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Dad's narrative that he 'barely sees me'

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WistfulDrinking · 31/03/2024 13:41

Just a bit depressed about this. My dad has dementia and a persistent narrative that he 'barely sees me'. DH and I live at at a distance, but, for example, at Christmas we stayed with them for a week - on a broken bed in their filthy, hoarded house that they refuse any intervention with - just spoken with my sister and our week in their house is now 'they didn't even get out of the car'. My mum apparently just sits blankly and doesn't contradict this.

We stay with them, we take them out on day trips of their choice, but it seems not to be registering. Half the time my dad gets my sister and me mixed up, but it's always me he 'barely sees' not my sister.

Not expecting anything that can help, just wanted a bit of a moan.

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Ratfan24 · 13/04/2024 14:19

Another thing is maybe this is a way of him trying to communicate they need more help. He may resist it on one level but deep down knows its not right they are living in this environment and not coping.

Ratfan24 · 13/04/2024 14:16

Your DMs behaviour sounds a bit concerning, could she be depressed? Maybe you should encourage her to see the GP.

Orangesandlemons77 · 13/04/2024 14:08

Bonbonnes · 02/04/2024 00:01

Another voice telling you to be a bit wary of them visiting. From experience not being in a familiar environment can be difficult for them .

I had quite a successful visit to dad with dementia quite recently because I stayed in a nearby pub / hotel and visited him in his sheltered housing flat where I went with him to his usual dementia group..then could escape back to the hotel when needed...

I'm not sure if he remembers it but I think it is better if you can keep to their routine.

countrygirl99 · 02/04/2024 08:47

Mum is good at using her calendar but if she turns a page to put in or check something for a later month she often forgets to turn it back and then thinks it's e.g. May or June instead of April.

Bonbonnes · 02/04/2024 08:29

would they let you clear out / tidy up? It seems to make such a difference for us. I go regularly and jdeclutter so it’s easier for her to see / find stuff. Then it’s easier to keep clean too. The calendar doesn’t work for us either. We’ve got a clock with the day date and time .

WistfulDrinking · 02/04/2024 07:21

Their house is such a mess that any books or calendars would get lost in the general chaos, sadly. I usually find their wall calendar hasn't been turned to the right month.

I'll talk to my sister about possible issues with visiting. It's hard because I don't want it to sound to her as though I am shirking responsibility. It's true that changes to the norm throw my dad - when my mum was in hospital a couple of years ago (when he wasn't as bad as he is now) he kept ringing my sister and me at midnight and gone worried because she was 'missing'.

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WistfulDrinking · 01/04/2024 16:03

A good point about familiar environment - they used to come here regularly in the old days so I am hoping it won't be too unfamiliar.

Another voice telling you to be a bit wary of them visiting. From experience not being in a familiar environment can be difficult for them .

Beamur · 01/04/2024 23:50

Being in the moment with them helps -so if he says 'you never visit':you can say 'i am here now'. My MIL went through a phase of asking to leave with us every time we visited and we would say, we can't take you today, we have to do (something)' which would always calm her down. We wouldn't say 'no' but would always be sort of optimistically vague

Bonbonnes · 01/04/2024 23:42

helpfulperson · 31/03/2024 14:38

Losing sense of time is one of the first things that happen. They lose concepts like tomorrow and yesterday or last week. We have a diary so we can prompt mum when she says 'i haven't seen your brother in weeks' we can get the diary out and say 'oh look he was here on Monday'

We do this. We write what LO did on the day and what they’re doing the next day and who they’ve seen in a big book left on the table near where they sit. It does help. ( we’ve got a huge sticker with do not move on it on the front)

NoBunnyHome · 01/04/2024 18:21

One thing a friend of mine does it has stickers made up of her face and then every day she visits, she sticks her face on her Mum's wall calendar to mark she's been there.

It helps her Mum see she is visited regularly.

Not sure if that would help, but she finds it works for her?

countrygirl99 · 01/04/2024 18:16

My mum used to come here regularly until dhe stpooed driving about 5 years ago and we've been in the same house for 23 years but it was awful when she stayed Christmas before last.

WistfulDrinking · 01/04/2024 16:03

A good point about familiar environment - they used to come here regularly in the old days so I am hoping it won't be too unfamiliar.

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Coldupnorth87 · 01/04/2024 10:26

My mil doesn't visit anymore. My fil thought it would be good to do a massive roundtrip to see bil & us.

She arrived here in a state of delirium as the car journey had been endless for her.

It was seriously scary. It's the only time I've cried (after she calmed down & was safely at their accommodation) as it was really sad too.

Routine with occasional stimulation is probably best but it's very person-dependent.

Mischance · 01/04/2024 10:09

Indeed - familiar territory is so important for people with dementia. My mother came to us for Christmas one year and totally lost it - she was wandering about in the nude. She was much better at home.

countrygirl99 · 01/04/2024 06:56

So true. My mum stayed with us Christmas before last and she was much more confused than usual. She thought we had borrowed someone else's house - weve lived here over 20 years. Told us about her daughter - me. This year we picked her up in the morning and took her home in the evening even though it meant 2 2 hour round trips.

EmotionalBlackmail · 31/03/2024 20:04

Just watch out for taking them away from familiar environment and routine - that can throw everything for someone with dementia.

Good luck!

WistfulDrinking · 31/03/2024 19:16

Thank you - it is very helpful to think of his life being 'in the moment'. He mostly seems content enough, in what is now a very small world for him.

I haven't seen 'The Father', I will look out for it. My sister and I are hoping to get my parents up to me for a visit when it can be sorted logistically (as they can't travel independently, we have to do a halfway swap at a service station) I'm hoping this might be more memorable for him - probably a futile hope but my mum might enjoy the change of scene.

Thank you again for your supportive comments, it's helped me to share this with people who understand!

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2Old2Tango · 31/03/2024 15:58

So sorry to hear this OP.

Have you seen the film "The Father" with Anthony Hopkins? It's really well done and gives a perspective of what it's like from the perspective of both the father and the daughter. It's really moving.

countrygirl99 · 31/03/2024 15:55

A couple if weeks ago my eldest brother came down for a couple of days. Spent a whole day and a morning with mum, took her to an appointment, sorted some admin etc. He lives 5 hours away (and he's the favourite) so a visit is a Big Thing. I saw her the evening of the second day and she'd completely forgotten his visit.

Coldupnorth87 · 31/03/2024 15:16

My bil drives 5 hours to see mil, stays for two days & mil has forgotten he's been by the afternoon.

There is nothing you can say that will change his perspective.

EmotionalBlackmail · 31/03/2024 15:15

Even without dementia they do seem to remember differently as they get older. Mine has been reminiscing about our lovely times together and how much she misses that/why can't we see her more often.

We've only seen her 3-4 times a year for at least a couple of decades. Her choice originally as she was too busy doing other things! She's somehow turned something that happened once or twice a year into a regular occurrence that used to happen!

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 15:14

You know he has dementia so you’ll have to try not to take what he’s saying personally, he obviously doesn’t know what he’s saying and he’s not misremembering things intentionally. I can understand it just be upsetting that his illness is clouding his view of you, but it’s the dementia talking not him, it is hard that his illness is projecting this onto you and not your sister but again, it’s not personal. He has an illness which is causing his mind to get confused and misremember things. I am sure he appreciates the time he is spending with you in the moment, even if afterwards he is not remembering it clearly and is getting stuck in a cycle of thinking you don’t see him. This might signify how important you are to him and how his illness is manifesting the hurt he would feel at not seeing you because it is a deep rooted fear based on how much he enjoys seeing you. You can’t do anything about the way his illness is presenting and unfortunately you can’t stop a person with dementia misremembering and getting confused, all you can do is continue to ensure that the time you spend with him is enjoyable and know that he’s enjoying it in the moment regardless of whether he will remember that enjoyment a few days later.

WistfulDrinking · 31/03/2024 15:11

Thank you for your kind words and solidarity. It's so hard because in my head my parents are still the people they always were - by no means perfect but distinctive people - and I struggle to comprehend that my dad isn't really there any more, and my mum seems to have given up and moved into a world of her own. It hurts that my dad's mental image is of me waving to them through the car window, or whatever.

A couple of years ago, we went down for a week to cat sit for my sister and didn't stay in my parents' house for that reason, although we saw them every day we were there, even going for a meal in the evening after we'd spent a couple of days with my husband's mum. I wonder if that is where the idea has evolved from - every time since we have stayed in their house, but for some reason that one time we didn't has stuck.

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Mischance · 31/03/2024 15:08

Have a moan .... it is a horrible illness.

I used to work with people with dementia. One old lady was very upset about her failing memory and I said: "I guess our brains are like a box of treasures which we fill up and when we get older some treasures start to fall out as it is too full." She thanked me, said that was lovely and she was really cheered by the idea. Two minutes later she said: "What was that nice thing you said?" The lesson I learned is that for someone with dementia life is "of the moment" but these brief moments have their own value, even if they are fleeting.

helpfulperson · 31/03/2024 14:40

Also don't worry that anyone who has any experience of dementia will believe this and think 'what a bad daughter for never visiting' . They will know it is just part of the illness.