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FIL started being unkind to DGC

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Starrydream · 07/01/2024 10:30

This is a bit long, sorry.

This is about my FIL(86) and my DS(8), so his DGC. FIL does fairly well for his age although he has started to slow down a lot. Nothing significant, just age-related decline with some forgetfulness and getting muddled. MIL died years ago.

FIL has two DGC - the other DGC(7) by SIL. FIL has started being unkind to my DS but not the other DGC and I don’t know whether to ignore it, politely call him out on it etc.. DH gets annoyed but doesn’t say anything and says to ignore him.

Examples:
DS was sitting on the sofa next to me watching tv recently when FIL suddenly started almost shouting at DS “you need to grow up; you’re an adult now and you need to act your age. You’ve been stuck in this stage for two years now and you need to stop it and grow up”. Then he said “all you ever do when you come around here is break thing’s, smash them and it’s not acceptable. You need to grow up.”
He repeated the above two statement another two times. I was wtf and too shocked to speak. DH was in another room watching the football and didn’t hear. DS later said he had no idea what grandad was talking about but said he sensed he was being told off.

For context - we have absolutely no idea what FIL is on about. DS has NEVER broken or damaged anything, and the growing up comments I think stem from when DS was about 6 he had a big tantrum when we were leaving (out of character) and FIL still brings it up nearly 3 years later.

Secondly, DS won the end of year Best Progress prize for his y3 class last July. We were so proud as he has struggled with possible dyslexia so DS took the certificate to show his DGF the next day and he looked at it and then said to me “well that’s surprising given how he is” and he sat down and picked up the tv remote. DS looked so sad at his DGF response and later cried when we left.

Yesterday we visited and DS did his times tables homework while we were there. FIL started on at him that if doesn’t do his homework and try hard then his younger cousin will overtake him and be better than him at school, especially now that his cousin is at an independent school. He said it several times. DS later cried when we were at home.

We visit every week and FIL usually starts telling DS when we go to leave that he is an adult now (at 8!) and he needs to behave himself and not have a tantrum (all because of one tantrum he was 6).

I am getting really irritated and annoyed with FIL but I don’t know if I am overthinking it, but DS gets upset at all these comments as he’s a sensitive child. I’ve said FIL is getting old and sometimes they say things they don’t mean but I’m also annoyed with DH for not politely telling his DF to stop with these comments. I’m at the point where I really don’t like FIL anymore.

DNephew has also recently moved to an independent school so FIL now tells DH and I all about nephews ‘superior education’ and that DNephew will likely overtake DS now academically even though he’s a year younger.

OP posts:
teddycoat · 07/01/2024 12:17

Look, whether it's dementia or he's just an arsehole, it still doesnt mean your DS should bear the brunt of his behaviour. I would suggest your DH assists him with a GP appointment but tbh, if he refuses there is not much more you can do at this early stage.

Aside from that, I wouldnt be going round there for your son to be an emotional punchbag. It's not ok. I'd be leaving this to DH to sort out, it's his father and he needs to address it. But either way, I wouldnt be taking my son over there to be constantly verbally abused- what's the bloody point of that?- it's not bringing either your son or his GD any pleasure whatsoever- his presence simply angers him causing him to implode and your son is often in tears. Stop going over there, it's distressing everyone.

dapsnotplimsolls · 07/01/2024 12:17

Keep your son away from him and tell your DH to speak to him.

Greentrilby · 07/01/2024 12:15

Dad! Not had

user1492757084 · 07/01/2024 12:15

Has FIL has lost some of the inhibitions that keep us from saying inappropriate things?
Your DH needs to retell him some of the things he said and say firmly that it was mean and made his grandson cry.

If FIL has lost the ability to understand and to regulate his behaviour then have DH visit alone.
It is better that your son rememeber FIL when he was kind. He doesn't deserve to see someone who grumps at him.

Greentrilby · 07/01/2024 12:14

My step had has started to be mean to my mum on occasions. It’s definitely age related and she calls him out on it every time. He is still very loving towards her but seems to have lost the niceties and nuances of speech that he always had.
For example they were looking at a packet of pitta bread, trying to work out whether they could freeze it. He was adamant it couldn’t and he called her a silly woman. She pointed out the freezable sign on the packet and he just muttered that he hadn’t read that bit. Mum understands that it’s age related and copes admirably. I think if he spoke to our grandchildren that way, they wouldn’t see him again.

Has your FIL always been nasty or is it new?

Flopsythebunny · 07/01/2024 12:13

SecondUsername4me · 07/01/2024 12:11

The FIL in the OPs posts hasn't been diagnosed with vascular dementia though.

Which is why I wasn't quoting the op!

Flopsythebunny · 07/01/2024 12:12

Don't take your ds to visit again until your fil has seen a doctor

SecondUsername4me · 07/01/2024 12:11

Flopsythebunny · 07/01/2024 12:09

Ffs you don't "stand up" to someone who has vascular dementia. They are not doing anything on purpose

The FIL in the OPs posts hasn't been diagnosed with vascular dementia though.

Flopsythebunny · 07/01/2024 12:09

Catinknickers · 07/01/2024 10:43

My FIL was the same toward one of my DDs.

Even my MIL who I don’t have the best relationship with apologised, although DH made excuses for him. DH did eventually call him out on it when I insisted.

I explained to DD that FIL’s mind was going and he was imagining stuff and probably replaying what had been said to
him as a child.

Get your DH to stand up to him or it won’t stop. Don’t leave your DC alone with him.

Luckily we didn’t see them very often as they lived overseas. My DH put it down to ageing and FIL was eventually diagnosed with vascular dementia.

Ffs you don't "stand up" to someone who has vascular dementia. They are not doing anything on purpose

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 07/01/2024 12:05

Definitely sounds like dementia and does he perhaps see your DS more than the other GS? I would however be staying away if he’s making your son cry.

MrsGalloway · 07/01/2024 12:05

You should have stood up for your son and told your FIL he’s wrong and he’s not to speak to your son like that! Sorry OP but I can’t believe you let that happen and kept visiting. Don’t put your DS in that position again, he’s 8 he needs you and his Dad to protect from being put down and spoken to like that by a family member.
I definitely would not be visiting for the foreseeable and your DH should be speaking to his Dad to explain why and/or helping him to see a doctor.

SOxon · 07/01/2024 12:04

does your FiL rant when your husband is in the room?
either way you son is as people have said, the punchbag,
nor should schooling styles be a competition, why is FiL
being an adjudicator

I recall my FiL saying the most awful things to me
but never, ever in my husband’s hearing.
He was a deeply unpleasant little man but I found relating
his verbal attacks and my feelings difficult when I knew my
then husband didn’t want to believe it.
I stopped visiting, let husband go alone, children didn’t
enjoy duty visits to be greeted by such hostility, which is
what your hapless son is experiencing.

I wonder, does he know exactly what he is doing

He is old and crotchety, your son is 8 and vital, protect the young

Cinateel · 07/01/2024 11:58

There may be a combination of things here. FiL needs a check up at GP. Possible early dementia or a UTI. Whatever it is, I'd stop the visits for a while for your son's sake.

MCOut · 07/01/2024 11:58

Do not have this man bully your child. Completely stop going there. if there’s a problem, your DH and his sister can deal with that. It sounds like he might be getting confused but you cannot expect an eight-year-old to be able to understand or cope with this. It will just wreck his confidence.

Purplecatshopaholic · 07/01/2024 11:56

As others have said, the obvious thing is to have an immediate, firm word with your FIL. I wouldn’t inflict him on your poor son for now either. Just for info, my mum started this with one of her GC and it did turn out to be an early sign of dementia so defo worth a GP check too.

lechatnoir · 07/01/2024 11:50

Well, it might be dementia, or we could be just a bastard, but the problem is why on earth neither you nor your husband are standing up for your son!?! The first time I get shock/not wanting to ruffle feathers but every bloody time. Seriously op, your son needs to know his parents have got his back and see what is and isn't acceptable behaviour. You are teaching him that bullying is acceptable & will be brushed under the carpet and his feelings are not worth the fight. Poor kid.

MILLYmo0se · 07/01/2024 11:47

Are you certain he isnt doing the same crap to the other gc, is he around him as often as your child is? You need to stop the visits for now at least, he is damaging your childs self-esteem and its inexcusable to keep putting him in that position.
Agree with pp that he needs a medical check, has your SIL noticed no changes in him at all?

maybejustonemoretime · 07/01/2024 11:45

Has your SIL noticed this behaviour too and does she have concerns? It'd be good to get everyone on board to tackle this so that it doesn't give FIL a reason to further single out your son and family when you confront it.

Emma0For0 · 07/01/2024 11:41

"He's never broken anythjng, you must be getting mixed up with someone else fil"

? Would that not be the obvious response

BoohooWoohoo · 07/01/2024 11:40

Your FIL is bullying your son. If your h won’t protect him then you should. I’m surprised that you still take ds to see his bully weekly- I would have stopped that years ago. Even if it’s medical, ds shouldn’t have to tolerate that shit.

LindorDoubleChoc · 07/01/2024 11:39

For heaven's sake! Stand up for your child! Why are you waiting for your DH to say something?

Itsbeginingtolookalotlikexmas · 07/01/2024 11:38

100% stop contact

Mothership4two · 07/01/2024 11:36

Agree with other posters that you need to keep your DS away from him for a bit and get him checked out.

KnottyKnitting · 07/01/2024 11:35

Your poor little boy! He will grow up remembering this. I have strong memories of a vitriolic great grandmother. Luckily we didn't see her often but she came to stay with us for about three weeks when I was about 7. To this day I have not forgotten how she made me feel ( now in my late 50s.) I was a good little girl and there was no need for her to have relentlessly berated and insulted me. Her behaviour was nothing new- she had always been an old witch so nothing to do with dementia.

I think you need to stop the visits for now and make sure the FiL knows why. If this is a real change in personality/ concerns about memory, then he needs to see the GP and be referred to the memory clinic for assessment.

Regardless of the reason, you need to protect your son. Your DH needs to step up- I can't quite believe that he wouldn't see the damage this nasty old man must be doing to the the self esteem of your little boy.

MyLadyTheKingsMother · 07/01/2024 11:34

If any of the grandparents made my children cry, it would be the last time.

Why are you not protecting him op?