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So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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Lollywillowes · 16/12/2023 11:22

My mother in good health was a big advocate of dying with dignity, do not resus, power of attorney etc. she absolutely did not want to ever be incapacitated and kept alive for the sake of it; however...

Now she is ill and in that position, she's totally done a 180. She keeps asking for little interventions - "I think a good dose of antibiotics would help me" - yesterday she insisted on being taken to hospital to have her lungs drained, convinced it was the silver bullet, when drainage has been going on and on and she still feels like shit and has no form of life. Stares at the wall, can't make sense, can't concentrate, can't eat, can't even laugh. Yet still the instinct to live has kicked in...

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 16/12/2023 11:12

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/12/2023 10:59

Is it because they're so worried about being sued or prosecuted I wonder. Probably. The evil Shipman did his lifetime is dwarfed by the evil that is his legacy.

I think it's more than that.
our society now sees death as the enemy, that must be fought at every turn. The medics must win this battle or be seen to try. The patient must put up a "brave fight". If you say you wish your aged relative was dead you are met with shock horror and all the platitudes you see on here if someone says that. Couldn't put mother In a home, cherish every minute blah blah, wall mural sentiments (meaningless and insincere)
lots of medical and nursing staff are quite young and still have rose tinted spectacles on about life. Because they have yet to witness the misery of an unhealthy old age. They are educated, maybe have no experience of an elderly widow living in poverty in a falling down house she can't move around, with indifferent carers, no family nearby, who is in the throes of dementia. They (youthful medic) don't want to die so they think nobody else does either
Death is seen as a failure of medical staff, not a natural part of life. We send police officers to "unexpected deaths" where the deceased is 95 and in a nursing home. What part of that death was unexpected ? Some of our police officers are so young, they just have had no exposure to how life can be. One was appalled when I suggested that the daughter of an elderly lady from another county could indeed be told on the phone that her extremely old mother had died in her nursing home. She just didn't get that the lady had probably been waiting and hoping for this news for ages. And that it was likely not a dreadful family tragedy that would devastate her 60+ year old daughter.
I could write an essay on this but I shall stop now 😂

Gagagardener · 16/12/2023 11:08

To all of you posting on here. Think Swedish death cleaning. Make your will. Arrange powers of attorney. Write Letters of Wishes. Make sure your wider family knows what you will want when it's your turn.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 16/12/2023 11:04

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/12/2023 10:42

Until you’ve learned about shit siblings, “Golden Balls” et al, eg from this board, you don’t realise that being an only is the easier option. Just do-the best you can without a sibling going out if their way to frustrate you.

I'm so glad I don't have a sibling. Yes it might all fall to me but DH is very supportive- but has no actual say because while I may have all the aggro, I also have all the powers.
At least on here I don't have to explain the fallacy about siblings being "a wonderful support when we are old"

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/12/2023 10:59

Is it because they're so worried about being sued or prosecuted I wonder. Probably. The evil Shipman did his lifetime is dwarfed by the evil that is his legacy.

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/12/2023 10:57

someone might knock on her door and ask her to play bingo et cetera. Oh, I can sympathise with that! Grin

@Iidentifyasweirdbarbie there’s a lot of lovely people like you around. My dad was frail but with capacity, and determined to pull his own weight. One of the ladies from Morrisons, ending her shift as he’d finished his shopping, gave him a lift home, another time one of those Community Police Officers carried his shopping for him.

SierraSapphire · 16/12/2023 10:51

Thetwilightscone · 16/12/2023 10:32

Totally agree. I’m sorry you’re going through this. Don’t get me started on the antibiotic prescriptions for chest infections that are actually the best way for a frail person to go. Our relative was completely bed bound and didn’t know who anybody was and couldn’t speak, and the doctors thought it was a good idea to give her antibiotics to prevent pneumonia. Madness.

This was what happened with my dad, he did actually have pneumonia, he was 89 and had a neurological condition that meant he was pretty severely disabled, so actually the pneumonia was genuinely the old man's friend. He'd been ready to go for a while, but they still gave it one last go with the antibiotics to see if he'd rally, it was only an extra week I guess that it prolonged his life and it wasn't terrible, but it was pointless. Is it because they're so worried about being sued or prosecuted I wonder.

twilightcafe · 16/12/2023 10:45

PermanentTemporary · 16/12/2023 10:28

Totally.

In my job I do see some lovely sons who are carers, and husbands as well, and the occasional ex-husband. But I see a lot of daughters-in-law and a LOT of ex-wives.

Ex-wives?? Hmm

If I get divorced, then no way in hell am I looking after ex inlaws.

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/12/2023 10:42

EmotionalBlackmail · 16/12/2023 09:22

Ironically my shit sibling was only conceived so that I didn't have to deal with my elderly parents alone, as they'd had to do with their parents!

Until you’ve learned about shit siblings, “Golden Balls” et al, eg from this board, you don’t realise that being an only is the easier option. Just do-the best you can without a sibling going out if their way to frustrate you.

Gagagardener · 16/12/2023 10:38

Completely agree with OP. Until you've done it, you have NO IDEA. Body and mind wear out, sometimes simultaneously, sometimes not. Nature says it's time to go, and modern medicine and sentimentality say ooh noooo... I support Dignity in Dying, a campaign for choice at the end of life, because I don't want my daughter to be trapped as I was with my dearly-beloved mother. I was far away when she did die, and I didn't return for her funeral. I had done all.I could during her lifetime.

Thetwilightscone · 16/12/2023 10:32

Totally agree. I’m sorry you’re going through this. Don’t get me started on the antibiotic prescriptions for chest infections that are actually the best way for a frail person to go. Our relative was completely bed bound and didn’t know who anybody was and couldn’t speak, and the doctors thought it was a good idea to give her antibiotics to prevent pneumonia. Madness.

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/12/2023 10:30

beguilingeyes · 15/12/2023 22:30

When I was visiting my dying mum in hospital, I noticed that all the patients were women... because men usually die first, and all of the visitors were women my age, because daughters.
Men escape so much.

Are you sure she wasn’t on a women's ward? Grin Supporting DF and DH, I see an awful lot of male patients, and Ron visiting Ruby is always among the day’s entries in the nursing home visitors book - he’s there all day too.

But you’re dead right - husbands will support wives, but wives on average survive longer, so it’s down to children, and then it’s more often (not always) daughters. Looking after others is trained into us from a young age

PermanentTemporary · 16/12/2023 10:28

Totally.

In my job I do see some lovely sons who are carers, and husbands as well, and the occasional ex-husband. But I see a lot of daughters-in-law and a LOT of ex-wives.

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/12/2023 10:21

Jellycats4life · 15/12/2023 11:12

It’s one of those things that, once you start noticing it, you can’t stop: women are seen as support humans for everyone in their lives.

“Wives and mothers”

RosesAndHellebores · 16/12/2023 10:10

As the only child of two onlies having more than one child was an imperative for me not so much so they could share the load when DH and I were very old but so they didn't end up entirely alone if they didn't marry. Factor in no aunts, uncles or cousins.

Sadly the sibling thing isn't always foolproof. DH has two sisters both married and one with children. They live on the other side of the world, the one with children had feral children who have grown up on wacky baccy. One sister visits every five years and notes her disappointment about MILs ageing, whether she needs more visitors and why she isn't under various consultants. She has capacity and won't go to the Dr. DH has borne the responsibility for the last 16 years. I have no doubt whatsoever that they will be here in a flash as soon as the will needs reading.

Sibs don't always work out as one expects, although fortunately our dc are quite close and functional. DH might as well be an only child for the commitment and responsibility. The girls have never arsed themselves although thank goodness in many ways they are on the other side of the world.

Both mothers are 87 and increasingly frail. A long time ago DH and I agreed I'd take mine on when the time came and he would take on his which he has. Neither are local. I may be lumbered too with a step I don't much like.

SierraSapphire · 16/12/2023 09:27

I feel bad that I didn't give DD a sibling to help deal with me if I make old age, but I have told her that I am happy to sign something right now to say that she can put me into a home whenever she wants to 😂. I've already got my eye on a bungalow or a flat in a complex where you are living independently but there is some support if you need it and a whole community to support you. One of my mum's friends lives there and I tried to persuade my mum to move there, but there was always a reason not to, the gardens are too small, there isn't good view, someone might knock on her door and ask her to play bingo et cetera.

I was just thinking earlier, one of the factors causing burnout is unfairness, so actually our shit, siblings might be making things worse for us than if we had no siblings at all. I certainly feel mine is a negative presence.

EmotionalBlackmail · 16/12/2023 09:22

Ironically my shit sibling was only conceived so that I didn't have to deal with my elderly parents alone, as they'd had to do with their parents!

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 16/12/2023 08:57

Ah yes. The shit sibling. Mine actually made up complete lies about me to SS ‘stealing money’. Guess who was actually taking it? Yep…

And as for the awful, spiteful mother, I absolutely hear you on that one. As I’ve said before, the only teeny amount of pleasure I got at the end, was being the child who was sat with her whilst the golden child obviously had breakfast/a shower/got a coffee etc. I took much delight in explaining I wouldn’t be staying any longer to ease their guilt as I wasn’t going to allow the hospital parking to tick over onto the next hour as I was actually paying for my own parking 😂

I went home, popped a bottle of champagne and had a long bath. I’ve never cried over it. I’ve only felt relief.

Watching my MIL die slowly a few months later was just awful. She was such a lovely lady and deserved so much more than the end she received. I cried a lot for her.

Lollywillowes · 16/12/2023 08:44

Thanks everyone.
What a pile of shit.
There's a pattern here of shit siblings who get excused for being crap and then the one that is expected to drop everything. I have this weird feeling that my mum feeds off my energy when I'm there. I had thought I needed to be by her side to reassure her that everyone will be ok and she can let go. It's the opposite: if I'm by her side, her attachment to the world and living gets stronger.
She also manages to be practically incoherent with me there but bring in a doctor and she's suddenly lucid and opinionated.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 16/12/2023 08:20

@Tara336
oh my. That sounds like a whole different kind of hellish
@Lollywillowes
you’re doing great and look after yourself first and foremost coz you can’t pour from an empty cup
@TokyoSushi welcome. This thread has been amazing

VoluptuaGoodshag · 16/12/2023 08:15

@SierraSapphire feel for you re your brother. My siblings are pulling their weight but as males, they just don’t get the emotional toll of it, nor that I bear the brunt of toxic comments from mum (or at least did until she became so frail).
It’s always the women who bear this caring load. Like someone said upthread, our whole lives are spent caring for the well being of others. It’s exhausting and selfishly I’m fed up with it.

TokyoSushi · 16/12/2023 08:11

Oh hello, please can I join you? FIL is about to be moved from the hospital into a home on palliative care after 7 weeks. We couldn't say what's wrong with him really, he's just got 'an infection' that they can't find or control (I am actually content that they've really tried) and he's just slithering down the slippery slope. So it could be today, it could be in a fortnight, who knows. Judging by previous patterns I've an absolutely terrible feeling it's going to be somewhere around Christmas Day...

Tara336 · 16/12/2023 07:42

@Lollywillowes I couldn't have put it better myself, I always heard others complaining about SS but my god when you have to deal with it yourself it's an eye opener. I havecto be fair the first SW we had when DF got sectioned was a godsend, i can't praise him enough. He had to hand over to another SW and she was absolutely useless! A lot of my stress was caused by her incompetence and I spent months trying to get a new SW in the end I managed when she failed to show for a meeting at MH unit where her boss was in attendance. My health has deteriorated this year I have a chronic illness and its affected by stress, this past year when I look back I don't know how I've got through it, it's been hell.

I know the new year is just a new date really but I will start with a new attitude of "me first" because I can't do this for years DM kind of stepped back and left everything on my shoulders and I have started saying no you can sort that (wouldn't even arrange her own furniture delivery date) I can't be responsible for everything.

DB does absolutely f all to help, just makes promises then let's DM down and she still defends him, yet expects so much from me. I don't know how much longer DF will go on but I hope it ends for him and us soon, now he can't speak he just nods.

Last year I drove 130 miles in snow with DH as DF was in hospital and we were told he was dying, I got there he was sat up in bed being his usual nasty self and when I asked him to stop I'd driven all that way in the snow he said "oh poor you" he was verbally and physically aggressive in front of nursing staff but he was deemed fit to be home. SS pressed DM into giving him back with no care package.

Christmas was miserable we spent the day in uncomfortable silence in between bouts of abuse or DF standing up (with zimmer) and peeing in front of us. Boxing day DM called me and said she wanted to die, couldn't do this anymore and went missing. An amazing lady found her took her in and called me. In meantime DF was searching a neighbours home after walking in just wearing pants and a dressing gown demanding to know where DM was hiding.

This year DF is in a care home after being discharged from MH unit, I got so tired of people telling me the dementia made him nasty, he has always been a selfish bully it's just he hid it from the world but behind closed doors he made life hell for us.

I don't care what happens this year we will have an amazing Christmas I have gone all out to make sure of it I just want to end the year with some happiness

SierraSapphire · 16/12/2023 06:44

Like others have shared, every time there's a false alarm and i go into emergency mode, it takes me at least a week to find normality again and then it's with this heavy, tar black burden over EVERYTHING

@Lollywillowes This is how I feel, and actually for every A&E trip to hospital it's probably more like two weeks it takes for me to regain my equilibrium, obviously depending on the severity of it. A consultant told me that my cancer probably started at exactly the time of the highest stress with my parents, coincidence or cause, I'll never know. My mum doesn't have a terrible quality of life, despite being housebound, so I can't really wish her dead yet although were four or five times that I thought she was actually dying or was going to die in hospital, but it's the unpredictability of it all that you describe @Iidentifyasweirdbarbie that constantly hangs over me, and makes planning anything feel precarious and not a joy.

After my row with my mum on Wednesday neither of us have contacted the other, I will probably pop round today as I usually do on Saturdays, I'm trying to work out what to say without actually apologising to her for me getting upset although she will think that I'm in the wrong. It's my brother I'm pissed off with as well for doing fuck all and constantly moaning about his problems which then worries my mum and then comes back to me, but he also has no self awareness and confronting him will probably just make things worse.

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 16/12/2023 04:26

@Lollywillowes keep going and posting here. You’ve a lot going on aside from caring responsibilities. Please take time for yourself to do at least one thing for you that is based solely on increasing your personal happiness this Christmas. Tell other people to FO looking after their kids amidst all of this and why. Absolutely no one has any idea what it is like dealing with SS, the care system, hospices, hospitals, ambulances, dementia, care homes, pharmacies, GP’s and elderly relatives who refuse to help themselves (and by definition, you) until they get to experience it all - and the opinion of anyone who hasn’t been through it doesn’t count. It isn't ‘popping in’ to check on Mum/Dad etc, it’s running another house, a FT job’s worth of admin/red tape and trying not to lose your shit or your own sanity every five minutes. It’s having to decline (rare because you are no company) invitations because the minute you have a glass of wine, someone falls over/gets admitted to hospital/carers don’t show up/the heating fails etc etc.

I watched an elderly man in the bank queue ahead of me the other day looking terrified because his wallet had been ‘stolen’. He couldn’t really walk properly and couldn’t tell the staff his own name. I know I’m not an arsehole because I couldn’t stand by and just watch so I stepped in to help, directed the staff to try and help him and to call maybe his emergency contact in his phone. I thought at the end of that phone is probably someone like one of us, exhausted that Dad has left the house again having promised he wouldn’t. But he absolutely should not have been out alone and vulnerable. And I expect that during that man’s working life he probably expected that the system he had paid into all his working life would be there for him when he needed it. It absolutely isn’t and the sooner the people who make decisions about the care of the elderly in this country wake up to address the absolute shit show it is, the better. Fuck the small boats nonsense and Fuck trying to prevent much needed carers coming over to this country with their families.

To everyone still buggering on, keep going. I am still angry/traumatised (and I am not being dramatic in using that word) having been through it all, but I know there is light at the end of the Tunnel.

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