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Attendance Allowance for mobility issues/arthritis

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orangetree1999 · 17/07/2024 16:41

Hi
I was looking at applying for this for my mum but have seen some notes on different websites that say it's not available for people with mobility issues.
She's 86 with arthritis riddled knees. She is eligible for knee replacements but doesn't want them.
We have paid privately for a stair lift and a walk in shower as she wasn't able to get into the bath and struggles with stairs.
She has a blue badge but is restricted to where she can go as can't walk far even if she gets a parking space.
She's fallen a couple of times because if she slips there is no strength in her knees to save herself.
Does anyone know if she would be eligible please?
Without the adaptations we have made she would need help going upstairs to get to the loo and getting in and out of the bath.
We would use attendance allowance for a cleaner and for taxis but these don't seem to count as they are not 'personal care'.
Thanks.

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MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 26/09/2024 17:24

Fantastic,so pleased !

orangetree1999 · 26/09/2024 15:06

Pearl97 · 26/09/2024 14:43

That’s amazing. I must do my mums. What were the main points you changed that altered the decision ?

I am really pleased for you x

There was no decision change - it was our first time applying.
I listed all the aids she had... stair lift/walking stick/half steps/walk in shower etc.
We also had a letter from the GP that we got a couple of years ago for a blue badge application that detailed her condition and prescribed treatment.
We also attached an xray report that stated that her knees had basically collapsed.
When filling in the form about using the loo I mentioned that she needed the stair lift to get upstairs.
Also as she has arthritis in her shoulders I mentioned that it was difficult to do her hair/get dressed etc.

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Pearl97 · 26/09/2024 14:43

That’s amazing. I must do my mums. What were the main points you changed that altered the decision ?

I am really pleased for you x

orangetree1999 · 26/09/2024 14:32

Update in case useful to anyone else.

Application was successful.

Thanks for all the input.

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RickyGervaislovesdogs · 03/09/2024 16:17

Pearl97 · 03/09/2024 11:48

Really appreciate your help. We are rejected as my mum doesn’t need help in the night with the toilet.

Neither does mine, it just takes her ages and she uses furniture to get herself there.It’s not the help you get, it’s the help you need.

She also uses stairs, it just takes her a long time, one step at a time, has to pause, she also ties a makeshift rope around the top bannister to pull herself up. It can take her 30 mins in total. You have to really think about each question and what it involves. She refuses to sleep downstairs or have a downstairs loo despite having a ton of rooms. She likes her home as it is.
Feel free to PM me, I’ll try to help. You’ll need to ask for a mandatory reconsideration.

averythinline · 03/09/2024 15:23

Just apply for it.... Make sure you put her bad days on it as she may need further help shortly...

Pearl97 · 03/09/2024 11:48

Really appreciate your help. We are rejected as my mum doesn’t need help in the night with the toilet.

Seymour5 · 03/09/2024 08:40

Flopsythebunny · 02/09/2024 20:23

Pip is for people with disabilities who are between 16 and state pension age, attendance allowance is for those over state pension age

That’s not quite right. If you’re on PIP before state pension age, it can continue. If you start claiming after you reach state pension age, it has to be Attendance Allowance.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-fact-sheets/pip-handbook#:~:text=PIP%20cannot%20be%20claimed%20from,satisfy%20the%20conditions%20of%20entitlement.

PIP handbook

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-fact-sheets/pip-handbook#:~:text=PIP%20cannot%20be%20claimed%20from,satisfy%20the%20conditions%20of%20entitlement.

Flopsythebunny · 02/09/2024 20:23

ScreamingBeans · 17/07/2024 20:54

Watching this with interest as my mum is 89 with a stent in her heart and can't carry things so can't do shopping etc., takes ages to walk anywhere, but is still able to dress herself so guidance implies she's not eligible, even though if she were 30 years younger with this level of disability she'd be eligible for PIP.

I'm really baffled by benefits, how can you get PIP when you're 59 but with the same disability at 89 not be eligible for anything?

Let us know how you get on OP.

Pip is for people with disabilities who are between 16 and state pension age, attendance allowance is for those over state pension age

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 02/09/2024 20:17

ScreamingBeans · 17/07/2024 20:54

Watching this with interest as my mum is 89 with a stent in her heart and can't carry things so can't do shopping etc., takes ages to walk anywhere, but is still able to dress herself so guidance implies she's not eligible, even though if she were 30 years younger with this level of disability she'd be eligible for PIP.

I'm really baffled by benefits, how can you get PIP when you're 59 but with the same disability at 89 not be eligible for anything?

Let us know how you get on OP.

Your DM would be entitled if you fill the form correctly.

There’s a lot of inaccurate advice on this thread.

You describe the worst day.
You should go in to detail and repeat yourself.
I’ve worked in benefits, assessed them and helped people claim for them.
My own DM receives AA for arthritis and mobility issues only.

You specify the task, how long it takes, the pain involved etc.
Does she use aids to dress herself or only buy certain clothing, without buttons/zips, slip on shoes, perhaps she can’t wear socks because she can’t reach. Does she fall? Has she been injured? Does she takes meds?

@Pearl97 You ask for a mandatory reconsideration in the first instance.

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/09/2024 19:58

In case it’s useful to anyone else - fill in describing her needs, even if her needs have been fulfilled. If she can’t get upstairs, say that. Don’t think “well, she’s got a stairlift so stairs aren’t a problem”.

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/09/2024 19:55

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orangetree1999 · 02/09/2024 17:55

Quick update - filled all the forms in a couple of weeks ago. Decision will take 12 weeks.
Will update then in case this is useful for anyone else.

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Thedayb4youcame · 19/07/2024 23:08

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 19/07/2024 23:07

I'm used to filling out forms, I found it difficult and it took me hours like I said. I don't think it was excessive,I know people who don't even bother and give up as it's too hard. I have taken copies of every page so in 3 years it should be slightly easier unless of course they change to form.

I did only say "seems" excessive, not "was" excessive...they certainly want details.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 19/07/2024 23:07

Thedayb4youcame · 19/07/2024 21:32

I would agree this seems excessive, however, as I described in my PP, my situation was an example of how not saying enough got my MIL refused. There is a balance I guess.

I'm used to filling out forms, I found it difficult and it took me hours like I said. I don't think it was excessive,I know people who don't even bother and give up as it's too hard. I have taken copies of every page so in 3 years it should be slightly easier unless of course they change to form.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 19/07/2024 23:02

MereDintofPandiculation · 19/07/2024 18:09

That would be benefit fraud.

It has to be a reasonably regular "bad day", not the one day last year when for some reason she was finding things really difficult which she usually does without difficulty.

Unfortunately she has lots of them so it isn't benefit fraud.

Thedayb4youcame · 19/07/2024 21:55

Pearl97 · 19/07/2024 21:36

Mum mum was denied it as she doesn’t need personal care. Did people appeal?

I don't remember it being an "appeal" as such, more that there were instructions telling us we (anyone) could apply again, with no time barrier.

Pearl97 · 19/07/2024 21:36

Mum mum was denied it as she doesn’t need personal care. Did people appeal?

Thedayb4youcame · 19/07/2024 21:32

DragonFly98 · 19/07/2024 21:30

Completely unnecessary and bad advice. No wonder it took you 10 hours! You do not need a lot of detail at all.

I would agree this seems excessive, however, as I described in my PP, my situation was an example of how not saying enough got my MIL refused. There is a balance I guess.

DragonFly98 · 19/07/2024 21:30

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 17/07/2024 19:44

The form is long, took me 10 hrs to fill it out properly for my mum. Send photo copies of hospital notes/prescriptions etc. Go into a lot of details even though they give you a tiny box to write in - just attach an extra page. The form was as thick as the Bible by the time I'd finished.

Completely unnecessary and bad advice. No wonder it took you 10 hours! You do not need a lot of detail at all.

Thedayb4youcame · 19/07/2024 21:27

@MereDintofPandiculation don't do it on the basis of that day last February when she was going down with a cold, and hadn't slept all night and was finding everything particularly difficult.

Nobody was suggesting that at all. Only you.

The forms advise you to describe the current situation, and PP's were saying to describe the "worst" of the days in the present time, not one specific day in the past when they were particularly off.

MereDintofPandiculation · 19/07/2024 18:23

Ex SW reminded me that "a need that is met is still a need". So if she gets Meals on Wheels and never has to cook, still put down that she is unable to prepare meals (and why). I also put in that he couldn't carry a plate from work surface to table. just slid it along the worksurface to where he wanted to eat.

Put everything in where it is relevant, even if you repeat yourself. For example, if she can't stand unaided, then put this in when you're talking about washing and showering, preparing meals. getting undressed for bed.

Go through every bit of the day in detail. She may be able to wash, but can she hold her arms above her head to wash her hair?

And remember what you do for her - do you have to get her medicines for her? Organise them into a daily pill box? Remeing her to have her lunch?

Don't take the "worst day" too literally. Describe the needs on the bad days, even when there are days when she can manage (remember the only way now is down). But don't do it on the basis of that day last February when she was going down with a cold, and hadn't slept all night and was finding everything particularly difficult.

MereDintofPandiculation · 19/07/2024 18:11

ScreamingBeans · 17/07/2024 20:54

Watching this with interest as my mum is 89 with a stent in her heart and can't carry things so can't do shopping etc., takes ages to walk anywhere, but is still able to dress herself so guidance implies she's not eligible, even though if she were 30 years younger with this level of disability she'd be eligible for PIP.

I'm really baffled by benefits, how can you get PIP when you're 59 but with the same disability at 89 not be eligible for anything?

Let us know how you get on OP.

Because most 89 year olds have some difficulties and they don't want to give it to everyone.

MereDintofPandiculation · 19/07/2024 18:09

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 17/07/2024 20:43

Definitely this, absolute worst day.

That would be benefit fraud.

It has to be a reasonably regular "bad day", not the one day last year when for some reason she was finding things really difficult which she usually does without difficulty.