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Elderly parents abroad, only child, how to handle this

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Hatandcoatandhymnbooktoo · 01/11/2024 09:21

Mum and Dad now in their 80s, have lived abroad for the past 20 years. I live in the UK, married, no kids, busy and stressful job but I don't want to give it up. I can WFH most of the time but there are times when I absolutely have to be present. I'm self employed.

Parents were abusive during my childhood, mostly Dad, I now have CPTSD.

They are in reasonably good health still but their house (too big for them, rural) is an absolute pigsty - rotten food in the fridge, dust and dirt and general filth everywhere.

I fly over to see them around every 8-10 weeks and spend at least a day or more cleaning each time and it still isn't enough. Mum recently injured her arm so it's been worse. I'm currently staying with them. Mum cooks every day for Dad, her hygiene is appalling (e.g. raw chicken juice spraying everywhere, doesn't notice or care), I've cooked and cleaned since I've been here also having to work online.

Dad is completely dependent emotionally on Mum. I fear if Mum dies first (which is likely as she's older) he will kill himself. Mum fears the same. I don't know how long they can keep going in this house safely, with flying visits from me as and when I can. Also have to protect my mental health as after 5 nights max I have to get out of here.

They will not accept outside help (yet), so no cleaners or food deliveries etc. They are car dependent. Mum can't drive anymore.

I am not sure how to deal with this going forward. Doesn't help that the social care system is different here and I've been putting off engaging with it (though it may actually turn out to be better than in the UK).

I cannot move in with them or I will lose my mind. I basically have three options :

A. Stay living in the UK and carry on with flying visits, start engaging with social services, outside services etc. The downside : a lot of travelling and time away from home, and I never have enough time to sort everything that I think needs sorting.

B. Base myself in the capital city (they have a flat there which I can use) so I am nearer to hand for the inevitable crises, and WFH / travel to the UK for work when I need to. The downside : my marriage will end. But (long story) that may have to happen anyway.

C. Distance myself and let the whole thing fall. They don't ask for my help anyway, I just hate knowing they are living (albeit happily) in squalor and at some point fairly soon one of them will die and the other will need to move elsewhere. I know it sounds awful but it is an option.

I'm thinking it has to be A.
Moving to the capital makes it more likely I'll be drawn in and end up living with them.
I can't do C.
Writing this out has helped. Any thoughts much appreciated

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Hatandcoatandhymnbooktoo · 02/11/2024 18:27

I wish it were as simple as feeling they had messed up my childhood (which they did, and the knock-on effects are still there) so they don't "deserve" my care now and I can just do 100% option C. I don't feel that way though as much as I try. And as much as they drive me up the wall I couldn't live with myself if I left them to it completely. Yes, they were shite parents but/and they both had their own debilitating traumas to live through. They shouldn't have had kids I suppose. Anyway - I am actively looking for a therapist now and hope that will help.

Thanks so much everyone. I really appreciate your thoughts.

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Hatandcoatandhymnbooktoo · 02/11/2024 18:22

Thank you @EdgarAllenRaven that is a really helpful list.

Looks like my first steps are POA and getting in touch with social services - I have no rights over the house and can't sell it from under them, unfortunately the flat is too small for the pair of them and no garden which my Dad hates.

But I take on board the point that you just have to do things and they will adapt.

Money is not a big issue - they are not rich by any means but social care is much cheaper/free here.

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Autumnalmists · 02/11/2024 15:32

Or D. They have 2 homes and have chosen to live away from you. Souse their money to have the practical help they need!

GinForBreakfast · 02/11/2024 13:41

C.

They can and must help themselves.

thepariscrimefiles · 02/11/2024 12:55

Option C every time. If you have Catholic guilt, I assume that your parents are Catholics too? Where is their Catholic guilt about the way they treated their own daughter? Your childhood was ruined by them, don't let them continue to ruin your life. They completely failed you so you owe them nothing.

EdgarAllenRaven · 01/11/2024 23:54

Just to add, I did have to make their local Social Services aware of them in order to arrange the Meals on Wherls, but this was actually really helpful. Once they’ve been made aware, they will do an assessment and are required to check on them etc so worth looking into
We also then found about many things on offer like free taxi services etc for the elderly

EdgarAllenRaven · 01/11/2024 23:52

I have parents in a similar situation abroad, so can tell you what I did - although they were loving, and if abusive you could just go NC to be honest.

  • moved them into the city flat, sold the rural place
  • got added to their bank account
  • got Power of Attorney (important to do this anyway)
  • said I wasn’t cleaning anymore and arranged a fortnightly cleaner, paid by their bank account
  • Arranged occasional Meals on wheels (though they then stopped it in defiance)
  • As health declined also arranged a daily carer to help with washing/dressing/ medication etc

Finally, I did have to find and arrange a Care Home when things got very bad. Dad deteriorated very rapidly in the end, Mum is still in the home and taken care of there.

All of these amenities were available for a quarter of the UK cost .
They were defiant but I just did it anyway! On some level they knew they needed some help so adapted.

BlueLegume · 01/11/2024 19:06

@kiwiane good advice

kiwiane · 01/11/2024 18:07

I hope you have therapy and put yourself first. They’ve chosen this life and there will come a point when they need to accept care or support; you’re helping to prop them up but it doesn’t sound sustainable. There will be a crisis and it’s not your job to support them in an unsuitable home in another country.
What do you want for your life? Don’t give up your marriage for your parents.

Startingagainandagain · 01/11/2024 17:39

C because you are enabling their behaviour.

If you were not going back and forth they would need to accept that they need to put in place home support from social services and a cleaner.

They chose to move abroad, they are now choosing to ignore their loss of independence and instead expect you to 'commute' from another country to look after them. That's not sustainable.

The bit about your father wanting to kill himself if your mother dies sounds like emotional blackmail to me as well.

Honestly it looks like you have been raised to put up with poor behaviour from them and to be at their beck and call even if they failed you as parents when you were growing up.

Time to put some boundaries in place. Tell them that you can no longer travel that often and that they will need to arrange for home support.

Contact the country's social services and ask them to get in touch with your parents and tell them clearly that they are not coping and you are unable to provide any support.

And live your own life.

Toddlerteaplease · 01/11/2024 16:39

Another vote for C.

JazzyJelly · 01/11/2024 16:34

Nobody's awful all the time OP, so that's not saying much. If they aren't asking for help, don't seem appreciative, and weren't great parents, I'd echo other posters - stop going over so much, let them live as unhealthily as they wish, just don't cut them off entirely. My parents are getting older and have always lived in horrible conditions but I wouldn't dream of cleaning for them.

Hatandcoatandhymnbooktoo · 01/11/2024 16:05

Thanks so much everyone.

We are just back from lunch out locally. It was fairly pleasant, other than the usually stressiness of leaving the house, for some reason they both find this very hard. If they were 100% awful all the time C would be so much easier.
I noticed in the car (close proximity) that my Dad's personal hygiene is pretty bad too. Mum and went out in a filthy pair of trousers she's been wearing for days, but gets really offended if I mention it.

So, to reply to the main things people have said (and genuinely a huge thank you to everyone, this is really helping me think it through)

-B is legally possible as I have dual nationality, but I agree it is risky and best avoided. I'm self employed so can mostly work where I want, but over a set number of days a year I'd have to rearrange my tax status. I can't leave the UK completely work-wise, and wouldn't want to.

-I know I would benefit from therapy (if I can find the right person). I'm going to email around over the weekend.

-It's true they aren't asking for my help and will never change. Their domestic habits have always been fairly gross - it used to stress me out as a kid so no big surprise I can't stand being around it now. Cleaning for them is really for me, I get that.

-My husband is generally supportive (Mum and Dad think the sun shines out of his arse) but let me down badly last year - emotional affair - and I haven't got over it. M&D don't know, I don't give them information they could misuse.

My conclusion for now is A and C, with varying proportions depending on what I can face doing. B is tempting for many reasons but - no. Bad idea.

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kitchenhelprequired · 01/11/2024 14:15

Setting everything else aside do you have a right to live wherever your parents live as well as the right to work? Will your UK employer allow you to work outside the UK as it has tax implications for them? WFH is not the same as work from anywhere and many employers don't allow cross boarder working.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 01/11/2024 13:09

As well as being a terrible idea, B may not be legally possible. You'd almost certainly need a working visa.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 01/11/2024 13:05

C. And therapy (which may have the bonus of helping you decide about your marriage as well as sorting out the aftermath of your childhood).

They haven't earned your help. And you've not said anything that indicates they want your help - which means it isn't actually help.

So, C.

If you really, really can't do C (yet) then A but cut way back.

Not, under any circumstances, B.

DoreenonTill8 · 01/11/2024 12:42

AnnaMagnani · 01/11/2024 09:25

C.

They weren't good parents to you.
They are chose to retire to a different country.
They don't ask for your help.
They refuse to help themselves even though the issues are obvious to them.

And most importantly they are still so horrid that you can't tolerate them for five days.

This

Floralnomad · 01/11/2024 12:40

What does your husband think ? Does he also have elderly parents ? I think you need to continue as you are now but include some outside help , if they won’t take outside help then you have to accept that the problem is of their own making and stick to the current visiting regime .

AnnaMagnani · 01/11/2024 12:29

Agree with @MysterOfwomanY

Yes the house is squalid.
Yes the fridge is full of out of date/rotting food
Yes the kitchen is coated with a film of raw chicken

However it's been like that for years and hasn't made either of them unwell.
They like living like that.

If they don't want to change you can't make them.

MysterOfwomanY · 01/11/2024 11:35

TBH first look at whether anything you're doing makes a difference.
Does it really help that they're only living in squalor 95% of the time instead of 100%?
Just saying, at least save your resources for things that make a real and persistent difference. Which may be much less than what you're doing now.

Rebootnecessary · 01/11/2024 11:18

This is such a difficult situation for you. I really feel for you.

I think engaging with local social services is vital, whatever else you decide to do.

With your marriage also sounding shaky I think you need some self preservation. Looking after yourself and your business are vital.

Purplecatshopaholic · 01/11/2024 11:06

C. With a hint of A on your terms. They don’t deserve your time, aren't asking for it, and you will likely make yourself ill if you are not careful. Ditch the guilt, seriously.

BlueLegume · 01/11/2024 10:53

@GoldMoon makes a great point @Hatandcoatandhymnbooktoo Essentially you are ( and I mean this kindly ) enabling their behaviour. I think we all want a one size fits all solution for elderly people to try and help them and help ourselves navigate the consequences of having wandered blindly into very old age. It starts with a bit of light housework, bit of shopping then you find yourself there for a full day . Do take care - your marriage situation in itself is a huge issue for you even if you have managed to put it on a back burner.

ChaChaChaChanges · 01/11/2024 10:40

Immigration rules for many countries have changed enormously over the past 20 years - do you know for certain whether you’d even be able to move to your parents’ country on a permanent basis? You may find that A and B are impossible for you.

GoldMoon · 01/11/2024 10:37

I bet you are financing the travel to and fro ?
Tell them you cannot afford to be coming over so much and, a reality check , is they cannot let their home fall to rack & ruin between your visits . They must get outside help because you won't be over as much .
Then do that , take a long break of not going over there , and when you do , tidy / clean minimally .
You have fallen in the trap of swooping in , sorting out , and they know they don't have to maintain the place because you are coming out to do it .
Why can't they sell up and move into their city flat ?