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Sibling and I have different approaches to clearing our parent's house - difficult!

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LindorDoubleChoc · 25/10/2023 17:06

My mother has sold her house to pay for care home fees and my one sibling and I have to deal with getting rid of the contents by completion (mid November).

Sibling lives 1.5 hours drive away from this house and I live 2.5 hours drive away.

Sibling is 66, retired and lives alone. I am 61 and work 30 hours pw and have a dh and two adult children although one is only 20 and at University but still requires quite a bit of input in some ways.

Mum's house is small and uncluttered but still filled with most of her possessions including the larger pieces of furniture. Two of these are worth about £300 to £400 each, the rest are just fairly standard items (maybe 10 of them) with a re-sale value of maybe £20 to £50 per item being optimistic.

Sibling wants to hire a van for two days (£126) and for the two of us to clear her house in those two days, including taking things to the dump, taking things to the charity shop, then filling the van with her possessions, bringing them up to the town where we live, hiring a storage facility and selling her furniture from here on EBay or FB Marketplace.

Otoh, I have found an estate valuations company who could do the whole lot for us. They will separate out the valuable things and send them to an auction house locally. They will pack and clear the house and charity/dump/or recycle as appropriate for absolutely everything. I don't know what they will charge and it may not be covered by the value of the auctionable items but I feel it will be worth it for the lack of work involved!

For myself, anything I want to keep could fit in one small box and the back of my estate car.

The trouble is my sibling has done a lot more hours already in selling the house (DIY in getting it up to scratch, a lot more visits to our parent in the last 9 months in the care home, dealing with the sale etc). I really couldn't be more grateful to him for the effort.

But I am just utterly daunted by the prospect of those two days before the sale completes. I have to take 2 days days leave from work as they are mid-week. And then the enormous chore of selling things. He is not on social media or Ebay so expects me to handle all that.

Sorry it's long. What do people think?

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Thisbig · 25/10/2023 19:04

I just think you can't make this decision until you've spoken to the valuer tomorrow as you don't yet have all the information tbh OP. I would absolutely want to do things your way but if it's going to end up costing rather than possibly making a bit of money back then I think you're going to struggle to make a case for not doing it his way. If the valuers think you'll break even you might find he comes round to the idea once the reality of having the grunt work done for him has been highlighted. Wait and see where you are tomorrow, it might work itself out easier than you expect.

Newgirls · 25/10/2023 18:51

Could it be that he wants to do this with you? To have this time together and process the new phase of life? It might be worth going along with it for at least the first day so he gets that? Maybe see it as time with him rather than a clearance issue?

CloudPop · 25/10/2023 18:49

I'm with you OP. Get someone in to sort the whole thing out once and for all. It will be quite distressing sorting everything out and driving it to charity shops etc. Let you brother take a bigger cut of whatever money is left over?

It's difficult. I know I'm going to be in a similar situation soon so have actually given this quite a lot of thought.

LindorDoubleChoc · 25/10/2023 18:47

Georgyporky · 25/10/2023 18:43

I had a similar problem with my DB re house clearance after first DM & later DF died.
We both lived 1.5/2 hours away, worked FT. I flatly refused to do it, & suggested DB could keep the proceeds of whatever he could sell ! We'd already removed cash & jewellery.
We used a company, who didn't charge as the sale of the contents covered their costs.

I would totally do that if our Mum was no longer with us @Georgyporky. But she's still here and any proceeds would go to her bank account and thence to the care home.

My thread is really all about the effort involved and our differing views on how much the effort is worth it.

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LindorDoubleChoc · 25/10/2023 18:44

BananaSpanner · 25/10/2023 18:38

I had to clear my mums house before selling it for care home fees. I am only in my early 40s, work and have two primary age children so was dreading it (not even mentioning the emotion involved) I’m also an only child so it was all on me.
I paid a house clearance company. Me and DH took the items that we wanted - sentimental items, photo albums, all paperwork for shredding and a few large furniture items that we thought we could sell. My DH is keen on eBay so was happy to do this thankfully.

Things I found out:-
-The house clearance people we used don’t take food or toxic items so it meant we had to clean out the fridge and freezer, kitchen cupboards and dispose of it all as well as tins of paint and cleaning fluids.
-Sorting and Shredding all the paperwork of someone who seemed to keep every letter and card they were sent from the 1970s takes ages!
-Items that we thought would sell for decent money on eBay were actually really hard to shift and sold for considerably less than they were worth (a nearly new leather sofa)
-The house clearance company were worth every penny. The time and stress they saved was invaluable.

I would definitely use a clearance company and if you want to sell the large items, maybe consider listing on eBay but make it clear to your brother that collections/delivery will be for him to sort.

Oh that sounds so sad and difficult @BananaSpanner Flowers.

Luckily DM was not a hoarder and a demon shredder. Infact she's shredded all sorts of paperwork that would have been useful recently!

The trouble is I know my brother has a much rosier view of his childhood and upbringing than me. Our lives were quite different - the age gap is really relevant. So I think he feels sentimental about all these things. Also, I know for a fact that he's never tried to sell anything or FB or EBay, and I have! and I know what it's like!

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Georgyporky · 25/10/2023 18:43

I had a similar problem with my DB re house clearance after first DM & later DF died.
We both lived 1.5/2 hours away, worked FT. I flatly refused to do it, & suggested DB could keep the proceeds of whatever he could sell ! We'd already removed cash & jewellery.
We used a company, who didn't charge as the sale of the contents covered their costs.

LindorDoubleChoc · 25/10/2023 18:38

SaracensMavericks · 25/10/2023 18:23

How about if you offer to meet the cost of the removals company yourself rather than split it or charge it to your mum's profits from selling the house? If you can afford it, that might be worth it for you (in terms of time saved etc) and enough to persuade your brother.

Yes I could do that. I am already paying a lot of money for something that is difficult to transport but which my Mum wants me to have and which he could not make use of (think piano). Most people give away pianos now.

The clearance company (which I found and made an appointment with), do complete house clearances - absolutely everything gone, with valuable items going to a local auction. Tip runs and charity shop runs - all at one price.

If this is less than a weeks care home fees (£1700) ... then it would be worth it?

He has done more involving the house sale, but the house was in good order. He's done some touching up of paintwork, deep cleaning (which my Mum's cleaner could have done for £15 an hour), and staging the house for sale. And getting rid of a few items already using his car. He's visited DM about once every 2 weeks, I have visited once every 4 weeks.

I did the appointments with Estate Agents and setting things in motion. I did all the sourcing of care - first from a care agency and then finding the current care home and liaising with them on all of that. Plus hospital visits, everything else.

I haven't been sitting on my big fat arse these last 2 years.

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BananaSpanner · 25/10/2023 18:38

I had to clear my mums house before selling it for care home fees. I am only in my early 40s, work and have two primary age children so was dreading it (not even mentioning the emotion involved) I’m also an only child so it was all on me.
I paid a house clearance company. Me and DH took the items that we wanted - sentimental items, photo albums, all paperwork for shredding and a few large furniture items that we thought we could sell. My DH is keen on eBay so was happy to do this thankfully.

Things I found out:-
-The house clearance people we used don’t take food or toxic items so it meant we had to clean out the fridge and freezer, kitchen cupboards and dispose of it all as well as tins of paint and cleaning fluids.
-Sorting and Shredding all the paperwork of someone who seemed to keep every letter and card they were sent from the 1970s takes ages!
-Items that we thought would sell for decent money on eBay were actually really hard to shift and sold for considerably less than they were worth (a nearly new leather sofa)
-The house clearance company were worth every penny. The time and stress they saved was invaluable.

I would definitely use a clearance company and if you want to sell the large items, maybe consider listing on eBay but make it clear to your brother that collections/delivery will be for him to sort.

FictionalCharacter · 25/10/2023 18:34

the enormous chore of selling things. He is not on social media or Ebay so expects me to handle all that.
I was seeing your brother’s POV until that. That’s not on! People who have never used EBay have no idea of the time, work and potential hassle involved. If he wants to sell things, he should find a way to do it himself.

SaracensMavericks · 25/10/2023 18:23

How about if you offer to meet the cost of the removals company yourself rather than split it or charge it to your mum's profits from selling the house? If you can afford it, that might be worth it for you (in terms of time saved etc) and enough to persuade your brother.

Walkingisgood · 25/10/2023 18:20

As with so many others have been here more than once, and there is good advice already on the work involved doing DIY clearances, especially if storage costs are involved.

You may want to check if there's a local auction house that does house clearances, and organises transfers to charity shops, disposal at the same time. They should be able to give you an indication of likely net income from that. I found that they would put lower value items in sales from their own clearance jobs, but not take similar from individuals.

Some attendance would probably be required for an estimate visit(s),
any sorting work needed pre-clearance, and attendance during clearance.

In the interest of family relationship I think a modest investment of your time would be the best course, but this would be small compared to physically emptying and disposing yourself. Good luck!

2jacqi · 25/10/2023 18:16

I couldnt be doing with selling it on ebay! easier to just get an auction house to come and take it all away and sell it. obviously you will just make sure all the wee stuff and paperwork is going unless ornaments etc are going too.

ItsFor · 25/10/2023 18:15

Not RTFT.
Where you live affects how quickly furniture will sell, if you are selling it from your house. Whether or not the buyer will need a van to collect it will too.

DiscoBeat · 25/10/2023 18:10

Get your sibling to go over and photograph the eBay or FB marketplace items, take measurements. Then send them to you, and get the items collected from the house (make clear in your ad that if needs to be collected on x date) why double handle everything?

pashmina696 · 25/10/2023 18:09

Maybe you could reach a compromise by asking an auction house to collect the furniture and any other items they think they can sell, that way you won't be paying fees to the clearance company on top of auction fees. They are often good at knowing what they can sell. Spend some time taking things to the dump/charity shop that are manageable. In terms of eBay I never deliver anything and recently sold a very large piece of furniture on eBay and insisted they had to organise a proper pick up as I didn't want it damaged. It does take time but depending on what it is it can find it's market on eBay. It's hard to know how much stuff you are dealing with but after the auction house has collected, a couple of charity shop, dump runs etc done maybe get the company in to sort the rest?

nibblessquibbles · 25/10/2023 18:06

It's almost impossible to sell things like that (the standard stuff) on ebay or Facebook for more than a couple of quid. I've tried ! Unless you are able to deliver. You will end up trying to store items for ages whilst you try to sell. If he doesn't believe us then list one item now on ebay and see how many people bid. It's worth paying the fee just to demonstrate this.
I'd get the auctioneers to take the valuable stuff and the rest just get British Heart foundation to take and then at least you cam feel like it's done some good?

Paperbagsaremine · 25/10/2023 18:04

Ok, so the facts are:

You get on
You both want to do the best for your Mum
He is not working and has done more so far and you DO recognise this

Partly, he has done more because he can and you can't, due to your differing situations - how much does he acknowledge this?

Your experience (okay, a LOT of people's experience, but you can try to flog a couple of things now, if needed, on FB / eBay, so you can honestly speak from experience) is that selling lots of not super valuable stuff is time consuming and not always straightforward.

Time which you do not have.

There are also storage costs to take into account.

Not to mention that different charity shops have different acceptance criteria.

How many people do you and he know who have successfully done what he currently is floating?
How many people get in auction houses / house clearance firms?
Most likely the answer is "um actually none" and "oh quite a lot when I come to think of it".

Why does he think that is?

Do you even have the time to teach him how to use eBay and FB marketplace?

You have to sit him down and say, "Bro, I can't see that the current plan will work, let's talk this through so we both find a solution we think is solid. I promise I'll listen to you if you listen to me."

Ultimately I think the priorities are:

  • Your relationship surviving
  • You both retaining the sentimental items you want
  • House sale going through
  • Not ending up LOSING significant money on clearing the house

It will take some time to talk him through what the likely reality of his plan is, but time well spent if he's just a bit disappointed at the end rather than mad at you.

Alltheusernamesaretakennow · 25/10/2023 18:02

Agree with PermanentTemporary...

Also, this is what we were doing this time last year. (OH is an only child and his mother is in a care home). It was very time consuming and hard work - so many timewasters to deal with too! Unfortunately, you don't have much time now to sort out the house, so your best option is going to be a clearance company.

Try to price up storage options too, to present to your brother. It feels like he has done most of the hard work up to now.

LoreleiG · 25/10/2023 17:58

I would definitely try to convince your brother about the valuations company. A friend of mine does this. The amount of effort that goes into the selling of items alone is considerable.

PermanentTemporary · 25/10/2023 17:54

I'd suck this one up, but look for ways to make it easier on you.

What about you taking a week off, going down there together and doing as much on site as you can? Do a yard sale, get info on local jumble sales and charity shops, and flog the big items on FB immediately. See if your sibling will agree that anything left after that week could go to house clearance.

Aydel · 25/10/2023 17:54

I’ve done this. Be very realistic that the furniture may not sell at all - what then? At least if the house clearance company deal with it, it becomes their problem. We ended up donating everything except furniture to Anglo Doorstep collections, who picked it up from the doorstep. Furniture went on Freecycle or in the skip.

AudiobookListener · 25/10/2023 17:53

I would not risk a hernia or a lifetime of back pain for 1 weeks' care home fees. Get the professionals in. If you try to sell on eBay buyers will want you to deliver etc.

Desecratedcoconut · 25/10/2023 17:52

It's two days, suck it up. He's already done all the heavy lifting sorting things out.

LindorDoubleChoc · 25/10/2023 17:48

Feartraining · 25/10/2023 17:44

It's a horrible job OP, and one I've done twice now. No simple solutions that I know of. Do try and talk to your brother though. DSis and I fell out badly when clearing my DMs house and we have not recovered after more than 10 years. Good luck.

This is what I want to avoid! I don't think we are going to disagree on who has what, just how to handle this next few weeks. As he is older and male (don't know why pp assumed it was a sister) he kinda always thinks he's in charge.

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saraclara · 25/10/2023 17:47

The trouble is my sibling has done a lot more hours already in selling the house (DIY in getting it up to scratch, a lot more visits to our parent in the last 9 months in the care home, dealing with the sale etc). I really couldn't be more grateful to him for the effort.

Then giving up a single weekend to support him is the least you can do.

A compromise is that the halfway decent stuff could be taken straight to the auction house rather being put in storage and you selling it on eBay. I really don't think he realizes how much storage costs, how much work eBaying is, and how little you'd get.

I'd give up my weekend willingly, given the amount of work and time that he's put in so far, but contact the auction house and arrange for everything that isn't for the tip or the charity shop to be taken straight there.

And yep. I'm his age, retired and alone. I can't imagine how hard it's been for him to do all this work and visiting without the support of a partner. It bothers me that you think that your time is worth more than his, and that it's somehow harder for you. Organisationally, maybe it is, a little. Emotionally? While you appreciate what he's done, it feels like you don't appreciate the emotional toll of it on him.

You need to step up and support him, practically and emotionally.