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Am I being overly sensitive about this comment?

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 10:23

I think maybe that I am but tbh I’m so exhausted from everything in my life that I’m questioning myself.

Quick background.

My parents are elderly (early 80’s). My sister and I both live very close to our parents (we are all in the same village). Dsis lives with her partner and I live with my dh and dc.

Mum has been unwell during the last 6 years. She was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s in 2018. She has heart disease, is bent over with osteoporosis and this year was diagnosed with breast cancer. Mum lives with dad. Mum’s dementia is obviously getting worse but she can drink and feed herself, is mobile, toilets herself and still recognises us etc but is obviously getting worse and will never get better. They have a carer for an hour every morning to help mum shower and dress.

My sister and I help out as much as we can. I help more as I work part time and my dsis works more hours.
I pop in on my parents around 5 days a week and will help them with as much as I can with their day to day living. Tbh, I have done too much over the years but handed some of it over to my sister a few months ago as it was getting too much and I had a small breakdown over the workload and my own health issues which I’m struggling with atm.

My father is not always an easy man, he puts a lot of stumbling blocks in the way and can make our lives quite tricky and says no to a lot of suggestions for things which could make his and our lives easier but I do what I can because of my mum, she was a great mother.
But it is bloody hard work juggling my own life and theirs. Not made any easier by the fact dad has hundreds of thousands in the bank but refuses to pay out for many things, he seems to be from an era where he believes family should help out. As I say, I do all I can for them. My sister goes round about twice a week. One of these days she cleans (sometimes it’s once a week, sometimes once a fortnight). I refuse to clean a) because I despise cleaning and b)I’m not cleaning my parents house when they have £400k sitting in the bank, dad can easily afford a weekly cleaner but refuses.

To give dad a break and stimulation for my mum she goes to a day centre twice a week for afternoon sessions (12-3pm). I make her a packed lunch for these two days (which I pay for myself as dad has never offered to reimburse me). Currently, one of these days my dad takes and collects mum as I’m having counselling atm but when that’s finished in a few weeks I have offered to take her. The other day I usually take or collect her or do both so to give dad a few hours to himself.

So on to the issue which has upset me. This week we had mum’s usual 3 month review with the day centre. I always attend with dad as he likes the support. My sister is never offered to come and that’s her prerogative.

So we were chatting away and the day center carer said to dad that it must be nice for him to have a few hours to himself every week to do his own thing. He replied ‘Well, yes and no. By the time I’ve dropped her off it’s basically time to come back’. He never mentioned that at least one of these days per week I do the dropping off/picking up but I didn’t say anything.
She then said how difficult it must be for him to do everything himself. I gently added, ‘Well, we (dsis and I) do help as much as we can for you, don’t we dad?’. He replied ‘Yes, I have two daughters, one cleans for me and the other (looked at me smirking)….doesn’t!’. (My sister has always been his favourite child and can never do wrong).
I kind of laughed and replied ‘No but I do lots of other things to help you though don’t I?’ He then looked at me and said ‘Pfff, you? Help? What do you do? A few sandwich’s??’.

The lady looked uncomfortable at that remark and I felt so upset. It looked as though I do sod all for them when the truth is that I do everything I can to help my parents as I know my dad struggles to accept my mum’s diagnosis and their future and I hate seeing them both struggle.

I couldn’t help myself, when we came out I turned him and said that comment really hurt me and made me look as though I do nothing to help you and that couldn’t be further from the truth. He replied that I was being too sensitive and it was ‘just a joke’. I said but it’s not a joke, it was personal and hurt. He wouldn’t accept that and said I was being silly. He has form for being sharp tongued and taking the piss out of people, he spent his whole career in a male dominated industry where everyone took the piss out off each other and that mentality has never left him, he still does this to people and he has zero idea how much he hurts people or pisses them off.

Maybe I am being super sensitive but dealing with elderly parents and dementia is bloody hard work and tbh I don’t see it as a joke not at all. And he never seems to appreciate what we do for him, especially anything I do.

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 12:56

Thank you AppleCream

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 12:53

We’re also taken for granted because it starts with ‘it’s no trouble…’ because buying a few extra groceries wasn’t much trouble… and I’d have visited anyway… it’s just a lift here and there… making a couple of phone calls. But slowly, slowly, then lightning fast you’re running a second household and phoning all the services between trying to do what you can to get all the additional needs met. Yet somehow you’re the bad guy and in front of you they tell the services that they can manage fine and they don’t get any help

This is exactly what has happened. I started doing a few things in lockdown then as that progressed it was a little more, then a few extra things. Next thing you know I’m doing all their life admin, organising and sitting on all hospital and medical appointments, sitting with dad on his finance and bank appointments with him, forever on phone calls for them, washing their clothes, changing their bedsheets (stuff dad is still more than capable of doing but just doesn’t see it as his job to do so), washing mums hair, cutting her nails, taking her to the day centre, making her sandwich’s because dad doesn’t really want to pay the £6 for the cooked lunch they offer………..

And sadly, it is having a negative ripple into my own family’s life. I have heated discussions with dh about it because he thinks my dad is a self arsehole and I need to do less but I feel torn between the two of them and the stress has caused me so many physical issues that I no longer want to go out or socialise as I feel dreadful half the time and all my teens hear about is me moaning about their grandad (who also constantly moans about them saying they hardly go to see him anymore, is it any wonder?).

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AppleCream · 05/07/2024 12:52

You are not being over sensitive OP. That was an awful, ungrateful comment. I hope you're ok Flowers

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 12:48

@unsync utter respect. Can totally see how it stings. Do you have anything to give you some joy in life just for you?

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 12:38

unsync · 05/07/2024 12:15

I feel your pain @Theyearwas1973 There's a lack of appreciation and understanding.

I'm live in for my elderly parent. I do everything and organise the things I don't do personally. Literally every single thing is done by me. I have been told that I don't do anything. I could be living independently, with an income and pension contributions and a social life and a pet. I know I chose this as I promised the parent that died that remaining parent would be looked after, but it still stings.

You have nothing but my utmost respect. I do hope you have some time for a life of your own though.

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 12:37

PeachPairPlum · 05/07/2024 11:49

To put it in perspective op - what did he do for his own parents? Was he an ever dutiful Son?

Very little.
He saw his mum maybe once a week, even when she was struggling with bowel cancer. He is an only child so Nan had no other children to help her.

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FiniteSagacity · 05/07/2024 12:36

Elderly parents also don’t like that your help makes them feel old/weak/stupid and so they seem to attack you for helping because it makes their own failings and bad decisions real and in their face.

They also seem to value care (and bloody house repairs) so little that they don’t want to pay out for outside help.

We’re also taken for granted because it starts with ‘it’s no trouble…’ because buying a few extra groceries wasn’t much trouble… and I’d have visited anyway… it’s just a lift here and there… making a couple of phone calls. But slowly, slowly, then lightning fast you’re running a second household and phoning all the services between trying to do what you can to get all the additional needs met. Yet somehow you’re the bad guy and in front of you they tell the services that they can manage fine and they don’t get any help.

Someone wise on MN recently said that it doesn’t just impact on you, but also on those around you. Your child who isn’t getting your time and attention, your partner, your colleagues. It is exhausting and you have to have boundaries - don’t feel guilty for what you can’t do - decide what you can do (if anything) and limit it to that and give priority to the people who do appreciate you.

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 12:35

Thank you, everyone. I’m obviously not going crazy, I’m genuinely doubting myself all the time these days.

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rookiemere · 05/07/2024 12:21

So next time the three month review comes up you tell him he goes on his own, that he upset you so much at the last ones with his unfair comments that you refuse to accompany him. To be honest you should have walked out when he said you did nothing, so he actually knew what nothing looks like.

unsync · 05/07/2024 12:15

I feel your pain @Theyearwas1973 There's a lack of appreciation and understanding.

I'm live in for my elderly parent. I do everything and organise the things I don't do personally. Literally every single thing is done by me. I have been told that I don't do anything. I could be living independently, with an income and pension contributions and a social life and a pet. I know I chose this as I promised the parent that died that remaining parent would be looked after, but it still stings.

CrotchetyQuaver · 05/07/2024 11:54

You are not being over sensitive and I would withdraw all support, focus on yourself and your own family and leave him to it.

Visit your mother by all means but do not lift a finger whilst you're there. Tell him why and let him work the rest out for himself. Silly old man.

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 11:53

@honeylulu spot on about the parent thinking the (adult) child is inferior. As one of 3 I have always been the one they see as inferior. I am quiet and perhaps didn’t fill every social interaction with frankly ‘hot air and BS’ in the case of our DB. Yet our parents always lauded him as ‘so important’ in his job; actually he sounded and still does like a somewhat incompetent bully. As my Dc grew up I had never made any comments about what they might do and succeeded in getting into careers they really wanted all I heard from our parents about our DB kids was that it was the fault of the school/government etc that his kids couldn’t achieve their dreams. In truth their dreams were ridiculous and fuelled by DB. Actually all the kids had the same schooling, same colleges and lived in the same areas so that is rubbish. I often feel I can’t celebrate my DC hard graft and success as my DM just keeps saying ‘it’s so hard for young people’ as in my DB kids. I am definitely not worthy of any praise for anything I do or have done. Just endless criticism. Exhausting

PeachPairPlum · 05/07/2024 11:49

To put it in perspective op - what did he do for his own parents? Was he an ever dutiful Son?

honeylulu · 05/07/2024 11:42

So tough for you OP. A little appreciation and acknowledgement would make a huge difference to how you feel I bet.

Does he seem to express appreciation for your sister/ the favourite? If so this is just a continuation of the golden child/scapegoat roles. The parent is so adamant that the children child is better and more worthy of praise that their input is bigged up and they close their eyes to the scapegoat child's input.

I noted your comment about him just not seeming able to show appreciation though it's not a matter of pride. For my parents I think they just consider me inferior and not worthy of thanks or praise.

Good for you for pulling back though don't be surprised if it gives him another "stick to beat you with".

Jellycats4life · 05/07/2024 11:33

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 11:13

We must have the same parents.
This has literally been our battle for years too. My parents had put absolutely nothing in place for their future. They live in a very large, 100 year old house which is totally unsuitable for them. They mocked my in-laws for downsizing and paying in advance for their funeral etc. My dh has zero issues with his father and didn’t have any problems when his poor mum passed away a few years ago as everything had been put in place and settled in advance.
My parents on the other hand………

Ugh this is so familiar. FIL spent the last 30 years squirrelling money away in the bank, never to be spent, whilst letting his house go to wrack and ruin around him.

When he suddenly fell ill last summer, that’s when he told MIL that she should look into having a downstairs bathroom installed. Well it was too bloody late. They had to rush through a will and POA too, because absolutely nothing was in place.

Now MIL is a widow and the house is completely unsuitable for her, in an awful state. It’s not even worth spending the immense amount of money required to get it in a decent condition, because she isn’t likely to feel the benefit. Keep hinting that she should be open to the idea of downsizing but I’m not sure if she will.

As for your dad @Theyearwas1973 unfortunately it’s a case of once a bully, always a bully. Age doesn’t soften them.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 05/07/2024 11:31

I'd step back. Next time you speak to him I'd be making the comment ' let me know when you want me to come round and make some sandwiches'.

blackandwhitestripes · 05/07/2024 11:25

What a nasty piece of work, your poor mum. I'd be pulling right back on any support.

It's hard as I know that will impact on mum but he needs to help himself more and like you say pay for help and cleaners etc.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 05/07/2024 11:24

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 10:38

Thank you.
Tbh, I have pulled back from what I was doing which was literally everything and I don’t think he likes it, he’s been snippy with me every since.
It’s so darn hard finding the right balance. I want to help especially for my dear mum’s sake but I can’t lose my mind over this and do everything for him. He really doesn’t seem to appreciate just what we do and can’t find it in him to actually say thanks.
A couple of weeks ago I stood for 6 hours in A&E with him and mum when mum collapsed. The place was full of old people all on their own, most looked so lost and bewildered with no family or friends to advocate for them. He just couldn’t say thank you. I have no idea why it is so difficult for him, he’s never been a particularly proud man so it’s not that. Just wish he wasn’t so bloody mean spirited all the time.

That’d be it for me for a while. I’d be ‘too ill’ to help out. He is a rude idiot.

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 11:22

@Theyearwas1973 sounds exactly like my DH and his parents. Moved years ago to a really delightful manageable place which they maintain so it is really easy to look after but still a lovely space. They have a cleaner, gardening they manage themselves with a guy coming in every quarter to do the big jobs. Mine though….literally like yours and as you said mocked people. DF is now safe in a nursing facility - all being paid for as we secured CHC (continuing healthcare ). Even when we secured the CHC DM was not happy. Baffling. DM has picked off every relative neighbour and friend by her rudeness so everyone has backed off. She refused to let in a gardener we secured. The cleaner who came a few times decided to decline the job, even though we offered to double the rate. Yes my DM perhaps is struggling but at the same time absolutely defiantly tells us every suggestion to make life easier/nicer ‘isn’t what she wants’. It feels like as she is miserable with her lot we all have to be as well. Reality is she has always been that way so unlikely to change at this stage. Nothing is ever right. Also we know she does not have dementia we have had every test going.

WhatHaveIFound · 05/07/2024 11:20

You're absolutely not being overly sensitive and comments like this hurt. It sounds like you need to step back for the sake of your own mental health.

Maybe some older people just bury their heads in the sand when it comes to making changes when aging? I would point out how much he could make their lives easier if he paid for a little help instead of relying on you and your sister.

I sat in on numerous medical appointments when my mum has said that she has no family to help out. Eventually I just snapped and pointed out how much I was doing for her and dad. She looked embarrassed but didn't apologise.

It made me take a step back for a while but I still got dragged back in. These days I do get a very brief 'thank you' for after most visits and I recently heard that she was singing my praises to my sister (living overseas) but there's never any real appreciation.

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 11:16

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 05/07/2024 10:56

He doesn’t have dementia. You are allowed to tell him he’s behaving badly and that as you don’t do anything for him then he won’t notice if you stop.

And stop.

Find ways to help your mum that aren’t about helping him. Take her out, if that’s something she’d enjoy.

I have gently tried to tell him he’s being unreasonable at times but he just shouts at me that ‘He’s 82’ and that I have zero idea what he’s dealing with.
Well, if I genuinely didn’t then I wouldn’t be spending half my life fretting and worrying about them. No, the truth is that he has zero idea how their predicament is driving me to insanity.
But, of course, I’m just being over sensitive!

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 11:13

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 11:06

The guilt is overwhelming BUT stop and think for a moment. You may feel guilty but you are NOT guilty. The guilt should sit with our elderly parents, often as with yours and mine with ample funds to employ professional assistance or have made sensible adaptations and arrangements to ‘future proof’ themselves. Mine just buried their heads in the sand about 20 years ago - literally mocking their peers who were downsizing or adapting their homes to ensure they could stay in the home they have always lived in. Every single suggestion made to adapt was met with utter derision as though we were a little bit ‘stupid’ that a downstairs bathroom might be a good idea. Every single suggestion that advice from medical professionals about proper care was met with derision. Yes this could have been a fear of aging and death on their part, however in my case it was simply either naive arrogance that they would never need outside help or frankly some kind of defiance disorder that they ‘knew better’ and when we need help the ‘family will rally’. No thought to the fact we are not all sat around with no lives of our own to lead, challenges ourselves, health issues, our own DC and grandchildren to care for. To anyone flaming those of us as not caring - trust me it takes incredible energy and is exhausting trying to help defiant, stubborn elderly parents.

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We must have the same parents.
This has literally been our battle for years too. My parents had put absolutely nothing in place for their future. They live in a very large, 100 year old house which is totally unsuitable for them. They mocked my in-laws for downsizing and paying in advance for their funeral etc. My dh has zero issues with his father and didn’t have any problems when his poor mum passed away a few years ago as everything had been put in place and settled in advance.
My parents on the other hand………

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CeruleanDive · 05/07/2024 11:08

He sounds vile. I would look after your mum, and tell him that as your help is of no value to him, you will not be doing the same for him, once your DM has passed.

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 11:06

The guilt is overwhelming BUT stop and think for a moment. You may feel guilty but you are NOT guilty. The guilt should sit with our elderly parents, often as with yours and mine with ample funds to employ professional assistance or have made sensible adaptations and arrangements to ‘future proof’ themselves. Mine just buried their heads in the sand about 20 years ago - literally mocking their peers who were downsizing or adapting their homes to ensure they could stay in the home they have always lived in. Every single suggestion made to adapt was met with utter derision as though we were a little bit ‘stupid’ that a downstairs bathroom might be a good idea. Every single suggestion that advice from medical professionals about proper care was met with derision. Yes this could have been a fear of aging and death on their part, however in my case it was simply either naive arrogance that they would never need outside help or frankly some kind of defiance disorder that they ‘knew better’ and when we need help the ‘family will rally’. No thought to the fact we are not all sat around with no lives of our own to lead, challenges ourselves, health issues, our own DC and grandchildren to care for. To anyone flaming those of us as not caring - trust me it takes incredible energy and is exhausting trying to help defiant, stubborn elderly parents.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 05/07/2024 10:58

I d also throw in the occasional passive aggressive- ‘if only you could afford a cleaner’.

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