed away there (in her late 90s).

He's an illegal immigrant, brown, probably arrived on a boat and is a danger to women and girls everywhere. That is the only kind of immigrant MN seems to know exist.

Look, there is no point whatsoever depleting his and your financial resources on a visa application that won't be agreed. If he is concerned about it, tell him you've applied and just repeat the lie if he asks. It is disturbing him to think he's not got a visa, so don't tell him. At 91 and with dementia, it's a kind lie. Don't go to your MP right now - just leave it all and get on with your lives. If - and it is extremely unlikely - someone attempts to deport him, that is when you get the MP and news media involved. There's nothing more that they would like than a human interest story, and the powers that be will either back off and forget about him or grant him compassionate grounds. Nobody is deporting a 90+ year old with dementia - in fact I would lay bets they wouldn't even be able to find a carrier that would fly him!

Apparently a visa would be unhelpful if he needs the NHS, as undocumented people are to be treated ahead of others.
That's how crazy this country has become.

If he had "head memory issues" when the son took his house, maybe it's the US police who need to investigate, not a lawyer.

Absolutely sure he did not have a British passport. Nobody looked at this elderly gent in rural Scotland and not bothering anyone.

I personally wouldn't bother with immigration lawyers.

I would apply for leave outside the rules quoting human rights legislation. Form is on the gov.uk website.

Make it clear that your FIL will not be a burden on the State or NHS.

When it gets refused, stick in an appeal to the immigration courts on form IAFT5 - can be done online and forms found on Google.

Or just leave him. They won't remove him or detain him.

Do you have the room for a live in carer for him?

The quote he has been given is probably for a care home, what he will more likely need is a nursing home when the time comes, given his age and dementia. This is closer to £1,600 - £2,000 a week, depending on needs. If his pension covers £8K a month indefinitely that’s fine. But when the money runs out the local authority step in. This is where they would be very interested to hear about his other son stealing his house, it would be seen as deprevation of assets and there is no time cut off for this. However I don’t know what they would do about it being in the USA.
Also care homes have weekly visits by GP’s so they might require him to be registered with a GP.
I’m very sorry you are dealing with this, the poor man has been brutally betrayed by his son, but he is very lucky to have you both. There was a news story years ago about an elderly gentleman from the USA who was flown over here by his son and literally dumped on the street and abandoned. He was placed in a home here but ultimately sent back to the US and put in a miserable care home. I think some Americans assume the the NHS covers all care including elderly, sadly this is not the case.