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Elderly parents

Pressure of expectations

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Barney16 · 18/11/2024 01:47

I have elderly parents who have previously been very independent. I'm their only child and I live three hours away from them. I'm in my sixties and I work full time. Over the last six months both of my parents have become physically more frail. They have mobility issues and just can't do things that previously would have been easy for them. Simple things like carry things upstairs, or walk a short distance to the shop. They find it very depressing and really hate the narrowing of their horizons. They struggle on but my dad has recently said that they require more support from me. I was completely blindsided by this, I think I have been happy to bury my head in the sand as they have always seemed so competent. By more support he means my physical presence, as time has passed when I go and see them what they seem to want me to do is general chores but really to sit and talk to them. It's sounds very innocuous but it's exhausting, not helped by a three hour journey there and the same back home. Their expectation is that I do this more often than the current monthly visits that I make. I'm overwhelmed by this expectation. I can't give up work and the only free time I have is weekends so essentially I would work all week, go and see them Saturday, drive back Sunday and go to work Monday. I know myself and I know that this is unsustainable. I love my parents very much but my mother isn't particularly easy and I have struggled all my life with her volatility and my innate need to please her. It's perfectly possible that I will just go along with their expectations because it's what they want but I know I will just become exhausted, I need to pace myself. Does anyone have any advice?

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everythingisgoingup · 23/11/2024 19:55

Barney16

The only child situation does not help as the issues/responsibilities cannot be shared

everythingisgoingup · 23/11/2024 19:54

Alibabandthe40sheets

Your post us very true

My parents treat like their PA despite having a tricky childhood with them, every time I see them there is something else ☹️

Paperbagsaremine · 19/11/2024 18:25

A point of view I found helpful is to consider what my expectations would be if a respected male colleague was in the same situation. Helps me sort out in my head whether I'm being sensible/a martyr/a bit too hardheaded.

Barney16 · 19/11/2024 18:21

Just to reply to people who are asking about DGC, they are happy to help. I check in regularly to make sure they aren't over burdened. And as I have already mentioned they do activities. Bit somehow they have this lingering feeling that more is needed. I don't think they have been prepared for older age. But is anyone? I certainly am going to be. I keep showing DP bungalows on Rightmove.

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Barney16 · 19/11/2024 18:18

Womblewife · 19/11/2024 15:13

Sounds like it’s attention they want rather than help.
DGC already goes in everyday, they have an active social life…it’s not help they are after

Yes you are right. I understand, to some extent why that is. And I do try. The trouble with life now is there seems to be so many things that need attention. Work, children, just say to day living. I sometimes feel I haven't got any time to pay attention to myself because I'm very busy giving attention to a whole host of other things.

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Possiblynotever · 19/11/2024 16:38

Mum5net · 19/11/2024 15:10

Apologies @Possiblynotever my reply was a bit brutal. I'd be tempted to talk to their Council's Social work team if you believe your DM to be vulnerable / needing safeguarded. They might get the measure of your DF very quickly. Maybe it would be worthwhile to start your own thread as other posters will have valuable advice?
OP, you have found your voice! Your positive updates mean your DParents may have to think before they speak/ demand.

They live in another country, little can be done. But thanks for your kind words.

Freddiefan · 19/11/2024 15:50

Someone had mentioned Attendance Allowance. My health is not too good now and Age UK helped me to fill in the application which was granted at the full rate (just over £100 per week). I took on a cleaner who was fantastic the first time she came but then went downhill spending a lot of time on her phone. We are managing for now but I will try to find another cleaner if we are struggling too much. We will need a gardener next year.
My two daughters live too far away to help but I know that one of them feels very guilty about it. She is a busy mum working full time so I do not want to add to her worries.

Alibababandthe40sheets · 19/11/2024 15:26

This is very common. From family experience and talking to family members who are nurses and see it all the time. Some people, as they age, feel that they are entitled to have their children as their carers irrespective of any past family dynamics or other responsibilities that their children might have. It is almost as if they develop a mental block to realising that the people they expect carry out their wishes are individuals with their own responsibilities and needs.

You need to steel yourself towards these expectations @Barney16 for your own wellbeing. Feel the emotions of guilt and shame that they bring up and remember that you can choose how to respond to those emotions. You don’t have to respond to them by doing exactly what you parents ask, you can choose not to absorb their negative emotions and you can choose to do what you can reasonably manage.

Womblewife · 19/11/2024 15:13

Sounds like it’s attention they want rather than help.
DGC already goes in everyday, they have an active social life…it’s not help they are after

Mum5net · 19/11/2024 15:10

Apologies @Possiblynotever my reply was a bit brutal. I'd be tempted to talk to their Council's Social work team if you believe your DM to be vulnerable / needing safeguarded. They might get the measure of your DF very quickly. Maybe it would be worthwhile to start your own thread as other posters will have valuable advice?
OP, you have found your voice! Your positive updates mean your DParents may have to think before they speak/ demand.

TinyMouseTheatre · 19/11/2024 15:00

Imperrysmum · 19/11/2024 14:55

Im sorry OP but your parents sounds bloody selfish. They shouldn’t be fine with becoming a burden to you. Id shut down any expectations asap and offer to help them find carers etc but thats it.

Agree that offering to source carers might be a solution but they already have the support of the church and one of the OP's adult DC. They just seem very unwilling to source any real help for themselves.

Imperrysmum · 19/11/2024 14:55

Im sorry OP but your parents sounds bloody selfish. They shouldn’t be fine with becoming a burden to you. Id shut down any expectations asap and offer to help them find carers etc but thats it.

Imperrysmum · 19/11/2024 14:51

Ladyandherspaniel · 18/11/2024 01:49

You need to arrange for carers to go in and see them every day if you can't do it.

No. SHE doesn’t need to arrange anything. THEY need to arrange it. She can if she wants to, but she doesn’t NEED to 🙄🙄🙄

TinyMouseTheatre · 19/11/2024 14:49

The death of my DM is what I truly want to avoid

I can only beng to imagine how hard it must be to sit back knowing that your DM is unwell. Adults don't always make the right choices and it's hard to watch, especially when it's your DM Flowers

Possiblynotever · 19/11/2024 13:31

Mum5net · 19/11/2024 10:06

@Possiblynotever That sounds very hard but in those circumstances distance is your friend. Your DF sounds vile. Messing carers around and being difficult is incredibly common. Eventually though, an almighty crisis will happen and then he will tolerate them. The almighty crisis might be the death of your DM
Look after yourself.

The death of my DM is what I truly want to avoid

TinyMouseTheatre · 19/11/2024 11:38

RoselinaDance · 19/11/2024 11:32

I also wondered about the DGC.

Me too. That's a lot to cope with.

RoselinaDance · 19/11/2024 11:32

I also wondered about the DGC.

Orangesandlemons77 · 19/11/2024 10:50

rookiemere · 18/11/2024 19:43

They have activities, a DGC that visits daily and a DD that visits monthly.
I would really call them up on it, each and every time. "When you say step up DF what do you want me to do ? I work full time and you live three hours away.
You are getting daily visits from DGC, should I ask them to do different things from what they are currently doing ?"

I have been there with the cleaner too, although my DPs are a lot more self sufficient and never complain. I established from DM that she apparently doesn't want me to do their cleaning ( just as well really what with me working full time and living an hour away), but even though I filled in the forms with her to get full attendance allowance so she would have no excuse not to get one, she stonewalls me when I raise the topic and starts talking about how DF doesn't help (91, frail and with mild dementia).

I feel a bit sorry for the DGC has anyone spoken to them about these daily visits and whether that is Ok with them?

Mum5net · 19/11/2024 10:06

@Possiblynotever That sounds very hard but in those circumstances distance is your friend. Your DF sounds vile. Messing carers around and being difficult is incredibly common. Eventually though, an almighty crisis will happen and then he will tolerate them. The almighty crisis might be the death of your DM
Look after yourself.

TinyMouseTheatre · 19/11/2024 08:45

people don’t tend to whinge to me repeatedly as I am hard arsed bitch who says ‘so what are you going to do about it?’. That includes my parents, they whinge to my sisters instead

I prefer to call myself "a fixer" Grin

Possiblynotever · 19/11/2024 07:46

OP: I do not manage.
The more I try, the less effective I am.
I have found an agency that finds staff, and they mess them around all the time.
My DF is complicated. He has had a very, very powerful job, for a very long time. He is highly trained to boss people around and is highly effective at doing it.
He is a master at using psychological violence.
He was a military since a very young age, and he was very effective in his job. I am probably one of the few people who can withstand him.
My DM plays victim all the time: it's not me, it's him, but I cannot do anything about it as otherwise he turns against me...She serves him all the time ( he has some health issues), and then she is exhausted.
I have offered her to stay with me for some time, to get better...but she is of the generation who thinks it is her duty to stay with him.
It is a very complex situation. I am currently leaving them to their own decisions and looking at it from afar...

sausagesforteaagain · 18/11/2024 21:39

Sounds good @Barney16 ! Every time throw it back ‘what are you going to do about it?’ ‘Nothing? Mustn’t grumble then’.

Extra brownie points if you use one of their phrases back to them.

then write Hip = Doctors and stick it on the fridge.

people don’t tend to whinge to me repeatedly as I am hard arsed bitch who says ‘so what are you going to do about it?’. That includes my parents, they whinge to my sisters instead.

Chuffters · 18/11/2024 21:01

Great thread!

user1471453601 · 18/11/2024 20:54

@Barney16 it's difficult to say. Day by day, it's the chair lift. But the rolators keep me from falling. I couldn't shower without my walk in shower and chair. And my cleaner makes me feel comfortable in my own home. What price can you put on that?

each and every aid does just what it says on the tin. It aids.

I guess it depends on the level and type of an old persons inability to handle it alone. And also what is important to them.

PermanentTemporary · 18/11/2024 20:45

Just a major 👏 for turning that conversation in a new direction @Barney16. Apart from anything else, waiting until the last possible minute for a hip replacement may not be the best strategy anyway.

Just beware the post- surgery rehab phase...