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DFIL Has Dementia & DMIL Just Died

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WhyIsItAlwaysDownToMe · 13/11/2024 14:10

I've name changed for this as I suppose this is really going to be a bit of a rant.
DFIL is 91 and has dementia and has deteriorated quite a lot in the last 3 months. He was at home with DMIL - who spent a lot of time moaning about it but would not accept help or support or consider a care home for him.
I noticed the signs about 5 years ago, but H, BIL and MIL would not hear it. They finally agreed to look into it 18months ago and he was quickly diagnosed. They would not activate the Power of Attorney either, saying they would do it when they felt it was time rather than getting everything in hand for when it was needed.
Over the last few months he has started wandering at night, became doubly incontinent and the sundowning was getting worse. Managed to convince MIL that he at least needed a morning carer to help get him up, showered and dressed.
This has continued until about 2 months ago when she finally decided she couldn't cope and wouldn't have extra carers in, so that left the only option being a care home - which was definitely the best option for DFIL.
During all this time, DH would not engage at all, BIL visited at weekends to take them out.Neither would take responsibility for making sure their parents were safe, secure and content. I work only 10 minutes away from them. DH works from home and is also 10 minutes away (we own our own business so going over was never an issue). The distress calls arrived every morning by 9.30am and neither of them would visit or help sort out their issues. As I couldn’t see them struggle that much it all fell to me.

They all finally agreed that DFIL probably needed to be cared for out of the home so a 28 day care home assessment was arranged for him. However, 1 day before this, MIL died suddenly at home. DFIL carer found her.

They have both basically abdicated all responsibility for dealing with any of this as they “cannot cope” with it. They would not even tell him that his wife of 60 years had died. I did this and whilst he now does not remember he did need to know at the time.
I have dealt with paramedics, coroner, funeral director, care home and told everyone who needed to know.I have booked the appointments to register the death and arrange the funeral with the funeral director and vicar.Today I have told them they must do this together and I will not be going with them – I actually do have to be at work that day which will be hard to rearrange. I just think that much as I loved her dearly she is not my parent and I do not want to do anymore and being in their mid-50s they both need to get on with it. All they say is they don’t know what to do (nor do I really as when my DM died she had sorted everything out beforehand).
The house also needs to be emptied and sold to fund DFILs care now. My H has flatly refused to get involved as he can’t cope and DBIL who is helping spent 5 hours going through one drawer (it was him who wanted to start the process) and the donkey work is again being left to me.

Thanks if you’ve read this far. I needed that rant. I love my ILs greatly, they accepted me totally into their family when I met DH, but I cannot and will not do it all for H and BIL (there is no “D” at the moment).

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ClicketyClickPlusOne · 13/11/2024 16:31

WhyIsItAlwaysDownToMe · 13/11/2024 15:39

Thanks for all of your messages. You're all absolutely right and I will be having a word tonight. Thankfully the Power of Attorney is now activated (they had one of the old style ones), their wills are straight forward. Thankfully there is no probate as it all goes to DFIL. He is safe and comfortable in the assessment care home but can only stay for 4 weeks so they've got to look at alternatives for his care. He's the kindest, most gentle man I have think I have ever met and all he wants to do is find his wife of 60 years, from whom he was hardly ever apart - it's heartbreaking.

That is heart breaking, OP, and I am so sorry.

We had to tell my Dad (with dementia) that Mum had died...and every day he was looking for her and asking about her.

It is hard for your DH and BIL to lose a parent, but they have each other -they have to support each other through it as a team.

ttcat37 · 13/11/2024 16:30

Just stop doing it. They’re not doing it because you are. It’s not your job, none of it was. All of this stress for you can stop- just don’t do it anymore.

Mum5net · 13/11/2024 16:25

Sorry for your loss, Op.
Going forward with lovely DFiL, now that you've told him once and he has learned about her death, every time he asks about DMiL just tell him that she is staying with her sister or off at the supermarket. Often a little white lie is the kindest way. This is what was advised by hospital staff when my DF died unexpectedly and DM was actually under section in the same hospital.

pikkumyy77 · 13/11/2024 16:24

This is bringing back memories of handling my deceased great aunt’s house and furnishings and the utter emotional incontinence of her nephew when asked to go through some drawers. Hours later he had barely made it through some photos while I and a less closely related female cousin were powering through all the tasks we had accepted.

These self indulgent weepy prats need to get over themselves. Difficult tasks still need to get done!

Lifeglowup · 13/11/2024 16:19

WhyIsItAlwaysDownToMe · 13/11/2024 15:39

Thanks for all of your messages. You're all absolutely right and I will be having a word tonight. Thankfully the Power of Attorney is now activated (they had one of the old style ones), their wills are straight forward. Thankfully there is no probate as it all goes to DFIL. He is safe and comfortable in the assessment care home but can only stay for 4 weeks so they've got to look at alternatives for his care. He's the kindest, most gentle man I have think I have ever met and all he wants to do is find his wife of 60 years, from whom he was hardly ever apart - it's heartbreaking.

Good.

I know DH and BIL should figure it out for themsleves but I would be tempted to you say you can’t do any of the organisation but you will help them sort the to do list and at the top needs to be sorting DFIL care. They need to find a care home which is suitable for him now and in the future, which will include end of life care.

SnoopysHoose · 13/11/2024 16:16

What exactly do these two think will happen at the end of the four weeks? do they even care? shameful behaviour
My DP had to become the carer for his 92 yr GF as his fit and able father would not do more than a once a week 10 min visit( even though he lived on the same street)

cestlavielife · 13/11/2024 16:08

They are grown adults they can do it now.
You done your bit.
Give them age concern helpline number

Danascully2 · 13/11/2024 16:06

I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, my in laws are/were also really lovely so I can totally understand why you felt you couldn't leave them. I spent a lot of time on the phone to my mother in law last year while my father in law was terminally ill although I am a long way from her with primary aged children and no local family so couldn't be there very much in person. In your situation though it sounds like your DFIL won't be aware of what is happening with the house or the funeral so it's ok to let those aspects go for the sons to sort out or not as they choose (unless you would personally find it helpful to choose readings or similar for the funeral for your own grief process). I wish you all the best.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 13/11/2024 16:04

It sounds like everything is sorted for the minute, inheritance is simple, DFIL is in the care home, obviously can't go home, so they will have to find a permanent place. DFIL owns the house and contents so no need to do anything urgently, except make sure it is insured if no one is living there.

Sit down with DH a BIL and tell them they are now in charge, you have done your bit, got it all on an even keel now it's up to them. Carry on visiting DFIL as a friend and because you like him, all the rest of it step back, they can cope, all the really important things are done DMIL is at peace, DFIL is being cared for everything else is up to the sons.

Topseyt123 · 13/11/2024 16:00

Stop! Just STOP doing everything for these pathetic men-children!!

Tell them that you have done everything you can or are willing to do, so over to them now. THEY step up for THEIR own parents just as you did for your mother. You can play a background supporting role if you wish, but FFS stop letting them take the piss.

None of us knew really how to organise funerals or care homes before the first time we were confronted with it, but we managed because we had to, as most people (women or men) do. There are funeral directors, vicars, priests, celebrants and registrars of births and deaths who can direct them. That's how most of us got on with it. There's also Google.

Just leave them to it. They'll soon realise that they will have to get the house sold when the care home begins asking when/how their fees are going to be paid (leave that to them too).

They will have to clear the house. Do not let DH just bring all the stuff back and cram it into your house. A few nice items each as memorabilia, but make them get a house clearance firm in for all the rest. That's something you might well have to hold firm on if you don't want to end up under an avalanche of stuff.

They can do it. They are just choosing not to because you are stepping up. Stop.

caringcarer · 13/11/2024 15:49

Tell them you can't cope either. Step back and leave them to do the rest. You have been more than patient with both DH and BiL. Hopefully FiL will be put into a good home and cared for well.

Purplecatshopaholic · 13/11/2024 15:42

Step back and drop the reins op. They need to get on with it and they won’t if you keep doing it. This is not your responsibility. So stop

WhyIsItAlwaysDownToMe · 13/11/2024 15:39

Thanks for all of your messages. You're all absolutely right and I will be having a word tonight. Thankfully the Power of Attorney is now activated (they had one of the old style ones), their wills are straight forward. Thankfully there is no probate as it all goes to DFIL. He is safe and comfortable in the assessment care home but can only stay for 4 weeks so they've got to look at alternatives for his care. He's the kindest, most gentle man I have think I have ever met and all he wants to do is find his wife of 60 years, from whom he was hardly ever apart - it's heartbreaking.

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sausagesforteaagain · 13/11/2024 15:38

Hugs OP. You have done enough, and you have been saying for years that it needed to be dealt with.

what happens if you just stop, does it impact FIL at all?

SoloSofa24 · 13/11/2024 15:34

Is FIL in a care home now? And do you have power of attorney for him? Did your MIL leave a will, and who is executor? Is the house jointly owned?

Because if FIL is now sole owner of the house and you don't have power of attorney but he doesn't have capacity to act on his own behalf, I am afraid you are in for a long, tedious and possibly expensive legal process to sort out the mess before you can do anything. And by 'you', I mean your DH and BIL, who really need to step up and take responsibility.

SnoopysHoose · 13/11/2024 15:34

Your H and his brother have behaved disgracefully, leaving their elderly mother and you to struggle on when it should be them stepping up.
I'm sorry this would be relationship ending for me, he a disgrace and has been for several years by the sound of it.

Harassedevictee · 13/11/2024 15:33

@WhyIsItAlwaysDownToMe your user name is very apt.

As long as you step up your DH and BIL will let you do it. It’s feigned incompetence to get out of doing something they don’t want to do. A 5 minute Google provides lots of links on what to do when someone dies, how to plan a funeral, suitable readings etc. There is no reason they can’t do this.

Not being available due to work or other reasons is your best tactic.

sonjadog · 13/11/2024 15:33

Your ILs have been very lucky that you married into their family. I understand that when it came to taking care of the actual people, you couldn't stand by, but now MIL is gone and FIL is safe and cared for, I think you step back and let them get on with it, or not get on with it, whatever they choose. They sound a remarkably pathetic pair of individuals, so I understand your annoyance completely, but I would nevertheless leave it completely up to them. Like all other adults, they will just have to cope.

I would also be thinking about your own future, because your useless husband is obviously not going to do anything.

timenowplease · 13/11/2024 15:31

You need to step back and leave them to it. It's an important part of the grieving process. I also reckon you'll get blamed for all sorts down the road if you do continue to organise things.

WannabeMathematician · 13/11/2024 15:29

Does not bode well for you if you ever need care from your DH.

SheilaFentiman · 13/11/2024 15:28

Echoing everyone else

Google a “what to do when someone dies” checklist, tick off all the things you have already done and send it to them saying you have done more than your share and it’s now over to them.

Mischance · 13/11/2024 15:26

All this is only falling on you because you are doing it! Just say NO. It is not your job.

I admit I did the bulk of all this when my FIL died, but I did it happily and voluntarily because my OH was a very busy GP and I had more time. But if I had said no he would simply have got on with it.

countrygirl99 · 13/11/2024 15:26

My answer when an adult says they don't know what to do in this sort of situation is to tell them thank goodness for Google and leave them to it.

PoppyFleur · 13/11/2024 15:24

I am so sorry for your loss. You have done so much to honour your inlaws but, as others have said, it is time to step away and let your BIL and husband deal with it.

Losing a parent is incredibly painful and dealing with the house, possessions etc is mentally and physically gruelling. This cannot all land on your shoulders.

Lifeglowup · 13/11/2024 15:23

You’re a saint for putting up with lazy arse DH and BIL.

Where DFIL now? Is he in a care home?

Funeral director and vicar will hand hold them through planning the funeral and they have internet access. I would leave that but to them. If they haven’t even got a date for the funeral then it’s too early to sort the house. When’s it’s time I would suggest they take out the bits each want, use a charity which does house clearance (BHF) get an estate agents who does the viewing and use an estate agent who does all the viewings, solictor to do probabte.

They needs to start stepping up.