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Advice: gentle encouragement to stop driving not worked

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NettieHead · 22/08/2024 15:33

Hoping someone might be able to give me some pointers my elderly step GF really shouldn't be driving. Having spoken to him, I get the feeling he doesn't feel capable, but both him and my DGM are so fixated on him continuing to drive (indeed DGM says he may as well go into a home if he can't drive - it's a dysfunctional co-dependent relationship, with the added issues of cognitive decline, but that's another story) that the gentle conversations/suggestions that it's time to stop just haven't landed.

I'm worried for their safety, but more importantly the safety of pedestrians and other road users. It feels like it's all going to blow up when I step in more firmly. Is there any help I can get to do this more gently/remove myself from the centre of the equation? Is it something their GP could be involved in?

I guess if it comes to it, I'm just going to have to be the "trouble-maker" - it feels better coming from me than either DM or uncle having to potentially damage their relationship with their mother.

Any advice on how to do make this happen, but as gently/kindly as possible? (We have been laying the ground work, bus passes, familiarisation with bus routes, taxi numbers, suggesting mobility scooter etc. and of course will be on hand to help too - just trying to minimise the loss of independence feeling). They are both late 80's if that is relevant.

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RandomMess · 22/08/2024 19:46

Take the keys, deny all knowledge.

HoHoHoliday · 22/08/2024 19:39

Instead of gentle encouragement, just be honest and direct. You can do that without being mean.
Present your worries to them, explain why, and offer a solution:

You are concerned about his ability to drive safely. You are worried an accident will happen and cause harm to him or someone else. You love him and want to protect him and keep him safe.
There are other transport options available and you can help him find them - local buses, taxis.
He can perhaps try these alternatives for a couple of weeks to see how he gets on and you can be available to help during this time.

NettieHead · 22/08/2024 19:37

theduchessofspork · 22/08/2024 19:26

Oh blimey - if he has dementia report to the DVLA!

If you were really worried I wouldn’t be beyond organising a bit of mechanical failure in the meantime.

I need to double check the "diagnosis", but there was definitely an assessment carried out that identified early onset of dementia/some kind of cognitive degeneration.

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NettieHead · 22/08/2024 19:35

I8toys · 22/08/2024 17:38

Is he renewing his licence every 3 years? We told FIL when he could renew the licence and insurance himself he could have his car back. He has vascular dementia. After his diagnosis the doctor referred him to a local assessment centre to get re-tested. He got lost getting there despite us telling and showing him where it was, and he had to be rescued. We then removed the car.

Thanks, more helpful advice. I honestly feel so naïve that I hadn't given more thought to this before now, and don't know more about the rules regarding your license once you are older. (They previously lived down south and moved up north to be nearer us, so it hadn't been staring me in the face previously)

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NettieHead · 22/08/2024 19:32

Lexy70 · 22/08/2024 16:52

You can report your concerns to the DVLA there is an online form. You have to give your details but they are not passed onto the person you are reporting. This initiates a GP review re fitness to drive which sadly my 85 yr old father passed.

Thank you, this is helpful. I'll get online.

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Prenelope · 22/08/2024 19:30

Doe he have dementia?

If no cognitive decline then leave him alone. Plenty of people drive fine at 85 and beyond. My friend who is 92 drove me into town last week.

NettieHead · 22/08/2024 19:30

RatherBeRiding · 22/08/2024 16:57

The loss of their independence is far less to worry about than your GF killing someone - please act before someone is hurt or killed. If gentle persuasion isn't working then someone - you by the sound of it - is going to have to do the right thing.

And don't allow the 'lost independence' guilt trip - there are buses. There are taxis. There are trains. Get onto the DVLA and they will take action.

You're 100% right. Someone further down the post has suggested about DVLA medicals. I think that gives me a really good opening to effectively give an ultimatum. He will never in a million years agree to undertaking one, which hopefully will make him feel able to hand over the car keys. I'll offer to do the leg work of selling the car for them, and that gives them a starter taxi fund.

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theduchessofspork · 22/08/2024 19:26

Oh blimey - if he has dementia report to the DVLA!

If you were really worried I wouldn’t be beyond organising a bit of mechanical failure in the meantime.

AnnaMagnani · 22/08/2024 19:26

If he has a diagnosis it makes it a lot easier. He is legally obliged to inform the DVLA and if he hasn't told them and his insurers, he is effectively driving uninsured.

If he won't do it, you can report him to the DVLA. They will as his GP for a report - this might be enough to stop him driving. If not he'll be sent for a driving test, and even if he passes he'll be checked on regularly to make sure he is still safe. DH has a reportable condition, he had to prove every year he was fit to drive and only got given annual licences.

I reported my FIL - just be ready to firmly insist it wasn't you and encourage them to think maybe it was somebody he's seen in a clinic. For FIL he was outraged that the DVLA was checking up on him but when he went to see his GP, the GP told him there and then to stop, for which we were all very grateful.

NettieHead · 22/08/2024 19:24

LiterallyOnFire · 22/08/2024 16:55

Your grandmother is giving him the message that he will/should go into a home if he doesn't drive?!

I'm not sure you're the best person to intercede on this one.

I know. I don't even know where to start on that one, other than it is incredibly sad to see two people so unhappy and entrenched in their behaviours/attitudes and to become so disrespectful of each other. I hope DH and I will always stay mindful of supporting each others needs/wants, be kind to each other.

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NettieHead · 22/08/2024 19:19

AnnaMagnani · 22/08/2024 15:39

Is there a diagnosis of cognitive decline or just a gut feeling on your part?

This might be a start as he would need to inform the DVLA and his insurers of any diagnosis

He has a diagnosis of dementia of some sort - I feel silly for not thinking of that, but the doctors know he still drives (I know they have asked how he feels about driving still in the recent past), so I guess it didn't occur to me to think about his responsibility to report to DVLA/insurers. Sorry if that sounds a bit daft, it's new territory to me and I hadn't given much thought to the practicalities of helping them as they age.

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NotTooOldPaul · 22/08/2024 19:04

I'm 77 and decided a few years ago that eveytime I need to renew my licence I will pay for a DVLA approved medical, the type bus drivers and HGV drivers need to take. If I fail I will stop driving as I don't want to cause an accident.
Can you suggest that your stepGF does one of these medicals to reasure you that he is fit to drive?

I8toys · 22/08/2024 17:38

Is he renewing his licence every 3 years? We told FIL when he could renew the licence and insurance himself he could have his car back. He has vascular dementia. After his diagnosis the doctor referred him to a local assessment centre to get re-tested. He got lost getting there despite us telling and showing him where it was, and he had to be rescued. We then removed the car.

RatherBeRiding · 22/08/2024 16:57

The loss of their independence is far less to worry about than your GF killing someone - please act before someone is hurt or killed. If gentle persuasion isn't working then someone - you by the sound of it - is going to have to do the right thing.

And don't allow the 'lost independence' guilt trip - there are buses. There are taxis. There are trains. Get onto the DVLA and they will take action.

LiterallyOnFire · 22/08/2024 16:55

Your grandmother is giving him the message that he will/should go into a home if he doesn't drive?!

I'm not sure you're the best person to intercede on this one.

Lexy70 · 22/08/2024 16:52

You can report your concerns to the DVLA there is an online form. You have to give your details but they are not passed onto the person you are reporting. This initiates a GP review re fitness to drive which sadly my 85 yr old father passed.

AnnaMagnani · 22/08/2024 15:39

Is there a diagnosis of cognitive decline or just a gut feeling on your part?

This might be a start as he would need to inform the DVLA and his insurers of any diagnosis