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Feeling constantly guilty about my mum--how to cope?

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questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 16:00

I've name changed for this.

Question to fellow mumsnetters about how to be with my mum.

A bit of background. My mum is 66 and I am 41. She lives abroad and I live in the EU now. I am a single child and my parents were very helpful to me when I was a university studentthey supported me to study in the UK at a great financial cost to them. They also helped with childcare when my son was smallnot for free, we paid them a childminder's salary, plus foreign holidays, eating out and a cleaner for them, but it made life much easier for us knowing our son was well looked after.

My dad passed away 4 years ago and since then I really struggled being an only close relative to my mum. I organise and pay for her to visit us 2 times a year (1 month each time), usually around summer and Christmas. But she doesn't think this is enough and asked me to arrange a permanent residency for her in my country and to buy her a flat. I agreed to this, but again this will involve substantial cost and time from my side.

The problem is that my children don't really like her. They never want to speak to her on Skype / phone and she gets really upset. This is mainly because she doesn't respect their boundaries at all when she visits and likes to impose her own rules (small example--my son would ask her not to clean his computer, she would do it anyway with a spray that is not suitable etc). My DH tries his best to be neutral.

I call her 3 times a week for a chat, and each times she complains about how lonely she is, how small her pension is (she has personal savings but doesn't like spending them), how I'm not getting on with her residency permit fast enough, today she said that "I'll probably die on my own because you don't need me" and burst into tears because my son wouldn't speak to her and "she brought him up". She thinks I "allow" my children to be horrible to her.

I struggle with my own mental health and find it really difficult to speak to her because every time she tries to guilt trip me about something. Ideally I would go NC, but I feel sad for her because I'm her only child and the healthcare in her country isn't great and I'd like her to be well cared for in her old age.

I think ideally she wants to live with us and help with the children but we don't want that.

Does anyone have parents like this and how do you cope? Thank you for reading.

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Inthedarkhere · 08/07/2024 18:31

Look at this way, she did her best for you when you were a child. That's what parents do. She's been well rewarded for the support she gave to you and your husband when your kids were smaller. There is no debt there, you don't owe her anything you really don't. The fact your kids don't like her speaks volumes. Your duty lies now with continuing to be a good mum and keep yours at arm's length.

questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 18:16

@IDoNotIntroduceTheLog

because she (and I) don’t want her savings to be depleted. To be honest, this is not a major problem.

”bog standard parenting”. This has made me laugh! She always made me feel like her parenting has been exceptional and above and beyond. “We were working hard paying for your education when our friends were buying fancy cars”

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IDoNotIntroduceTheLog · 08/07/2024 18:11

I feel I owe her because she was there for me at critical points of my life when I needed help.

That's just bog standard parenting.

IDoNotIntroduceTheLog · 08/07/2024 18:10

questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 17:49

@IDoNotIntroduceTheLog she has savings which will last at least 15 years. And yes the residency is likely to be approved, my country allows family reunification with parents.

So why are you having to arrange and pay for her move??

Tell her you can't afford it.

questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 18:02

@CeruleanDive I think this is a very good point about “future life” versus “actual life”. It is making it more difficult for all of us at the moment.

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CeruleanDive · 08/07/2024 17:59

You'd be doing her - and you - a favour by being bluntly honest. At the moment it's easy for her to put her life on hold until her desired life starts with (or near) you. She has no need to socialise and create more of a life where she is while she has this fantasy future.

Decide what works for you, and tell her. I'm sure she won't be at all happy at first, but it pulls you all out of limbo.

eg if she moves she will be welcome to visit for x days every xx, phone call once a week from now onwards...

Otherwise if she moved she will try to live with you in all but name. I don't think your DH can stay neutral in this. He needs to fully support you in setting firm boundaries.

Gymmum82 · 08/07/2024 17:54

I realise she spent a lot on educating you in another country but this is what you do as a parent for your children. You don’t expect your children to buy you a flat and move them to their country of residence.
Unless you have bucket loads of money your priorities should be your children and if you are funding your mother you are essentially taking from them.

Added to that she has no respect for your children and her moving would make everyone’s lives significantly worse. I would lessen the contact and make it clear moving is not an option

questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 17:49

@IDoNotIntroduceTheLog she has savings which will last at least 15 years. And yes the residency is likely to be approved, my country allows family reunification with parents.

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questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 17:47

@Biggleslefae This is mainly due to healthcare in my country being much better. She would be moving to a seaside town about an hour train journey from us, so not super close.

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questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 17:45

@EmotionalBlackmail thats good to hear that she has an active social life!

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Biggleslefae · 08/07/2024 17:40

asked me to arrange a permanent residency for her in my country and to buy her a flat. I agreed to this, but again this will involve substantial cost and time from my side
OP, you are in complete control of what happens with the residency. She is trying to work everything to her advantage. You should be doing the same, tell her you are working on it but dont actually do anything.
Why would you invest time effort & money in something that will make your & your children's lives worse?

DisforDarkChocolate · 08/07/2024 17:35

The only advantage you have here is that she doesn't live near to you. I wouldn't surrender that because if she moves close to you this will be far worse. Every birthday, Christmas, holiday, celebration. All with your mother @questionaboutmum1

Orangesandlemons77 · 08/07/2024 17:35

I'd really question whether he moving to your country is the best thing tbh. She might focus win you completely as wouldn't know anyone else.

Might be better staying where she is, and also I'd cut down calls to say once a week, / low contact.

EmotionalBlackmail · 08/07/2024 17:30

YES! She has a far more active social life than I do! There was another thread on here a while ago from someone who'd got into the habit of having a widowed mother to stay every single weekend and now couldn't get out of the habit!

Mine's still really annoying and drives me mad but at least I'm no longer seeing her all the time. I'd go mad if she visited for a month at a time!

Boundaries-wise, use your phone settings so it doesn't ring through unless you choose to take the call. I don't answer mine during working or commuting hours. If you don't even answer then there's no conversation to be had.

thesandwich · 08/07/2024 17:30

A life changer for me was the realisation that I was not responsible for my mothers happiness. Neither are you.

IDoNotIntroduceTheLog · 08/07/2024 17:29

Is the residency permit likely to be approved?

How does she intend to support herself if she moves near you?

Biggleslefae · 08/07/2024 17:28

isthewashingdryyet · 08/07/2024 17:18

I shook for about an hour after the first time, and ate a lot of chocolate that I had already bought specially for the purpose. But it worked, and she apologised on the Friday and never did it again.
Your mum has a lot to lose, if she loses your goodwill, so be aware who has the power 🍫

This is very true OP.
She needs you way WAY WAY more than you need her, and yet she's got you on the back foot.
You have to stand up to her, quietly and calmly stop giving in to her. Quietly and calmly nudge her into backing down.

questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 17:23

@EmotionalBlackmail and did this find her own feet in the end?

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EmotionalBlackmail · 08/07/2024 17:19

She's not elderly - she's of working age! Nip this one in the bud!

Someone who has lost their life partner is very lonely but you can't replace the life partner. Mine did this for a while (I was living with her) but I ended up moving 6 hours away so she had to find her own feet. Can you point her towards bereavement counselling and set some boundaries.

It was her choice to help with the kids - and seeing how they now are with her was it actually helpful or more for her benefit?

She could be out there working, volunteering and having a social life but she's choosing not to.

isthewashingdryyet · 08/07/2024 17:18

I shook for about an hour after the first time, and ate a lot of chocolate that I had already bought specially for the purpose. But it worked, and she apologised on the Friday and never did it again.
Your mum has a lot to lose, if she loses your goodwill, so be aware who has the power 🍫

Biggleslefae · 08/07/2024 17:17

She has trained you to defer to & obey her, you need to break the training!
It's not easy when you feel guilty but if you can sit with the guilt and face her down then she will have to be the one who backs down.

questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 17:14

@isthewashingdryyet i’m glad you found to the strength to do this! Sounds like it is definitely the right approach

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questionaboutmum1 · 08/07/2024 17:13

@FadedRed thanks so much for the link, I will read through!

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FadedRed · 08/07/2024 17:12

Have you heard of ‘the Stately Homes’ thread in Relationships? If you haven’t , then you will find a lot in it to help you through the FOG (Fear.
obligation, guilt) that you are in with your demanding mother.
Hope that you can get some clarity, Op, it’s not an easy place to be. 💐
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5032064-march-2024-but-we-took-you-to-stately-homes?page=1

March 2024 - But we took you to stately homes | Mumsnet

Welcome to the Stately Homes Thread. This is a long running thread which was originally started up by 'pages' back in December 2007) So this thread...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5032064-march-2024-but-we-took-you-to-stately-homes?page=1

isthewashingdryyet · 08/07/2024 17:11

Somebody gave it to me years ago, and my mum was astonished when I said, I told you I didn’t want to talk about that, so will go now. I will call on Friday as usual, bye bye, and down went the phone.

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