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Struggling to cope with stroke parent and feuding sibling.

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Lovingson · 23/11/2023 17:25

I’ve never done this before so apologies if it’s boring. For the record, I’m not a mum, I’m a son. I’m’ not a weirdo or anything wishing to join female sites but I’ve come to realise from research “Blokey support” is not quite there yet.

Lost my dad in 2019 to the big “C”, mum and dad been married since 1963. Loved each other to bits and he passed away in her care at home.

Needless to say, she went from travelling at 100mph to hitting a brick wall.

she really suffered (still does) as the support fell away during to lockdown.

Ended up having to give up work before I was “asked to leave” due to the amount of time I had to respond to family crisis at short notice in order to be with her and help.

she has asked me on countless occasions to “help her” so she can be with dad.

I feel so guilty that I can’t, and feel that if I’d had the balls to, her current suffering would be over and she would be at peace.

Life feels pretty shit and lonely at the moment.

Not exactly the “Blokey thing” to do posting this on here, but I’m sick of this “Man up” crap.

Anyhow, it’s Smirnoff painkiller time.

Sorry if I seem to be a “wuss” but it is what it is.

I’d like some help, and this seems a good place to find it.

i’d like to think that once I’ve got through this I’ll be there to help others.

For those who’ve managed to read my full whinge it is much appreciated.

To all on this community, take care and don’t be afraid to talk.

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Lovingson · 13/07/2024 01:31

Hi, Wearlyauld woman. Much appreciated

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Lovingson · 13/07/2024 01:24

Hi, LiterallyOnFire.

I know what you are saying is true but it's so hard not giving up on her. She was a lovely mum and I owe her so much for the sacrifices she and dad made to bring me up.

cheers

Barrie

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LiterallyOnFire · 13/07/2024 01:19

I think you need to recalibrate your ideas of what you have to do to be a "good son". You're being hard on yourself and you're going to run yourself ragged.

Lovingson · 13/07/2024 01:11

Hi everyone, well it's nearly 1 am and I've just got home from responding to mum's 5th Facetime call.

I really don't know what to do!

Got there only to find everything was fine as it can be.

She was complaining the staff were not responding to her cries for help and that they'd moved her buzzer.

After ringing the home and getting no response I felt I had no choice but to go up.

On arrival, was met by a really nice lady. She informed me that she had been in to respond to mum a couple of times and that she'd given her a drink and a couple of packets of her favourite savoury snacks.

Saw the call buzzer log and it looked like what the carer told me was true.

Sat with mum to listen to the "I can't last with this much longer". She was very tired but let her guard down confirming they had been to see her.

Her words "They think they can palm me off with a couple of packets of crisps".

I'd never mentioned that the carer had told me this before I went in to see her.

This is getting out of hand now. I can't ignore her cries for help but we're back in the "Boy who cried wolf" situation again.

the number of times I've been over when she was living at home and called the emergency services only for an ambulance crew to arrive, check her out and brought her round with a cup of tea is crazy.

I'm trying really hard to be a good son, but she's really testing my patience to the limit.

I'm already on the happy pills but this is now starting to have a bad affect between the wife and me. We've not spoken for two days since my previous visit to see mum.

As I said in my previous moans, she passes the mental capacity with flying colours, as such there's little intervention I can take without her permission.

I feel really awful for thinking or saying this but I'm finding it really hard to feel any love towards my mum.

Anyhow, that's todays rant over.

I'm sorry to post this, but in a way it helps me get things off my chest without being judged or getting into an argument.

I'm so tired physically and mentally with this.

She's gone from a lovely person into a monster.

Take care everyone, thanks for listening and I hope all of you going through the same situation find your own peace and solace.

For those who have contacted me I'm eternally grateful for your words of wisdom and support.

Night night all, wishing you all a restfulll sleep.

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Thistooshallpsss · 11/07/2024 01:10

Hi loving son you have had great advice and support from people who get it and have been where you are. I just wanted to add that in view of your religious upbringing and presumably your mother’s faith you might find it useful to have a chat with the chaplain if the home has someone they use. They would be so used to all the complex feelings surrounding caring for the elderly and watching them suffer and suffering yourself. You might get an idiot but you might find a compassionate ear to help you through this difficult and lonely time. God bless.

WearyAuldWumman · 11/07/2024 01:01

Just to add that when I say that some of the men on the ward chose not to undertake rehab for walking, I'm not exaggerating. It was a rigorous programme and a minority who had had lesser strokes than DH opted not to go beyond the wheelchair stage because they couldn't face what it entailed. In their case, rehab focused on the upper body and wheelchair transfers. However, they all improved significantly in spite of being confined to wheelchairs.

DH and the chap in the bed opposite from him had the advantage of having been very fit and active prior to their respective strokes. When my husband first started rehab, the ward doctor initially thought that being able to use a zimmer frame would be a good outcome for him; he actually left using only a walking stick.

WearyAuldWumman · 11/07/2024 00:33

Have just seen your more recent post. Good night, Lovingson. Sleep well.

WearyAuldWumman · 11/07/2024 00:32

Lovingson...My husband's stroke was the same type. Hemiparesis - loss of sensation on the left side. Couldn't even sit up in bed.

However, things improved. He was 75 when he had his stroke. He was placed in a rehab ward and given physio. To start with, they put him in a harness to bear his weight.

After 4 months of physio, he was able to walk again. Feeling did return, but unfortunately he then suffered from hypersensitivity.

Some of the men on his ward chose not to undergo walking rehab, but they still got rehab for arm movement etc. It sounds to me as though the medics aren't doing as much as they might because your mum is in a care home? (If I've got this wrong and she's not in a care home, I apologise.)

DON'T even think of "euthanising" your mum. It could go horribly wrong and cause more suffering and it would land you in a world of trouble.

My husband was able to get some enjoyment out of life again and our relationship was good again, though we had our arguments, the same as anyone else. He had another 8 years after the stroke.

After rehab, he didn't lose his appetite again until the very end - and it was a heart attack that took him then.

Bluntly, if your mum stops eating then the decision is in her own hands. Don't do it. You have the rest of your life to lead.

You're saying your mum has to be fed. I'm assuming that the speech and language people have said that her liquids need to be thickened because of a swallowing problem. Is that also why she's being fed - because they're worried about choking? Or is she simply refusing to use her right hand to feed herself?

I recall that the "swallow test" that they gave patients in our local NHS didn't seem very scientific - they tried the patients with a teaspoonful of water. If they didn't cough, they passed.

My mum had a series of strokes which weren't picked up on by us straight away. (I think she had some TIAs during the night and then others.) Latterly, she would only eat sweet things - not uncommon. I cared for both my husband and my mother and the nutritionist said that I was doing all the right things with mum - she was mainly being fed ice cream, custard and thickened nutritional drinks.

Sorry - this response isn't very well structured. It's quite late and I'm adding bits as I think of them.

Lovingson · 11/07/2024 00:14

I’ve just looked up “DOLS”, and unfortunately it doesn’t apply in this case.

My mum passes every mental health test they give her with flying colours.

The other problem I have is that my brother doesn’t want to help. He very rarely visits her and when I talk to him about her his response is “she’s in a place that will provide for her needs”.

I feel so alone dealing with her. Brother can be volatile if I ask what he regards as too much (only ask if he will visit her now and then).

Crazy as it may sound but she thinks the world of little bro.

That’s probably me being paranoid but I’ve heard it from the horses mouth as part of my visit “Beastings”.

Sorry to rant on, I’m sure it will seem I’m a bad son (though I’m sure you will disagree) but I’m not.

I’m sure this melancholy will pass (ps I’m already taking anti deppresants).

Please don’t feel sorry for me, I just need to know other people are there to listen to me venting my spleen.

This site has been a God send. I don’t need to speak to someone face to face or talk to the wife who just doesn’t get it.

ANYHOW, TIME FOR BED.

Ihope I haven’t depressed anyone too much but it’s great to get things off my chest.

Night night all xxxxx

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Lovingson · 10/07/2024 23:39

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WearyAuldWumman · 10/07/2024 22:50

Lovingson · 10/07/2024 20:56

Hi Peep’s, well it looks like we’re back to square one again. Got asked into the office today before I went to see mum. She’s getting very abusive to staff, constantly pressing her buzzer for attention. When they respond she doesn’t need anything. I’ve asked her about this and she tells me she does it just to make sure they’re doing their job.

ive tried to reason with her over this but to no avail.

I’m getting concerned and stressed again. Home management saying that if behaviour continues we’ll be asked to remove her.

Totally appreciate what they’re saying. It’s not that she’s not in control. She passes the self competence test with flying colours every time. As such, there is little that can be done without her consent.

I’m so torn. Want to do the best for her, but at the same time I need to do the right thing for her fellow neighbours.

This is not my mum, she was such a loving caring person. Whilst physically she’s still my mum, I don’t recognise this horrible person.

it’s not nice for everyone. I appreciate she is frustrated but I just don’t know what to do.

Strokes can do this, unfortunately. My late husband's hit his frontal lobe and I recall crying at work because I didn't want to go home and face him.

I was fortunate - as time progressed his original personality asserted itself and he apologised for his earlier behaviour.

I know it doesn't help, but it'll be the stroke that's doing this to your mum. Thinking of you.

tootiredtospeak · 10/07/2024 22:39

That's crazy so does my Nan she has full capacity and absolutely no dementia at all but because she acts out and we her family and the care home staff are concerned that's enough for the GP to make a referral. This is where a DOLS comes in of she refuses medication but needs it they can administer regardless. But they will try other stuff first such as talking therapies ect. She could completely refuse but again that's where the .medical professionals can invoke a DOLS. I would speak to the GP attached to the care home as it sounds to me like much more could be done.

Lovingson · 10/07/2024 21:24

Hi, tooteredtospeak. Appreciate your input. Unfortunately mum passes all the tests for mental capacity with flying colours. As such we can’t do anything without her consent.

Unfortunatelly mental health discussions with her are old school and her response is “I’m not mental”.

ive tried so much to explain to her about this and told her about my own mental health issues to try to reassure her she’s not a lunatic but to no avail.

To my shame, I’ve had thoughts about wishing she would die in her sleep. I’m not happy with those thoughts and feel like a piece of shit but I really don’t know what to do or how to feel.

sorry I’ve let friends on this site down but I’m still trying to take your advice and words of wisdom.

take care all, hope this thread may help blokes out there take the leap and reach ou to you guys.xxxxxx

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Beamur · 10/07/2024 21:17

It's such a hard time.
Remember that your Mum is the whole sum of her life and this is just a small part of it. I'd imagine she was a strong capable woman and this stage of her life must be immensely frustrating for her too.
My MIL passed away last year and spent her last few years fuming in a care home! Except she was mostly ok, often quite happy but rarely cheerful for my poor DH who she was often grumpy with.
You might find it's worth looking at care homes that do take more challenging residents if your Mum might have to move. A friend of mine had his Mum in one because she was such a terror..
Keep keeping on and do try and find some fun and kindness in real life as this is a gruelling time for you.

tootiredtospeak · 10/07/2024 21:03

My Gran is going through similar and we've had a rough 2 years she has ended up on a DOLS and is no longer the same person she was. I had to beg for the elderly people's mental health team to get involved and she is now on an anti psychotic drug and starting to see improvement. The GP from the care home referred her to the mental health team. If she isn't under this then try and get the ball rolling it's been long coming but the old her is still there a little bit.

Lovingson · 10/07/2024 20:56

Hi Peep’s, well it looks like we’re back to square one again. Got asked into the office today before I went to see mum. She’s getting very abusive to staff, constantly pressing her buzzer for attention. When they respond she doesn’t need anything. I’ve asked her about this and she tells me she does it just to make sure they’re doing their job.

ive tried to reason with her over this but to no avail.

I’m getting concerned and stressed again. Home management saying that if behaviour continues we’ll be asked to remove her.

Totally appreciate what they’re saying. It’s not that she’s not in control. She passes the self competence test with flying colours every time. As such, there is little that can be done without her consent.

I’m so torn. Want to do the best for her, but at the same time I need to do the right thing for her fellow neighbours.

This is not my mum, she was such a loving caring person. Whilst physically she’s still my mum, I don’t recognise this horrible person.

it’s not nice for everyone. I appreciate she is frustrated but I just don’t know what to do.

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Lovingson · 10/07/2024 20:39

Hi CreakyDormouse.

She was very strong person. She nursed my dad who died of cancer 2 years before lockdown.

She went from travelling at 100 mph before just hitting a brick wall.

No-one to care for any more.My mum and dad were true carers before he became ill. They sacrificed a lot to take care of their parents when their siblings got on with their lives.

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CreakyDormouse · 03/07/2024 18:20

Well done you! It is about putting a bit of bubble wrap around yourself, limiting the time you spend with her, particularly when she's unpleasant, and looking after yourself.
What was she like before she became so frail?
I'm pleased she apologised. It sounds like you handled it well. It's not easy as we do want to do our best by our ageing and ailing parents, but it's still upsetting when they get spiteful. Even if we know it's frustration and feeling unwell that's causing it.
Consider yourself hugged and enjoy the rest of your family - try not to let her take over all your thoughts!

Lovingson · 03/07/2024 18:06

Update,

went to visit mum on Monday. Pretty hostile and on parting wen’t off on a Voodoo rage telling me not to bother coming back.

Took it with a piece of salt and told her fine by me, but I’d be back to see her soon.

Pleasant surprise today, first thing she said was to apologise for her behaviour.

Thanks to all you out there for your support. I’m not going to be mums punchbag any more.

Hugs and kisses to everyone. Take care peeps x x x x x

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tsmainsqueeze · 01/07/2024 21:59

I just read your post and i can feel how hard this has affected you , i'm glad you had a good holiday you sound like you really deserved it,
My advice is - it sounds like no amount of visits you make will satisfy your mom and that you seem to be her whipping boy , you know she's safe ,hopefully she'll calm down from whatever she is getting worked up about at the moment so maybe back off a bit and make your visits a little shorter and perhaps less frequent , i get the impression you visit a lot.
If her behaviour gets her chucked out yes that's a pain but there will be somewhere else and her current home can't just throw her on the street they will have to give you notice.
I know it's hard and sad but you have a life to live too and just because your mom is in this miserable position and coming to the end of hers you must live yours and not be a slave to her , it is just so unfair for a parent to drain all pleasure from their kids life.
Best wishes to you .

Nevercloserfortherestofourlives · 01/07/2024 20:23

@Lovingson You’re very very welcome here. I hope you have a good nights sleep and we hear from you again tomorrow.
As others have said, you cannot manage this situation. The professionals are there for a reason … they know what to do far better than you. You need to look after yourself because

  1. You deserve it and
  2. Looking after yourself is crucial in order to support your mum. You can’t pour from an empty cup.
All the best. x
Lovingson · 01/07/2024 19:17

Hey you guys, Thankyou so much for your friendship and words of support, to be honest this is the best place for support I’ve been to.

it’s so nice to have friends and support.

I hope I can remain part of this community and help others who have yet to contact this group for help.

Take care, love you all and many thanks for your help and support

xxxxxxxdx

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BlueLegume · 01/07/2024 18:27

@CreakyDormouse @Lovingson yep, the homes have strategies for difficult situations . I have learnt that they actually want us as family to back off abit. I can only liken it to a good teacher/school who have a system to cope/deal with children. The last thing they need is a fussy parent rocking up mid lesson trying to make things worse/better/interfere

CreakyDormouse · 01/07/2024 17:19

Welcome back @Lovingson I also agree you can re read @redskydarknight's post over and again
What was you relationship like before all this?

In all honesty, when my mother tells me to get lost, which I assume is what you mean, I take her at her word. Over time she has come to learn that she has to behave herself if she wants me to do things for her ( I'm giving her more leeway now that she appears to have the beginnings of dementia) I will listen to her woes and commiserate with the indignity of being so much less able, but if she starts on a 'roasting' then I'm out of there. I don't even wait for her to finish.

The nusing home have strategies to cope with her and they are using you as their easy option.

I know it's hard but she is in a safe place and you and your family deserve for you to look after yourself too.

BlueLegume · 01/07/2024 16:16

@Lovingson brilliant to hear your update and glad you feel here is a safe space for venting…it is! In terms of the home my experience is it won’t be a new experience for them having residents with challenging behaviour. They will have techniques to deal with this. Remember- put your own oxygen mask on first. Your Mum is in the right place. You did not cause this and you cannot cure it. Deep breath and remind yourself you are really important. I think the post from @redskydarknight above your most recent one is one you should keep re reading as it is so well worded. Keep strong and try to distract yourself with healthy behaviours not destructive ones. Flowers

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