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Worried! Mum to be discharged home after stroke

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EMGEMG · 02/06/2024 01:42

My mum is 77 and suffered a massive stroke in February. She's due to be discharged home after her referral to residential rehab was rejected 😔

She's unable to stand alone, is doubly incontinent, is fed via a stomach tube, and is now a wheelchair user. Her speech is slowly coming back and sensation is returning to her paralysed side.

There are glimmers of light at the end of a nightmare 4 months. She's a fighter and naturally we hope for ongoing slow improvements with ongoing physio.

Luckily I live nearby. Mum lives with my step dad.

Has anyone done through anything similar in terms of discharge? What advice would you give? Do's and don'ts?

please be kind

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TraitorsGate · 03/06/2024 10:11

Ask the ward to carry out a chc assessment, you can also find it online to read to give yourself an idea of what it involves. He shouldn't need to sell the flat, how old is he, are they married, who owns the flat. You can also ask about reablement which is up to 6 weeks funded care if she does need to contribute. There is also funded nursing care and attendance allowance available for self funding residents if she would benefit from time in a carehome. If everyone agrees she can go home then the ot can make arrangements for any equipment which they order and provide and the discharge worker and nurse will co ordinate everything else. It's important that she doesn't go home until everything is in place, that she and sd are happy and she is safe. Does anyone have power of attorney for her.

Noras · 03/06/2024 09:57

Sounds like there are some strong arguments for CHC eg strong skin care needs, mood after stroke, risk of TIA etc

Learn the domains of CHC as you might need to know this going forwards. CHC at home is not that good u less in terminal decline and a care home might be better. I would refuse to move her until a full CHC assessment made.

MereDintofPandiculation · 03/06/2024 09:48

Noshferatu · 03/06/2024 08:28

Not sure the sale of the flat can be forced when there’s another adult living in it?

Partner over 65. So if he’s over 65 and has some stake in the flat he should be OK

Slugsandsnailsresidehere · 03/06/2024 08:52

In a very similar medical situation (10 yrs ago) we applied for CHC for DM and got it. It certainly helped with nursing home fees.

EmotionalBlackmail · 03/06/2024 08:38

Why would your step-dad have to sell the flat? The value of housing can't be taken into consideration for paying for care if the person's partner is living there.

www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/care/paying-for-care/paying-for-a-care-home/do-i-have-to-sell-my-home-to-pay-for-care/

EMGEMG · 03/06/2024 08:34

Hairyfairy01 · 02/06/2024 20:48

Your mum sounds like she is doing really well, all things considering if she can use a Sara stedy with one person. It's also lovely that you want her home. Yes be clear about what you can and cannot help with, occupational therapy may be able to recommend some major adaptions but this takes time (or private funding). People can make gains years after a stroke but they tend to be slow and it's a bumpy road. Take any care you can get, you can always reduce it if needed.

You have no idea how much I needed to read tour supportive words this morning. I'm immersed in the 'how bad can we make this sound' from a benefits and care package perspective that it feels like the end of the world right now. So thank you 😊

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Noshferatu · 03/06/2024 08:28

Not sure the sale of the flat can be forced when there’s another adult living in it?

EMGEMG · 03/06/2024 08:24

Redburnett · 02/06/2024 20:56

You might want to involve the discharge team and hospital social workers and discuss a nursing home as it sounds as though it would be very difficult to meet her needs at home.

The whole process is very scary and stressful so it's hard to think clearly. My step-dad will have to sell their flat, leaving him with nowhere to live - I'm not sure what the process is for housing older people made homeless to pay for care homes, but I imagine it's going to be awful.

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EMGEMG · 03/06/2024 08:21

Kitkat1523 · 02/06/2024 19:01

Maybe she doesn’t….but no way will she be eligible for CHC

My SIL is an OT and she has said that based on my mum's complex condition, we should go for an assessment. So we'll be doing that.

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reesewithoutaspoon · 02/06/2024 22:58

Your mum would need someone with her 24 hours a day with those care needs. If she isn't fully mobile and doubly incontinent then she will be at high risk for bed sores and skin breakdown and will need turning during the night and changing promptly if she soils herself.
I wouldn't be in a rush to discharge her unless you have a good care package in place or you will be on your knees with exhaustion within a few weeks.

Redburnett · 02/06/2024 20:56

You might want to involve the discharge team and hospital social workers and discuss a nursing home as it sounds as though it would be very difficult to meet her needs at home.

Hairyfairy01 · 02/06/2024 20:48

Your mum sounds like she is doing really well, all things considering if she can use a Sara stedy with one person. It's also lovely that you want her home. Yes be clear about what you can and cannot help with, occupational therapy may be able to recommend some major adaptions but this takes time (or private funding). People can make gains years after a stroke but they tend to be slow and it's a bumpy road. Take any care you can get, you can always reduce it if needed.

EmotionalBlackmail · 02/06/2024 20:37

It's the sort of stuff that's doable for a weekend. Manageable for a week or two. Because you've thrown everything at it.

And 3-4 weeks in you're dropping with exhaustion, totally overwhelmed and it's far far harder to get any more support because the person is at home.

EmotionalBlackmail · 02/06/2024 20:35

By 'throwing everything at it' I meant to take the long view and consider what's sustainable for you long term and what you can physically and practically manage.

I made the mistake of focussing entirely on getting the person home, had absolutely no idea what caring for a bed-bound doubly incontinent adult who wasn't aware of much and needed hoisting involved. And naively thought 4x care visits a day (2 carers each time) would cover everything. I had no idea someone would need to be with him all the time, that that meant even getting shopping and meal prep done (and turning everything into puree) would become a major logistical operation. The same with washing, feeding, moving. Them needing to go the toilet never coincided with a carer visit. It was impossible to do anything else, barely time to eat a meal or make sure I'd got clean clothes myself, let alone do something like exercise or work!

EMGEMG · 02/06/2024 20:33

Kitkat1523 · 02/06/2024 19:01

Maybe she doesn’t….but no way will she be eligible for CHC

She doesn't want to be in bed all the time - she can use a Sara Stedy with one person helping to transfer on to a wheel chair.

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EMGEMG · 02/06/2024 20:25

Soontobe60 · 02/06/2024 19:20

This doesn’t sound like they don’t want her, rather that they cannot meet her needs as they re so severe. That doesn’t mean they will send her home though.
You need to wait until the MDT meeting to see exactly what they are proposing. It may be that she will end up in a nursing home rather than rehab.

We have discussed this already with the MDT - the family wants her to go home. She wants to go home too.

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PermanentTemporary · 02/06/2024 19:50

Fatigue is a very real part of life after stroke. I work in a therapy team for stroke survivors and I don't know anyone we work with who doesn't deal with significant fatigue. That can mean in the early days that they don't tolerate long therapy sessions, and when just getting up, washed and fed are major operations it can be a huge barrier to lots of therapy. I agree that a realistic view of the future is important.

TraitorsGate · 02/06/2024 19:37

Sometimes rehab is rejected if they feel the person doesn't have rehab potential and won't benefit from it, there should be a stroke team who can advise you about the realistic future so she gets the care she needs.

Soontobe60 · 02/06/2024 19:20

EMGEMG · 02/06/2024 19:10

Thanks.
The rehab unit rejected the referral as they said she wouldn't tolerate the intensive physio and SALT taking place each day. She does experience fatigue every few weeks, but I have a feeling it's probably because she's still in hospital and has a catheter. I'd like her to receive physio at home (we'd need to pay for that as it won't be funded when the initial care package ends) and see if we can get her into a funded rehab facility via a referral.

This doesn’t sound like they don’t want her, rather that they cannot meet her needs as they re so severe. That doesn’t mean they will send her home though.
You need to wait until the MDT meeting to see exactly what they are proposing. It may be that she will end up in a nursing home rather than rehab.

Kayjay2018 · 02/06/2024 19:14

My advice would be to see if you could speak with someone from one of the Stroke charities. There is some information here:

www.stroke.org.uk/stroke/support/caring-for-a-stroke-survivor

Age uk may also be able to talk about what support and any benefits can be claimed

EMGEMG · 02/06/2024 19:10

Kitkat1523 · 02/06/2024 19:03

make sure you attend the discharge planning meeting OP…l.if you have concerns about anything at all, tell them you want it recorded on the notes that you think it’s an unsafe discharge….. why is she not entitled to the free nhs 6 weeks in a rehab unit?

Thanks.
The rehab unit rejected the referral as they said she wouldn't tolerate the intensive physio and SALT taking place each day. She does experience fatigue every few weeks, but I have a feeling it's probably because she's still in hospital and has a catheter. I'd like her to receive physio at home (we'd need to pay for that as it won't be funded when the initial care package ends) and see if we can get her into a funded rehab facility via a referral.

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lostoldname · 02/06/2024 19:04

you have to be honest with yourself about what you can manage. Caring for someone who has even four lots of care calls a day is emotionally and physically draining. Will you father be able to look after her overnight. Could you get her to medical appointments. Can you drop everything at a minutes notice to go round to deal with emergencies.

Kitkat1523 · 02/06/2024 19:03

make sure you attend the discharge planning meeting OP…l.if you have concerns about anything at all, tell them you want it recorded on the notes that you think it’s an unsafe discharge….. why is she not entitled to the free nhs 6 weeks in a rehab unit?

Kitkat1523 · 02/06/2024 19:01

TraitorsGate · 02/06/2024 19:00

Maybe she doesn't want to be confined to bed and the family don't want to deal with feeding tube

Maybe she doesn’t….but no way will she be eligible for CHC

TraitorsGate · 02/06/2024 19:00

Luminousalumnus · 02/06/2024 18:57

Why do think she will be entitled to chc? It's easier to nurse a severely disabled person in bed, family will be trained to do the peg feeds. Thats all deemed social care. Likewise any communication or other therapies.

Maybe she doesn't want to be confined to bed and the family don't want to deal with feeding tube