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Mum nearly 90 and so scared of dying

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izimbra · 26/03/2024 10:49

My mum is 89, turning 90 in a week. She lives with my sister and is usually in reasonable health. She's very disabled through arthritis and her eyesight is poor, but she has a good appetite, cognitively pretty good, doesn't have chronic pain. My sister stuffs her with healthy food - vegetables, fish, pulses, fruit. Her younger and older sister have passed away in the past 4 years, and I credit her diet and my sister's care with my mum's continued good health.

About 12 days ago she picked up a bug and got very chesty. She's on her second course of antibiotics, is up, eating, her colour is ok, her voice is strong, but she's overwhelmed with fear that she could die any moment. I don't know what to say to her. I try to reassure her by pointing out that all her vital signs are good, that she's eating, she's up and about, but she just says 'I'm so scared, I feel terrible'. I think part of what's making her feel 'terrible' is constant fear.

The think is, at nearly 90 it's not unreasonable to expect that death might be round the corner, and I feel like a bit of a fraud not acknowledging this to her when she says it. I don't know how to comfort her. I just try to listen and then distract her with family gossip, but it makes me sad to think of her being scared. :-(

Has anyone else had to deal with this? Any tips?

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izimbra · 27/03/2024 11:35

Also - my mum is 90. She's not dying. She's at home eating egg sandwiches and reading the newspaper.

She'd be HORRIFIED if I suggested she talk to a priest or a vicar. She'd think I'd taken leave of my senses.

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izimbra · 27/03/2024 11:31

"Does she have access to a hospital chaplain? Otherwise you can approach a priest. Find out the local C of E one for where she is for example."

For what?

If you're a Christian you accept that belief in God and worship of him is central to entering heaven.

The Bible is explicit on that score.

Last thing I'd want to do is expose my mum to influence from people who may think she could be tortured for eternity after death for not believing in and worshipping God.

Good grief 🤦‍♀️

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izimbra · 27/03/2024 11:26

"I would wager that there is not a single believer on this thread who conceives of God as a bloke in a nightie!"

I would conceive that if you asked a 10 year old Christian to paint a picture of God that's exactly what they'd paint. Would be interested to know when this changes and why.

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erinaceus · 27/03/2024 11:23

izimbra · 27/03/2024 10:10

This is the sort of comment that makes me lose respect for Christians.

You seem to be advocating that we should believe in God because in contemplating our deaths it's more emotionally comfortable to do so.

But I've already explained that belief isn't a choice. It's where you arrive on the strength of your perception of reality and of truth. Or as the result of indoctrination from childhood.

So there isn't a 'spiritual answer' to my mother's fear. Unless you think I should be trying to persuade her of the truth of a belief that I myself don't hold, and that she hasn't had in her many decades of life.

Just because she does not have a faith, does not mean she cannot draw on a spiritual professional for support. Does she have access to a hospital chaplain? Otherwise you can approach a priest. Find out the local C of E one for where she is for example.

Professionals like chaplains and priests are experienced in navigating end-of-life situations and might have guidance for your sister and/or your mum on how to approach the situation, separate from whether or not she believes in God. Humanist Chaplains also exist in some areas and hospital trusts and would be able to work with your mum and her family to hopefully support her better.

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 27/03/2024 11:14

SnakesAndArrows · 27/03/2024 11:07

I’m an atheist. Being dead is not terrifying to me. I’m afraid only of the process of dying.

I also want to be alive, to have more of life, before I go.

Tibetan Buddhism has studied death and its processes extensively (vide The Tibetan Book of the Dead) They say that intense fear arises at the point of death as a result of strong attachment. You may not know that the fear is coming, then it hits you.

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 27/03/2024 11:09

Aspergallus · 26/03/2024 14:14

@Drench

What on earth are you on about?

Athiests can make peace with death without fairy stories about some guy living above the clouds.

Athiests are usually people who believe in science, nature, our place on this planet in the solar system, beyond the solar system, the universe, the persistence of all matter from the big bang to the present time, the persistence of the matter that makes us beyond death.

Fairy tales aren't necessary to make peace with death. This is just a 90 year old woman with a recent health scare who is having an understandable moment of worry. Suggesting she needs a religion to get through this is fantastically narrow-minded.

I would wager that there is not a single believer on this thread who conceives of God as a bloke in a nightie! Gosh, I think Richard Dawkins has a lot to answer for 😁
Being a believer (or being someone who has experienced something) doesn't necessarily mean that a person is a cretin. I could cite many believers who have high IQs or who are well-regarded in other ways - CS Lewis, Tolkien, Steve Jobs, Sir Francis Bacon, and many others.

SnakesAndArrows · 27/03/2024 11:07

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 27/03/2024 09:48

The only answer to this is a spiritual one. Sorry if this offends the atheists, but she's facing a situation where - obviously- everything has to be let go of: family, friends, property, money, her body itself. Not so much as a needle can be carried through the gates of death. Of course she's petrified- it is a situation of total loss of control. It makes all the difference if, as an atheist, she thinks she's heading into oblivion, a state of complete non-being. That is truly terrifying.

I’m an atheist. Being dead is not terrifying to me. I’m afraid only of the process of dying.

I also want to be alive, to have more of life, before I go.

MereDintofPandiculation · 27/03/2024 10:17

penjil · 27/03/2024 02:36

Well, it may be stupid to you, but not to the several billion Christians on this planet.

This thread isn’t the place to say “the trouble is, she’s not a believer”. What’s that meant to do?

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 27/03/2024 10:12

TeaAndStrumpets · 27/03/2024 09:55

Gosh how well informed you are.

Just reiterating the obvious. I've come across so many people who don't even wish to engage with thoughts of death. I've been doing a practice called meditation on death for many years now - basically you contemplate that death can arrive at the very next instant.

izimbra · 27/03/2024 10:10

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 27/03/2024 09:48

The only answer to this is a spiritual one. Sorry if this offends the atheists, but she's facing a situation where - obviously- everything has to be let go of: family, friends, property, money, her body itself. Not so much as a needle can be carried through the gates of death. Of course she's petrified- it is a situation of total loss of control. It makes all the difference if, as an atheist, she thinks she's heading into oblivion, a state of complete non-being. That is truly terrifying.

This is the sort of comment that makes me lose respect for Christians.

You seem to be advocating that we should believe in God because in contemplating our deaths it's more emotionally comfortable to do so.

But I've already explained that belief isn't a choice. It's where you arrive on the strength of your perception of reality and of truth. Or as the result of indoctrination from childhood.

So there isn't a 'spiritual answer' to my mother's fear. Unless you think I should be trying to persuade her of the truth of a belief that I myself don't hold, and that she hasn't had in her many decades of life.

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TeaAndStrumpets · 27/03/2024 09:55

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 27/03/2024 09:48

The only answer to this is a spiritual one. Sorry if this offends the atheists, but she's facing a situation where - obviously- everything has to be let go of: family, friends, property, money, her body itself. Not so much as a needle can be carried through the gates of death. Of course she's petrified- it is a situation of total loss of control. It makes all the difference if, as an atheist, she thinks she's heading into oblivion, a state of complete non-being. That is truly terrifying.

Gosh how well informed you are.

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 27/03/2024 09:48

The only answer to this is a spiritual one. Sorry if this offends the atheists, but she's facing a situation where - obviously- everything has to be let go of: family, friends, property, money, her body itself. Not so much as a needle can be carried through the gates of death. Of course she's petrified- it is a situation of total loss of control. It makes all the difference if, as an atheist, she thinks she's heading into oblivion, a state of complete non-being. That is truly terrifying.

TeaAndStrumpets · 27/03/2024 09:48

izimbra · 27/03/2024 09:32

@TeaAndStrumpets I'm really sorry for your loss, you must be reeling 😞

Thanks it was hard to witness. Both my parents died suddenly, it was awful at the time but with hindsight easier for them.

izimbra · 27/03/2024 09:32

@TeaAndStrumpets I'm really sorry for your loss, you must be reeling 😞

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izimbra · 27/03/2024 09:31

@penjil I understand what you're saying and can see how a belief that tells you 'the most important part of you lives on, and you will be reunited with those you love' must be the most comforting thing imaginable, and a real incentive to persuade oneself of the existence of god. But plenty of religious people still fear death, and go all out to avoid it, despite promises of a much better life than the one they're leading here on earth.

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TeaAndStrumpets · 27/03/2024 08:42

My brother died last week. He would have been 80 next month.

He had Parkinson's disease but what killed him (I believe) was being treated in hospital for an infection, then catching two more infections on the ward. After nearly three months of decline it was a relief when he slipped away. He was quite unresponsive by the time he died, so he had never been able to say goodbye.

He probably had some level of awareness early in his stay - he objected to being given food and medicine but the hospital kept treating him. I don't like to think he was scared to die, but I think he really hated being so helpless.

We all miss him but I honestly feel I have been grieving for months already.

PermanentTemporary · 27/03/2024 08:10

@FullFathomFyve what a lovely post.

I'm certainly apprehensive of dying though happy to think I won't go on for ever. It's hardly unusual. I agree though that feeling low post virus is also normal. I hope getting out and seeing some spring flowers will help - I agree about forcing the issue a bit with the wheelchair.

notanothernana · 27/03/2024 08:05

I would say to her that she's not enjoying what she has left worrying about dying.

And is it the dying itself or what comes after?

Tel12 · 27/03/2024 07:52

This is such a difficult area. I'm old and have come to terms with my mortality. It's the getting there that's most on my mind. I guess that if at 90 your mum's not made her peace then there's not a lot you can do, apart from what you are currently doing. Never talked about death with my own mum who lived to a great age. When the subject of funerals came up in a discussion I thought that this would be a good opportunity to ask whether she wanted a burial or cremation. She just looked at me as if to say neither.

Aspergallus · 27/03/2024 07:39

@Screamingabdabz
I was responding, specifically, to the incredibly narrow minded and unhelpful statement made by drench.

But of course, it's your right to take wider offence. At least you have your religion to comfort you.

StopStartStop · 27/03/2024 07:02

Another approach

If she's interested in personal anecdotes, I had a NDE in 2005. The experience was blissful. I had to come back because I had work to do here, but I grieved the loss of that place for several years. The message I was given was 'Everyone is welcomed, loved and fully understood.'

What Really Happens When You Die | Peter Fenwick's Studies of End-of-Life-Phenomena

Peter Fenwick (born 25 May 1935) is a neuropsychiatrist and neurophysiologist who is known for his pioneering studies of end-of-life phenomena.In this interv...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiEYQyUjAQA

LikelyLight · 27/03/2024 03:34

thanks penjil.

penjil · 27/03/2024 02:36

IHopeYouStepOnALegPiece · 26/03/2024 12:52

Yes the problem is not believing in god. Nothing to do with being nearly 90, recently unwell and being afraid of becoming sicker and dying.

Fucking stupid comment

Well, it may be stupid to you, but not to the several billion Christians on this planet.

Deathbyfluffy · 27/03/2024 00:37

Albatrossing · 26/03/2024 11:08

i think this is really wise. If you've got time/are a reader, there's a book called Being Mortal by Atul Gawande, which has a really helpful ''how to have these conversations" towards the end of the book. Just to give your mum a little more sense of control.

I'm sorry you're going through this. It's a hard reality.

Currently reading this - it’s a wonderful book.

Supersimkin2 · 27/03/2024 00:31

You can be scared of not existing, but it’s irrational if you’re an atheist.

Talk her through it - if she thinks she’s just meat + electricity when the switch flicks she won’t know she doesn’t exist. Was she scared of what happened before she was alive? Quite.

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