Please or to access all these features

Elderly parents

Cleaning and personal hygiene

66 replies

DoggerFisher · 05/04/2024 11:29

TL:DR Is it normal for elderly people to let hygiene slip?

I'm not obsessive about cleaning, by any means; I think there are far more fun things to do, but equally I try to maintain some basic standards of hygiene. My dad is in his late eighties and has lived alone for around six years, since mum went into a home and subsequently died. He is of the generation where everything inside the home was the woman's job, so he's actually coped well with learning to cook, do the laundry etc. and even looks things up on YouTube sometimes. The issue is that he'll happily spend hours gardening, and just recently borrowed my jet washer to clean the patio, but his house is looking....grubby.

It's not Kim and Aggie territory - I mean things such as:

  • Kitchen surfaces always covered in food spills and crumbs (I've taught him several times how to clear them & clean periodically)
  • Urine stains all over toilet (boak)
  • Every surface having multiple framed photos / ornaments, which he never dusts
  • Hand rail at side of stairs filthy & unwashed
  • Crumbs and other bits all over the floors. (I swear to God, this is his superpower; he is the Incredible Crumb Making Man.)

He used to walk round very scruffily dressed until my niece and I arranged to take him clothes shopping, whereupon he found lots of lovely clothes in his wardrobe that he hadn't been wearing. I stayed overnight recently and discovered that there was no toothpaste in the house, and he hadn't cleaned his teeth for around a week. This particularly annoyed me as he had heart surgery a few years back, and his teeth were put in order beforehand so that there was no opportunity for bacteria from them to cause health problems.

He won't have a cleaner (I've asked), and if I do the cleaning he stands watching me, waving little T Rex arms in the way that men do, and saying, "I did that last week, Dogger," even though it's blindingly obvious that whatever it is hasn't been touched in months. I think he feels embarrassed when he sees me cleaning for him, but won't keep on top of things himself. I've tried a list of tasks for him, as it's a tiny house and a couple of hours' cleaning every week would be enough.

Do I just accept that he's happy to live in a grubby house and let his teeth decay? Do I go round every so often and do a deep clean whilst he faffs and annoys me? Or do I have a serious conversation about how things might change? If you've experienced this already (and got to the end of this post!), I'd be grateful for your advice.

OP posts:
SaltPorridge · 05/04/2024 12:21

Same with my lovely old relative. He can't see the dirt.
Doesn't want me to vacuum, says he has booked a cleaner/ she has just been/ that I am too fussy.
I was trying to overlook it.
Until the infestations.
I now have nightmares about insects and am washing everything at 60 degrees.
I try not to eat in the flat. I bring my own food and drink because there's a constant serious risk of e coli.
I need a large print book or poster called "Hygiene for the very old". i am sure someone has written it. just need tp find it.

suki1964 · 05/04/2024 12:17

Mum is the same, doesnt see dust, doesnt see dirty counter tops, dirty table and her bathroom is grosse

She lives with me , has her own bedroom, sitting room and bathroom. So yes I obviously i keep the kitchen and shared areas clean and whilst Ive the vaccum on I go in and do her floors, but I have to whizz in and out of her bathroom to get that hygienic when shes away getting her hair or feet done. She doesnt like me to do it, she thinks shes keeping up with it. Dust, she can live with that, she has too much clutter for me to be taking that on as well

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 05/04/2024 12:14

Some older people definitely get more stubborn as they get older. They also seem to want to do only what they want to do instead of what needs doing eg your father wanting to do the gardening not housework. I find myself going that way myself and I'm only in my sixties.
Also can view having help round the house as a sign of loss of agency and a lack of moral fibre, my own very fit mid eighties mother did when I suggested getting someone in to mow her huge lawns after my father died, even though by then I was doing them for her, she was still doing all the rest of the garden. It was seemingly fine for me to do it but getting someone in was just beyond the pale because they'd never needed help before( work that one out). It took me bursting into tears and saying I couldn't do it any more as well as my own for her to reluctantly agree.
As Quentin Crisp said, after 4 years the dust doesn't get worse. It won't harm your father even though it might look awful.
If he refuses a cleaner could you stick some bleach down the loo when you go round for hygiene. Otherwise let him have a dirty house, he's not bothered. Obviously if it becomes an actual health hazard you will need to be more vociferous about him getting help in.

LipstickLil · 05/04/2024 12:06

I'd be a bit wary of getting a Roomba for an elderly person. What if he tripped over it and injured himself?

I think focus on what's really important OP. A bit of dust isn't going to kill him, but not cleaning his teeth is obviously a bigger issue. I can't understand why he didn't notice that he didn't have any toothpaste though and go and get some! A week is a long time to go without cleaning your teeth. Is his memory okay? Does he make a shopping list?

Xylophonics · 05/04/2024 12:00

But yes I would say its fairly common for elderly ppl to let hygiene slip.

I think pick your battles. If he wants to live in a dirty house - fine. But make sure he has toothpaste / cleans his teeth , if that's possible.
As for the toilet - if it was me if would do a quick spray and wipe clean of that before using it.

TeaAndStrumpets · 05/04/2024 11:57

Kitchen and bathroom, I can see that. Maybe help him to declutter so he can easily wipe sides etc. You can bulk buy toothpaste very cheaply on Amazon so he never runs out. Forget the dust, it's unlikely to kill him.

Maybe he would like a Roomba? DH would never dust if left to himself, but loves the Roomba. He makes a big to-do about emptying, cleaning the brushes etc.

WhatHaveIFound · 05/04/2024 11:57

My mum's standards have definitely dropped from the immaculate home she insisted on when we were kids so maybe it's normal?

She doesn't clean in between the cleaner's fortnightly visits so every time I'm in the kitchen I start by cleaning all the surfaces and the hob/microwave (oven is beyond my abilities). She always says not to bother and that it doesn't need doing.

Would your dad let you organise a cleaner for him?

Xylophonics · 05/04/2024 11:56

DustyLee123 · 05/04/2024 11:37

My DF won’t clean, won’t have a cleaner, and I’m certainly not doing it for him, so he lives in a dirty house.

Same here 😒😆. I first suggested he get a cleaner back in the 90s.

shellyleppard · 05/04/2024 11:54

Diggerfisher yeah I get that. The older they are the more stubborn they become x

DoggerFisher · 05/04/2024 11:53

@shellyleppard he has more than enough money for a cleaner, but he doesn't like the idea of someone in the house.

OP posts:
DoggerFisher · 05/04/2024 11:51

@LipstickLil you make a good point about eyesight. Dad has very recently had cataract surgery on one eye, and the other will follow shortly. (He was also using cloth handkerchiefs yesterday despite very clear instructions from the nurse not to in case they cause infection, hence my concern about his personal hygiene.)

Maybe I should wait a few months until his eyesight is better & see if anything improves before tackling him about the cleaning.

OP posts:
shellyleppard · 05/04/2024 11:49

My dad is late 70's and exactly the same....he does give the house a good hoover once a fortnight. The dust tho.....🤢 But credit to him he's had to do absolutely everything when my mum was ill. I think people get set in their ways at a certain age. Maybe suggest a home help for a couple of hours a week??

LipstickLil · 05/04/2024 11:45

I think too by the time you get to your late 80s eyesight is not great and you miss a lot. My DM (mid 70s) just doesn't SEE a lot of filth that she used to. She's never exactly been house-proud and she hates the idea of a stranger in her house 'poking around' 🙄but her idea of cleaning the bathroom is not the same idea as mine! There is just dust EVERYWHERE and I don't think she sees it.

DoggerFisher · 05/04/2024 11:43

@Bigearringsbigsmile you could be right. Maybe I have to sit him down and have a conversation - is it me (who works FT & lives 30 miles away), or a cleaner? I just get so frustrated that he has boundless energy for gardening & won't even push the vacuum round once a week!

OP posts:
Bigearringsbigsmile · 05/04/2024 11:40

He's in his late 80s. I think by this point it all just gets too much. My relative is 85 and used to be very houseproud. Not they just can't be arsed any more.
I would either go in and do it myself or organise a cleaner.

DustyLee123 · 05/04/2024 11:37

My DF won’t clean, won’t have a cleaner, and I’m certainly not doing it for him, so he lives in a dirty house.

Swipe left for the next trending thread