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JellyWellyBoots · 05/01/2024 13:40

I think I've reached my limit.
Can't bring myself to leave the house, struggled to even take the dog for a walk. Eaten about 3 proper meals since Xmas day.
I'm hardly cooking, the house is a mess.

Contacted adult SS's & begged for help.
They are putting dad in respite for 2 weeks.

He thinks I'm kicking him out, his sister has been in contact saying he's unhappy with my decision & she wants me to delay the respite.

No one in the family is helping, yet I'm being made to feel guilty for needing a break.

I have a 6 year old who needs me, & a demanding job to return to on Tuesday.

I've totally fallen apart and it's only been 4 months. They want to bring him back after 2 weeks so I can continue care, I feel duty bound but i don't think I will cope. In fact I know I won't.

This is harder than the newborn stage, & that was fucking hard.
You choose to have a child, so it's your job to look after them.
I didn't choose this & I resent it. I'm angry, so fucking angry all the time.

I hate my life, absolutely hate it. I feel suffocated, Ill from stress.

popularinthe80s · 05/01/2024 10:46

@JellyWellyBoots 😚

JellyWellyBoots · 04/01/2024 17:13

I saw the words 'caring is therapeutic' in big letters on the side of a car parked outside on my road this morning.

I almost choked on my anti depressant.

Valleyofthedollymix · 04/01/2024 16:51

Yes we could remove the big stone plaque although I'm not sure quite what to do with it. And you're probably right about not breaking the law, though I don't know where it stands if my father broke the law in the first place (which I bet he did). I'm wondering how many people have ever been charged with this particular offence. It's got tragi-comic potential.

Who knew?

But really, it's just more effing admin. That's all I do. It's so thankless and futile. Wasted hours with nothing to show for it. My mother once sniffily said 'well I suppose you visit' when we were trying to convey that we were looking after her and would continue to do so. Grrrr.

Choux · 04/01/2024 16:34

Personally I would rather just leave them than knowingly break the law myself by digging them up.

Choux · 04/01/2024 16:33

@Valleyofthedollymix can you not remove the stone plaque prior to any sale and just leave them buried? Are they likely to be discovered at any point? If the urn is just wood and ashes it will eventually decompose anyway.

countrygirl99 · 04/01/2024 16:15

Would anyone know if you just dug them.up?

Valleyofthedollymix · 04/01/2024 15:04

From my limited research, you're fine if you scatter ashes. However if you bury them in an urn, as my parents did with my GFs, then in order to move them you have to apply for an exhumation licence.

They died almost 40 years ago! What would you do? None of us were close to them (v posh, born at the turn of the century, right wing, racist etc). I'm annoyed at my father's selfishness to know that he needed to do something and then do nothing. We're having to wade through the bureaucracy and it might end up costing ££££s. I mean deathmin for your parents is bad enough, but for your parents' parents who died last century...

At the risk of sounding like a terrible person, I'm tempted to get an extra strong bin bag and go to the big refuse centre. I doubt Dad did the correct exhumation order when he moved them in the first place.

countrygirl99 · 04/01/2024 14:52

At least ILs made their wishes clear. I'm sure mum and dad discussed what they wanted but mum doesn't have a scooby anymore. She couldn't even name a single piece of music dad liked when we were sorting his funeral.

binkie163 · 04/01/2024 14:27

@Valleyofthedollymix my dad has scattered my mum's ashes in the garden, she loved the garden but he is in his 90's the house most likely to be sold when the time comes. It will give him comfort for the time he has left but no one knows what his wishes are.

Valleyofthedollymix · 04/01/2024 14:09

Stands up whopping and clapping for @Tara336 . It worked!

Note to future self: make all your wishes for end-of-life care, funerals, burials and headstones as clear and as pre-organised as possible. Currently trying to sort out my dad's interment. He was an artist who was obsessed with fonts - I knew what serif meant before I knew how to read. So I feel like I need to do well by him, but why didn't he leave any preferences? These decisions are so hard.

In tandem, we're having to work out where and how to bury our grandparents. My grandfather built his wife a totally vainglorious temple in my parents' then garden. When they moved house, my parents dumped the ashes and the stone plaque at the bottom of their new garden. For 20 years, Dad kept saying, oh I really should do something about that. Argggh.

TheShellBeach · 04/01/2024 14:04

Well done, @Tara336

Tara336 · 04/01/2024 13:32

@binkie163 had another call about it today and apparently DF can still have his full state pension as he's in care. Standing my ground obviously worked as DM sat on phone to DWP this morning to sort it. She complained how long the call wait was, how many options she had to ho through first etc and I just said well that's why I cant help anymore I have a job and your more then capable.

countrygirl99 · 04/01/2024 09:21

@binkie163 so sad. You can't do it because you don't have authority. What a pity. 😁

binkie163 · 04/01/2024 09:03

Tara336 · 03/01/2024 17:39

@Valleyofthedollymix I'm sticking with putting myself first. DM was on the phone fretting about DF pension today and how it may be taken away as he's in a care home now i wished her well with sorting it and changed the subject. Old me would have said give me the details I'll.sort it...

@Valleyofthedollymix similar here, mum died recently, she made siblings executor and poa but of course they hadn't called anyone or dealt with paperwork. So pension etc overpaid my dad was hysterical and obviously wanting me to deal with it.....errrr I wasn't good enough to be poa or executor so not actually my problem.
It does make me feel mean but I am always expected to sort shit out.

funnelfan · 04/01/2024 08:55

I took DM to an appointment with her consultant this week and the consultant asked us if we had DNR in place. They recommended it on the basis that mum is so frail that “it wouldn’t work” but by default it would be carried out unless we’d instructed otherwise.

DB and I are in agreement that if her heart stops or she stops breathing then that’s just nature taking its course on an elderly frail woman. DM won’t engage in a conversation about it and the consultant said her capacity wasn’t there for the conversation so I’ve been directed towards her GP to get the paperwork sorted. Another job to add to the list…

Shoppingfiend · 04/01/2024 06:51

Kendodd · 22/12/2023 10:16

Caught the end of somebody talking on the radio about assisted dying and saying people will feel pressure to exit because of family members. They went on to say that the affect on families should NEVER be a factor. They always then go on to talk about some fantasy world were care is perfect and plentiful. I think this needs reframing. Its presented as the child wishing the parent dead. Reading some of these stories, I would never, never, never want to put my child through this much stress and think it perfectly acceptable to consider their welfare as well in any treatment decisions.

Having said all that, I know, when it comes down to it, human beings cling to life at all costs, including costs to our own children. I remember hearing a programme on R4 ages ago about human reactions in life and death situations. And regardless of what we might think we would do, in real life situations, parents abandon their own children to safe themselves. This is how strong our instinct to survive is.

Great post. So true.

My DM had been a nurse latterly in a geriatric ward. She had also worked in a Care Home - so lots of experience of death and dying but when she went into a Care Home herself refused to sign a DNR form which the Care Home insisted on. She was mentally alert but physically very limited and frail. 88 years old.

And this -They went on to say that the affect on families should NEVER be a factor. They always then go on to talk about some fantasy world were care is perfect and plentiful.
I think family should be considered but much of the distress for families is the poor care the dying relative is receiving - not cruel but not kind. AND the patient is often distressed.

Tara336 · 03/01/2024 17:39

@Valleyofthedollymix I'm sticking with putting myself first. DM was on the phone fretting about DF pension today and how it may be taken away as he's in a care home now i wished her well with sorting it and changed the subject. Old me would have said give me the details I'll.sort it...

popularinthe80s · 03/01/2024 17:00

@StiffyByngsDogBartholomew start your sandwich book! We would all read it, and thousands of women across the country
And yes yes to the comment upthread about this being a feminist issue
We need a campaign. With articulate, connected spokeswomen.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 03/01/2024 16:00

this was another bit of my horoscope courtesy of Glamour magazine

"A career goal or dream that involves publishing, public speaking or sharing information could see Pisces strike gold in 2024. Allow yourself to take a passion project more seriously and you might even see the magic of manifestation in action."

I was thinking maybe that was some piano goals but maybe it's telling me that I should do something with that seed in the back of my mind about writing a diary of mid life sandwich woman

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StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 03/01/2024 15:55

The thing is that my parents were really good parents. Kind and loving and my dad is such a lovely man. Or he was until this wrecking ball. Now he's just a lonely man who can't grieve because mum is physically there. He's incredibly generous, gives me money, buys things for us and pays for DDs school fees.

so I feel constantly guilty and ashamed of how I react because I totally understand why he reacts how he does. I'm the only person he has. At least I have Dh, Dd, mil and my friends at work. He has nobody but me and my aunty (his brothers ex wife).

it's a total mind fuck.

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Valleyofthedollymix · 03/01/2024 15:51

@StiffyByngsDogBartholomew I got really good advice from a woman who'd gone to therapy to know how to deal with her demanding mother who had never been a great parent anyway. The therapist said, you have to treat it like a job - don't expect to enjoy it, take away the emotion and be ruthless about ringfencing. Say to yourself that the 'office' is only allowed to call you between 6-7pm in the evening and you're only on site one day a fortnight (or whatever works for you).

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 03/01/2024 15:51

Certainly. I feel jealous of my friend whose dad died because she still has her mum. I miss my mum, the old mum, so much. She's there but she's not there and I feel a pang of jealousy every time claire meets her mum or they are doing something together. I have MIL and don't get me wrong she is wonderful and I love her so much but she's not my mum

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Valleyofthedollymix · 03/01/2024 15:48

I have a friend who is constantly posting photos of her amazing 90-year-old mother doing amazing things (going in a balloon! Dancing at a gig! Drinking cocktails!) who also lives so frugally that she gifts her children excess income every month and has done all her tax planning in advance. There are four of us on this particular group chat - her, me, one whose mum died last year and wrote a vindicative will and one whose mum died of dementia a decade ago.

I felt mean but eventually I had to say, I know your mother's brilliance doesn't make my mother any worse and I should be able to celebrate it, but I'm not sure this is the appropriate forum.

So it's possible to have live-parent envy too.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 03/01/2024 15:39

and I had the exact same Dead Parent Envy with one of my best friends. Her dad was diagnosed and dead within 4 months. All very quick and he died comfortably at home. Enough time to say goodbye but not enough time to become so jaded you wish they were dead just so you might finally have time to go swimming without one eye on the clock.

i'm always clockwatching. I'm always in the car. It's always time to go to the next Duty.

thank god for DH who is totally understanding when I shout "oh fuck off" at the phone ringing when I see it is DPs number calling. And many other of my less worthy reactions to the whole situation

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