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Aging mother ignoring possible oil leakage

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Palmsun · 11/03/2024 16:30

Two and half years ago I noticed some things with my mother thats not quite right. There's definitely some deficits happening with her mind on some behavioural and comprehension stuff. I chatted to her GP but she cited 'any memory loss' to me. My mother's memory seems to be good. I am noticing other behaviours from her.

She has oil heating and she was told last year after an oil delivery that she will have to replace the oil tank by the next fill. This isn't a surprise to me. The tank is over 30 years old and is rusty now. She ignored this and booked an oil fill for December. She came to me this morning demanding for money asap towards another oil fill and it was just her tone and attitude about it. It was very controlling and it was giving me no time to produce a few 100 for an oil delivery. I live at home with her by the way. I am apprehensive about another oil fill because the tank is bad and I am anxious that maybe we might have a leak, if not now, later on down the line. I am xious that maybe there's something already because I smell a strong smell of fumes outside the house.

I reminded my mother that we have to empty the tank and get it replaced and all it did was anger her and she made excuses and said she will do it in the summer time. I don't under this, why not now? I know her, she is lieing to me and ignoring this and she has no intention of sorting this out and replacing the tank.

Its not a money issue. I got a rough quote for 1200 and between the two of us it's not a lot of money to replace the tank. It's very cruel and mean to ignore this and push it to the summer where I will likely not be as free in the summer time due to summer work schedule.

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ILoveMyCatButHesAPervert · 12/03/2024 17:37

You could request a carer's assessment from SS for yourself. But your mum would need to agree to an assessment with them for herself. She can refuse this. The bar to them getting involved without her consent is very high.

ILoveMyCatButHesAPervert · 12/03/2024 17:35

How old are you, OP? As there is better availability for social housing for over 55s. In some places I think it is for over 50s.

Don't overthink emailing the oil company.
It is a basic safety issue that they need to be aware of, for their employees if nothing else. Your mother is unable to deal with it so you are doing so.

Palmsun · 12/03/2024 17:20

samarrange · 12/03/2024 16:54

Have you considered talking to social services about your Mum's mental problems? They may have some ideas and perhaps legal advice about how you could get some kind of power of attorney.

I never considered social services.

I did consider organising an appointment with a dementia advisor from the alzhemiers association but I didn't do that yet.

My mother had legal issues for a few years but they are coming to an end now and I think I can proceed with my dementia concerns and suspicions now.

I don't know what is the best route.

I would love to move out if I could and I did move out before but I had to love back home.
I would love to move out and just leave her because I don't want to become a default carer because I can't afford my own accommodation.
I know now if this is dementia then main caregiver is usually given the worst treatment by the person and I am not able to cope with that.
I want to see one of my brothers come home and deal with her or stick her in a home.

I wouldn't have half the battle that I currently have if I was a man. She obeys men just like that but views women as good for nothing.

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samarrange · 12/03/2024 16:54

Have you considered talking to social services about your Mum's mental problems? They may have some ideas and perhaps legal advice about how you could get some kind of power of attorney.

Palmsun · 12/03/2024 16:17

I have a rough draft of an email ready to send to the oil company to ask them to please notify her in writing about our tanks condition and the importance of replacing old, worn oil tanks.

I am divided. It feels so bad to go behind her back and be underhanded about this. On the other hand there's no reasoning with my mother any more and I know she has no intentions of replacing the tank, not now and not in the summer. She says in the summer but I know that's also a lie. And say for example if she is true, it's not fair on me or even my brother. I am going to be up the wall with a work schedule in the summer time and I will have less time to help and not only that it's not fair getting my brother to step off a long haul flight and expect him to do this work. He's not a supplier of oil tanks nor is he a plumber. The tank will have to be drained anyways.

Do I email the company and put a stop to this and her intention of filling the tank again or do I ignore it and allow her to fill the tank and delay what we need to do.

I am torn?

I am half tempted to email the oil company. I reckon we still have oil at home for at least another month. Topping it up makes no sense whatsoever. This isn't the first time I noticed poor planning and organising with my mother. Her sense is definitely waning. She put me into an horrific situation back in January where she was ignoring her solicitor and repelling against him as if she was a school child and he was a teacher. She was revolting against her solicitor.

Now this.

She doesn't understand the implications of ignoring this or delaying this.

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Palmsun · 12/03/2024 12:54

Palmsun · 12/03/2024 12:52

It's not just ignoring repairs. There has been other stuff with her. She's taking my plus size underwear as if they are hers but she is half the size of me. The majority of her underwear now is size 16/18/20 even though she wouldn't be any more than a size 10. I found size 18 period swimwear amongst her clothes. She's not a size 18 and period swimwear - she doesn't swim and she's long past periods. Lately I am finding children's socks amongst her stuff. She has no comprehension on sizes and who owns what any more.

There is so much more too.

She's impossible to reason with too.

This is all hallmarks of dementia but it's not presenting with typical symptoms and a lot of people think of dementia as a textbook forgetfulness including her own GP.

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Palmsun · 12/03/2024 12:52

anunlikelyseahorse · 12/03/2024 12:30

Is there a reason why you can't move out? It doesn't sound like either of you have a very healthy relationship.
It doesn't sound like dementia either, in fact she sounds quite on the ball, saving her pennies to get her ex or son to sort it out, a bit like a female version of 'Greengrass' the lovable if slightly dodgy character from Heartbeat!

It's not just ignoring repairs. There has been other stuff with her. She's taking my plus size underwear as if they are hers but she is half the size of me. The majority of her underwear now is size 16/18/20 even though she wouldn't be any more than a size 10. I found size 18 period swimwear amongst her clothes. She's not a size 18 and period swimwear - she doesn't swim and she's long past periods. Lately I am finding children's socks amongst her stuff. She has no comprehension on sizes and who owns what any more.

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Palmsun · 12/03/2024 12:47

There is no rental accommodation in my village or surrounding villages and anything available is so expensive and beyond my budget. I always helped at home but it's never good enough. I feel suicidal about my position. I just don't have the means to rent in the city.

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Palmsun · 12/03/2024 12:44

anunlikelyseahorse · 12/03/2024 12:30

Is there a reason why you can't move out? It doesn't sound like either of you have a very healthy relationship.
It doesn't sound like dementia either, in fact she sounds quite on the ball, saving her pennies to get her ex or son to sort it out, a bit like a female version of 'Greengrass' the lovable if slightly dodgy character from Heartbeat!

Her son is not a plumber and expecting him to come off a long haul flight to tackle this is cruel.

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Palmsun · 12/03/2024 12:44

OhItsOnlyCynthia · 12/03/2024 12:30

If you're living there, you need to be taking on the responsibility for doing the jobs your mother doesn't want to deal with. Get some quotes for a new tank, talk about how you want to resolve it, ask her to help you decide how best to tackle it.

Offering to contribute to the cost and hassle of getting these things done might make them all seem more appealing to her. She can go out whilst you manage the work.

I already did this. She doesn't care. I got a rough estimate of costs but she doesn't care.

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OhItsOnlyCynthia · 12/03/2024 12:30

If you're living there, you need to be taking on the responsibility for doing the jobs your mother doesn't want to deal with. Get some quotes for a new tank, talk about how you want to resolve it, ask her to help you decide how best to tackle it.

Offering to contribute to the cost and hassle of getting these things done might make them all seem more appealing to her. She can go out whilst you manage the work.

anunlikelyseahorse · 12/03/2024 12:30

Is there a reason why you can't move out? It doesn't sound like either of you have a very healthy relationship.
It doesn't sound like dementia either, in fact she sounds quite on the ball, saving her pennies to get her ex or son to sort it out, a bit like a female version of 'Greengrass' the lovable if slightly dodgy character from Heartbeat!

Palmsun · 12/03/2024 12:23

Papillon23 · 12/03/2024 11:46

If the tank goes you would be responsible for remediation - which can be very expensive. Would that make her think twice and agree to its replacement?

Alternatively if she needs the money from you for the oil just say no?

Best option in all likelihood is to move out.

I actually think she has the onset of dementia. She doesn't understand anything beyond her own daily life and tasks. She doesn't care or understand about the implications of ignoring this.

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Palmsun · 12/03/2024 12:22

Papillon23 · 12/03/2024 11:46

If the tank goes you would be responsible for remediation - which can be very expensive. Would that make her think twice and agree to its replacement?

Alternatively if she needs the money from you for the oil just say no?

Best option in all likelihood is to move out.

I had my brother inform her over the Xmas and he personalised the situation and informed her that if the rust falls off and goes into the oil it will f*ck up the water and heating system big time in the house and it will cost thousands to fix.

The very next week, she overwrote what he said and she was booking another oil fill saying that the rust on the tank is only a cosmetic issue.

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Papillon23 · 12/03/2024 11:46

If the tank goes you would be responsible for remediation - which can be very expensive. Would that make her think twice and agree to its replacement?

Alternatively if she needs the money from you for the oil just say no?

Best option in all likelihood is to move out.

Palmsun · 12/03/2024 11:39

I don't know if we do have a leak with the tank. I wouldn't be surprised if we do. I do smell a fume-y smell outside sometimes. Some times it's stronger than other times.

The tank is very bad and rusty now and if we don't have a leak, it's only a matter of time before it will leak.

I am fuming at the oil company. It was the driver who recommended to my mother that the tank needs replacing last September. She ignored ired this in December and she intends on ignoring it again and I don't know what the position or policy is with the oil company.

We should have plenty of oil in our tank that will bring us into April or May but she's paranoid about it going low and wants to fill it up again.

I would be able to tell her the consequences of ignoring it but she really doesn't understand or care.

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Palmsun · 12/03/2024 11:02

MereDintofPandiculation · 11/03/2024 23:57

I understand why she's saying "summer". No-one wants the prospect of being without heating in the the winter,

Speak to oil company, make it clear that you aren't asking them for information (so they can't cite GDPR), that you are giving them information, that oil tank it on its last legs and should not be refilled without inspection.

Look at the link up above - it has a link to an association of oil tank inspectors, see if you can arrange an inspection. When our gas boiler packed up, not only did the guy switch it off, he slapped some warning tape on it and a big "do not use" notice. If you could get an oil tank inspector to do similar that would be useful.

Start keeping a dated list of odd behaviour as you've detailed above, behaviour which is new to her, and include it in another letter to the GP. Dementia doesn't always reveal itself through memory issues.

We were originally eyeballing the spring to get the work done. I was disappointed when she ordered more oil in December because it meant that it will take longer to empty.

I now know she has no intention of ever replacing the tank. We should have enough oil in the tank for at least another month or two which will bring us into May. She's paranoid that it will go low (which is what we need to do) and she wants to top up. I don't think she has the comprehension to understand what's facing us here. Shes saying she will get this done in the summer time but what's going to change from now to then? It's all excuses. She has no intention of doing it. Either that or she wants to use or ex husband for free repair work, god only knows.

I think I will send an email to the oil company. I would actually think it's negligent of them to continue filling that tank. The tank has rusted parts and it's only a matter of time before those rust patches cave in.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 11/03/2024 23:57

I understand why she's saying "summer". No-one wants the prospect of being without heating in the the winter,

Speak to oil company, make it clear that you aren't asking them for information (so they can't cite GDPR), that you are giving them information, that oil tank it on its last legs and should not be refilled without inspection.

Look at the link up above - it has a link to an association of oil tank inspectors, see if you can arrange an inspection. When our gas boiler packed up, not only did the guy switch it off, he slapped some warning tape on it and a big "do not use" notice. If you could get an oil tank inspector to do similar that would be useful.

Start keeping a dated list of odd behaviour as you've detailed above, behaviour which is new to her, and include it in another letter to the GP. Dementia doesn't always reveal itself through memory issues.

Itsrainingloadshere · 11/03/2024 23:20

If the tank fails and oil leaks into the ground it can seep below the house and you will have to move out possibly for several months while it is cleaned up. House insurance may cover this but maybe not if they are aware that you’ve been alerted to the poor state of the tank.
Also it can contaminate any nearby water supplies that you or your neighbours have or groundwater drinking water supplies run by your local water provider as well as finding its way into watercourses.

Please don’t get any more oil in your existing tank it’s not worth the risk and hassle and expense should it fail.

Imitationzone · 11/03/2024 22:45

There is so much focus on the tank here and not a lot of focus on you. Do you know that you don’t have to accept her anger and control? Do you know that she’s only in control if you let her be? That you can walk away when she’s angry, you can stop the conversation if she’s being unreasonable.

You’re not a little child anymore but it sounds like she treats you like one and you don’t know how to be an adult around her.

This is not really about the oil tank.

Palmsun · 11/03/2024 22:42

ILoveMyCatButHesAPervert · 11/03/2024 21:46

We had this and I was advised to call the insurance company who arranged for someone to come and check the tank the same day. He said that a leak would be an absolute nightmare as it would make the surrounding ground toxic and leak into the water table.

Advise the oil company yourself, explain that your elderly mother is struggling with how to handle it. And call your insurance.

I don't have POA for my mother. It was a document that I was looking for. Would the company deal with me citing 'data protection' stuff because it's her account?

I could email the company and put it into writing and attach a picture of the tank too.

I'm actually in shock with what's unfolding today from my mother. Her comprehension is so poor and I dread to think that maybe this could be dementia.

This is something that has to be done. There's no point pushing it down the road.

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Palmsun · 11/03/2024 22:37

OhcantthInkofaname · 11/03/2024 22:08

If an oil tank shows signs of failure no oil company should refill it. Call the oil company and ask them if the condition is listed in their files.

My mother was advised last autumn that the tank needs replacing and the oil delivery driver mentioned it to her.

On Xmas week she went ahead and booked an oil delivery. I was not impressed with that given what we were advised to do. I did email the company but they weren't able to overwrite my mothers request for an oil delivery and they delivered a tank of oil. Not only this, my mother down right lied to me. She said that she only booked a small fill and the smallest volume that they had but she hid the receipt but I did root it out and saw 400 hundreds pounds worth of oil.

All of this, I think it also shows something much bigger. She's ordering oil out of habit or routine in fear that it goes low and it also shows poor comprehension. If she gets another oil fill, it will be autumn by the time the tank will probably be empty but she will likely fill the tank again anyways. I really don't think she has any intention of replacing the tank.

I don't know if the tank is currently leaking but it will be in time. It is very rusty now.

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OhcantthInkofaname · 11/03/2024 22:08

If an oil tank shows signs of failure no oil company should refill it. Call the oil company and ask them if the condition is listed in their files.

Octopuslethargy · 11/03/2024 21:54

Palmsun · 11/03/2024 16:59

There's two options in replacing the tank.

  1. we drain the oil and use it all up, or
  2. we get containers and fill the oil into containers.

We were going to go for option 1 and use up all the oil and then work on replacing the tank.

Now I know she has no intention of replacing the tank.

You shouldn't put old oil into a new tank or you risk putting 30 years of crap into a new tank.

ILoveMyCatButHesAPervert · 11/03/2024 21:46

We had this and I was advised to call the insurance company who arranged for someone to come and check the tank the same day. He said that a leak would be an absolute nightmare as it would make the surrounding ground toxic and leak into the water table.

Advise the oil company yourself, explain that your elderly mother is struggling with how to handle it. And call your insurance.