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DM wants a riser-chair costing £4.5k! Advice v welcome

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Valleyofthedollymix · 30/01/2024 14:51

DM is 82 with moderate dementia. It affects her mobility more than her cognitive abilities but I don't know how much this is to do with the dementia and how much is due to her lack of exercise over many years.

She is currently burning through finite funds by living in a large house with a very expensive live-in carer through an agency. After a lifetime of being careful with money, she's spending like Liberace and it's going to run out, especially since I think she'll live a long time. Frustratingly, the extravagance encouraged by the carer, for example endless new pairs of trousers and cashmere jumpers (one week she bought six). If we query this spending, it gets turned into a black mark against us - for someone with a failing memory, DM can keep a really good tally of the ways in which we've 'denied' her.

Anyway the latest was the carer organising for a bespoke riser recliner chair company to come round to demo. DM apparently 'fell in love' with the deluxe one and has chosen the fabric etc. It costs nearly £4600. This feels like an awful lot to me but apparently, it's tailor made for her spine, size etc.

Does anyone know if this is worth it? Of course, if it's a buy once buy the best situation and it'll change her life, fair enough, we'll find the funds. But I wouldn't spend that sort of money on anything without due diligence. I feel like we're being bounced into it. I'm also unsure of the wisdom of these chairs at all because might it exacerbate my mother's immobility?

So, if anyone has any knowledge on how much you need to spend and what's worth it, I'd be vvvv grateful.

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Newwindows · 30/01/2024 17:01

My mum had a riser chair and it was a lifeline in her last few years. She stayed at home which was her wish and I don’t think it would have been possible without the “chair”. We then donated to the hospice charity so someone could use it.
we shopped around and found a local firm who came to the house with 3 or 4 in her chosen colour scheme in the back of a van for mum to try without having to travel. It was reasonable value and worth every penny in our case.

PermanentTemporary · 30/01/2024 17:00

It is your job to keep an eye on the finances for your mum's benefit. If she were a multi millionaire that might be another matter, but if she would be facing penury in the future, it's worth at least thinking about how to rein this in. I can well understand it - after all the carer alone costs over £100000 a year, plus costs of house etc, and she's no longer able to make those plans.

Furniture that presents a possible risk to her isn't just a fun purchase either.

Brutal honesty... how is your mum's memory? If she had the fun of going through the catalogues and choosing stuff, which never actually turned up, would she be upset? Or would she consider making a list of things to buy next week..? Or could she get into Vinted??

However, I think if you have a nice carer she likes, and you've never yet had the conversation about this, it's well worth talking to the carer about whether there's another way to handle it. I certainly wouldn't rush to a nursing home.

titchy · 30/01/2024 17:00

Can you have a 'quiet' word with the carer and let her know that youre concerned how your dm will manage without her given that she'll have run out of money in a couple of months unless she stops her spending?

Darkbutstarrynight · 30/01/2024 16:59

@herewegoagainonmydog and @Valleyofthedollymix as another OT I can't see where it says they are at risk of falls or have anything to suggest they are at risk of admission.....fine she is entitled to an OT ax, but not to jump a queue where others may have greater needs.

And irrelevant of that, riser recliners are not always best and would be unlikely to prescribed by either a health or Social Services OT at present as a first point of call, without other needs that we haven't been made aware of. They can stand people up very quickly so you actually .at need quite good balance. If used every time people can become reliant on them...that can then make other transfers such as toilet and bed difficult even with equipment as there isn't the raising action. Those chairs aren't future proof either as may not work with Rotundas or hoists.

Yes OP please ask for an Occupational Therapy ax but could also consider finding a disabled living centre where chairs can be tried before purchase if you have one locally. If she is having problems standing and may be at risk of falls, then she potentially needs a period of rehab to increase her strength, stamina, Transfers and mobility.....especially of she isn't getting much practise at doing things if the carers does all her tasks for her.....

DyslexicPoster · 30/01/2024 16:56

It's a real shame and she does seem like she is being taken advantage of and screwed over by the carer. At the end of the day her 200 scarfs are going to Binned in house clearance so of course its a waste of money. Let's hope there is enough money let in her estate to bin all of the brand new crap into landfill.

She has dementia and is vulnerable. But I'm not sure what you do.

GnomeDePlume · 30/01/2024 16:56

My DM has one of the riser/recliner chairs. On the whole I think it is a good thing especially as DM now has back and hip problems which are badly affecting her mobility.

The one she has now has been going for a number of years. I think it was bought secondhand.

The first one was allegedly new, cost significantly more and broke down within a very small number of weeks.

It was heavily sold to DM. It took a bit of effort to get her money back. They sent an 'engineer' out who was no doubt going to claim DM had caused the motor to burn out. He was a bit put out when he arrived to find me there saying I had crawled under it and taken lots of pictures. He didn't stay more than 5 minutes. Didn't look at the chair and made big legs out of the door, saying he would need to speak to 'head office'.

DM had to take them to the small claims court to get her money back.

Iwasafool · 30/01/2024 16:46

We got ours from DFS, DH needs it. Take her there, the salesmen are very friendly, obviously want to make a sale, she can choose the fabric and it will cost under £`1k

Seeingadistance · 30/01/2024 16:42

tokesqueen · 30/01/2024 16:32

What would you rather she did with it?
Pass it down maybe?

The OP's mother is 82 with mild dementia. My DF was in that situation at that age. He's now 90, in a nursing home which costs over £60,000 per year, and it's not impossible that he could be there for years yet.

An 82 year old could have easily have a decade's worth of care to pay for, so pissing the money away on cashmere jumpers which won't be worn, is not wise.

Time40 · 30/01/2024 16:42

@Valleyofthedollymix When we needed one for an elderly relative, it was a private OT who did the measuring. Since a private OT could do it, I would imagine that your NHS OT would be able to - that's who I'd ask first of all.

Valleyofthedollymix · 30/01/2024 16:41

All the magic words! Thank you so much.

Really appreciate all the thoughts, even those accusing me of being a money-grabbing daughter!

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Popetthetreehugger · 30/01/2024 16:41

Pre loved all the way , unless mum has a dodgy back that needs a specialist seat ?

herewegoagainonmydog · 30/01/2024 16:37

Sorry also meant to say - if the chair is necessary then it also means that other stuff like toilet frames, grab rails/steps etc all get assessed and provided.

Another thing to emphasise is admission prevention and carer strain

If it's thought that the state might need to reassess/admit her to hospital etc then this is crudely an expense that can be avoided with the right equipment Smile

JustWhatWeDontNeed · 30/01/2024 16:37

Valleyofthedollymix · 30/01/2024 16:34

To be fair, the carer doesn't spend anything other than the supermarket delivery order (which we check), she says to us 'Mum got some new trousers, hope that's ok' or 'mum has fallen in love with the recliner chair that I organised to show her and can you buy it'. So she's not spending the money herself, but I do feel bounced it into for fear of being the mean daughter otherwise.

I was so shocked when my mother ranted away at me for perceived hardships the day my dad died. She'd been adamant she wanted to go into a care home so I'd taken the view not to rush into buying a new bed etfc.

Might it be worth revisiting the idea of a care home? There's some very nice ones and they might have a better handle on how to manage any inappropriate spending.

If she's partial to sales patter and a glossy brochure, maybe she'll reconsider it.

Valleyofthedollymix · 30/01/2024 16:36

Superstar thank you @herewegoagainonmydog that's top advice.

I do like the carer actually. She goes above and beyond in many ways and she's transformed my life with her efficiency. It's just in this area - I think she enjoys spending other people's money.

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Seeingadistance · 30/01/2024 16:35

MeinKraft · 30/01/2024 16:18

Normally I would agree with you, but the mum has dementia and this is a fairly recent personality change. OP has POA so she has a duty to safeguard her mother's financial wellbeing. The carer not only facilitating but encouraging the spending is a safeguarding red flag and I think SS would take a dim view of the carer and the OP allowing this kind of reckless and out of character spending to go unchecked.

This is what I was going to say. That frivolous and unnecessary spending on clothes is out of character and most likely a result of the dementia - so part of the OP's mother's lack of capacity rather than a considered choice.

I'd also be concerned that the carer is exercising some influence on the spending - maybe getting some vicarious pleasure from it.

The cost of the chair may be justified thought, but I'd see if an OT assessment could be arranged before it's purchased.

herewegoagainonmydog · 30/01/2024 16:34

Very quick reply. I'm OT and would recommend you request urgent OT as your mother is At risk of falls That's the bit that makes an assessment urgent.

I used to issue the riser recliner chairs. They would have integral pressure relief and material that met infection control standards.

Good luck!

Valleyofthedollymix · 30/01/2024 16:34

To be fair, the carer doesn't spend anything other than the supermarket delivery order (which we check), she says to us 'Mum got some new trousers, hope that's ok' or 'mum has fallen in love with the recliner chair that I organised to show her and can you buy it'. So she's not spending the money herself, but I do feel bounced it into for fear of being the mean daughter otherwise.

I was so shocked when my mother ranted away at me for perceived hardships the day my dad died. She'd been adamant she wanted to go into a care home so I'd taken the view not to rush into buying a new bed etfc.

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JustWhatWeDontNeed · 30/01/2024 16:33

Hmmmmaybe · 30/01/2024 16:29

@JustWhatWeDontNeed id be pissed odd if my mother pissed away money she hasn’t earnt on things she didn’t need and didn’t being anybreal
joy but which would make a real difference to my or my children’s life. I think most people would be.

Bloody hell... It's HER money!

MrsKwazi · 30/01/2024 16:33

I’d have sharp words with the agency, either replace the carer or change agency.

For my Nan getting in and out of her chair was a kind of exercise in itself, as her world got smaller and walks, outings etc dwindled to none.

tokesqueen · 30/01/2024 16:32

Valleyofthedollymix · 30/01/2024 15:55

@mrsm43s I see your point but it just feels incredibly wasteful and consumerist. Like, technically I could afford to fly first class, but I never would because it's a waste of money and I'd rather spend it on my children or give it to charity. And yes it is her money, but money she's inherited and I don't think her hardworking ancestors would want it pissed away like this.

What would you rather she did with it?
Pass it down maybe?

Pr0fessionalLurker · 30/01/2024 16:32

@Valleyofthedollymix

I would call the care company, say you're unhappy with the carer and request another. This is perfectly normal.

Justmuddlingalong · 30/01/2024 16:31

Could you phone Age Concern for some advice regarding the carer?

AprilRoche · 30/01/2024 16:30

You have a duty here.

You MUST replace the carer.

Valleyofthedollymix · 30/01/2024 16:29

Honestly I do appreciate the posters saying I sound like I'm concerned about my inheritance and trying to restrict a wealthy woman's spending - I know that sounds like I'm being snarky, but I do, because I worry about that myself. I do need to question myself to make sure.

That said, it is uncharacteristic and I think it's wasteful. We don't just let people with dementia do whatever they want. Some of it is in within reason and it may well be that she needs the fancy chair. I just want to make sure that the spending is wise.

As to whether there is enough money for her ongoing care. Yes, for the moment, but it's finite. I'm assuming there will be nothing to inherit, and that's fine, I'm more worried about her living for another 12 years and the money for care running out. And if we were smarter about spending that wouldn't be a risk.

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Hmmmmaybe · 30/01/2024 16:29

@JustWhatWeDontNeed id be pissed odd if my mother pissed away money she hasn’t earnt on things she didn’t need and didn’t being anybreal
joy but which would make a real difference to my or my children’s life. I think most people would be.

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