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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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Tara336 · 12/10/2023 22:30

@countrygirl99 yes it's a huge relief for us all..it felt unsafe for us (visiting) and DF as a patient in the secure unit. Where he is now is much more suitable. Just not having to fight SS on a daily basis has improved things for me. I feel like I lost a year of my life fighting for DF. Now we just have to deal with DM who is living alone trying to put the house in order and taking her frustration out on us as she's lonely. I feel like I carry so much burden still as DB won't step up and help (he is a complete waste of space)

vix3rd · 11/10/2023 12:34

My mother in law spoke to her doctor and refused further treatment
(Really no more antibiotics as they would tell us she was dying, pump her full of antibiotics & she'd rise again like a phoenix from the flames - but like you describe everything having to be stopped & restarted)

He then put a directive in place that the next time she was ill she was to be given one cycle of antibiotics and if they didn't work (they didn't) she was to go onto palliative care.
She was unconscious for a week with carers coming in and out & with a pump driver ensuring she wasn't distressed and died peacefully in the house like she wanted.

Is that something your relative would consider ?

TucSandwich · 11/10/2023 12:13

I hope you're OK @Poochypaws . I've been over in the Cockroach Cafe thread and thought of you.

Kendodd · 10/10/2023 09:58

AInightingale · 10/10/2023 09:43

When you're bed-bound and sick with no possibility of recovery, or have serious and irreversible cognitive decline, so many old people are husks of who they were. Why keep people alive with massive doses of drugs to lie in diapers, oblivious to nearly everything, being spoon-fed or tube fed. That to me echoes the most extreme pro-life position, when fanatics insist that even babies with the most hopeless prognosis must be born and die 'as God intended'.

Except its not dying 'as God intended' it being kept alive with extreme intervention, medication and vaccines.

AInightingale · 10/10/2023 09:43

When you're bed-bound and sick with no possibility of recovery, or have serious and irreversible cognitive decline, so many old people are husks of who they were. Why keep people alive with massive doses of drugs to lie in diapers, oblivious to nearly everything, being spoon-fed or tube fed. That to me echoes the most extreme pro-life position, when fanatics insist that even babies with the most hopeless prognosis must be born and die 'as God intended'.

MereDintofPandiculation · 10/10/2023 09:37

but for people with dementia they are by far the safest place If I get dementia I don’t want to be safe.

She deteriorated quickly and now needs to be fed or else she just wouldn't eat as has no hunger cues, has to wear an adult diaper so needs frequent changing. She is far better off with round the clock care available by people who are trained to care. I feel I’d be better off dead.

MereDintofPandiculation · 10/10/2023 09:33

AInightingale · 06/10/2023 17:58

Nature is telling us something when a very elderly person needs thirty tablets a day to stay alive and suffers constant infections. Why don't we listen to nature?

I’m on the usual elderly cocktail, but I’m far from ready to be written off. At what stage do you start to refuse to prescribe?

MereDintofPandiculation · 10/10/2023 09:31

He’s 85. What did they think was going to happen? 85 doesn’t seem as old when you’re in your late 70s.

countrygirl99 · 10/10/2023 07:57

@Tara336 it's a massive weight off your shoulders once they are in the right place isn't it.

Tara336 · 10/10/2023 07:46

My DF is finally in a nursing home after an almighty battle with SS. Its taken months to get home moved out of secure dementia unit ti the home and he has declined further in that time. Now he doesn't speak at all, can walk but only with a walker that he can't understand how to use. The home is hot and noisy and I hate going in there. The staff are lovely and I'm glad he is somewhere that is a hell of a lot nicer then the secure unit and he is at least not lashing out now.

DM is slowly clearing the house with our help as DF is a hoarder, we have managed two rooms so far and I am grateful she's doing it as she at least recognises what a job we would have otherwise, but it is sad having to do it but also feels like a step forward as she's wanted to clear it all for years and DF wouldn't let her. So now instead of being exhausted looking after Df we are exhausted by clearing up the mess he has left behind.

CornishGem1975 · 09/10/2023 09:37

People are so resistant to care homes sometimes @SiobhanSharpe but for people with dementia they are by far the safest place. My mum would have hurt herself, or someone else (still has happened at the care home to be fair as she meddles though she tends to be the one that gets lamped), if we hadn't moved her to a care home.

She deteriorated quickly and now needs to be fed or else she just wouldn't eat as has no hunger cues, has to wear an adult diaper so needs frequent changing. She is far better off with round the clock care available by people who are trained to care.

SiobhanSharpe · 08/10/2023 23:08

My late DM was diagnosed with Alzheimers in her late 70s and died over 10 years later, three months short of her 90th birthday.
The day she was admitted to a care home a huge weight lifted from my shoulders. She was quite happy, first in a residential care home, then when her other physical conditions worsened, in a nursing home. And I could visit as often as I could, knowing she was cared for, generally content and, most of all, safe.
I was terrified in the early days of the disease that she would come to harm at home, and there was little I could do about it, being at work every day and running to see her in the evenings and at weekends. I was a wreck mentally and physically. My anxiety was off the scale.
After she went into the care home DH and I were sorting out her house and went into her bedroom to change the bed and discovered a huge burn on her carpet right next to it, and even worse, a huge 30 cm hole burned right through her mattress. How she survived that I will never know. And she said not a word about it. Yes, a smoker...

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 08/10/2023 22:41

Sadly we’re all done here. Last parent, MIL passed away after a week-long brutal ending. DH was exhausted by the ‘quick! Come back’ calls from the care home. She had severe dementia so didn’t know who was there at the end.

I agree with the pp about putting affairs in order and preparing for the expense of old age. If there is one benefit of what we’ve been through these last 5 years it is the awareness of all of the pitfalls.

Hugs to everyone still hanging in there. You are all amazing.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 08/10/2023 17:57

@Jellycats4life that's very familiar sadly. My mum died without a will despite having dementia for years (and being aware in the earlier days that she was declining). It was such a faff to then sort things out after she died. I made my dad do a will when she was in her final weeks, even then it was a struggle as he was suspicious of lawyers and thought they cost too much (ironically it cost a small fortune to sort my mums affairs cos she died intestate).

I think many old folk are in complete denial. My dad wouldn't discuss funeral plans even though he was clearly declining so we had to stumble through a lot of it ourselves.

Jellycats4life · 07/10/2023 10:52

85yo FIL is now on end of life care too. Hospital kicked him out as soon as they could and he’s now living in a hospital bed downstairs with MIL doing the bulk of the caring (at 75 and not in the best health herself, this has been very difficult) with the standard 4x a day carer visits, and a night carer they’re paying for privately.

Prognosis is weeks but I’m starting to worry that he’ll be stubborn enough to stay alive for months. Cancer has destroyed his bones and he has numerous breaks all over his body, with the constant threat of more hanging over him.

The most frustrating thing for me, and maybe I’m being callous here, is how unprepared they have been for illness and death. DH has had to rush through POA (not that FIL gave permission for health matters anyway 🙄) and a will. MIL cries that she just can’t believe this is happening. He’s 85. What did they think was going to happen?

Admittedly, the diagnosis and decline has been rapid, but for me - after losing my grandparents in quick succession in my 30s, Covid, my Mum’s cancer treatment - I’ve never been more aware of old age, illness, death, having to clear out and sell houses, etc.

Mainly I’ve realised that, after death, all one’s possessions immediately turn into junk that just has to be disposed of as quickly as possible… Swedish death cleaning has never sounded more sensible but doesn’t work on hoarders.

countrygirl99 · 07/10/2023 05:56

MIL is now on end of life care. We got the "prepare yourselves" call just over 2 weeks ago and now she's perkier than she has been all summer. At least the agreement is now no more hospital trips or blood tests as she gets too distressed. We were first told her death was likely in a few days 8 1/2 years ago though, so goodness knows.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 06/10/2023 20:23

Thanks @BinaryDot and others. The relief took quite a while to hit me and I still get to the weekend and think I have to do something and then realise I don't need to visit him / call his GP / speak to the care home / sort something out / write another email / chase something up. Although I'm still wading through all the deathmin just now.

It was weird and I said to others it was like Stockholm Syndrome as I couldn't quite let go of things. Eg I read this thread and another one I posted about my dad having Parkinson's, over and over after he died. It was like I was so used to having it in my life I couldn't let it go even though I had wanted to for years. I'm not so bad now that it's nearly a month since he died and I'm gradually learning to embrace life again. I still can't sit still though as I always feel I have to be doing something as I've done things for so long. So I'm decorating my hall 😳🙈

Hope everyone's doing OK who's on this thread. How are you OP, @Poochypaws?

BinaryDot · 06/10/2023 19:40

@Ilikeyoursleeves that must feel both very sad and a great relief. I'm glad you're no longer in awful limbo. Take care.

AInightingale · 06/10/2023 17:58

Nature is telling us something when a very elderly person needs thirty tablets a day to stay alive and suffers constant infections. Why don't we listen to nature?

badger2005 · 06/10/2023 15:20

This thread is so cathartic to read.

RonniePickering · 12/09/2023 08:52

Agree with everything you’ve said. I have a non verbal 8 year old who requires 24 hour supervision and we’re now looking after 89 year old mainly bed bound cranky as hell FIL.
Can’t even describe how absolutely exhausted I feel, honestly feel like I’ve aged 10 years.

countrygirl99 · 11/09/2023 21:05

@Ilikeyoursleeves DH feels much the same about one of his brothers.

funnelfan · 11/09/2023 18:22

@Ilikeyoursleeves sorry you have to deal with that too. One of the silver linings I found of getting older, menopause, coping with elderly relatives, bereavement etc is that I have no fucks left to give for nonsense like people stirring things up. Having to ration your energy to deal with the absolute essentials of life really does help me see the the priorities.

this thread and others in the elderly parents board is like having an invisible army of women at my shoulder giving me much needed solidarity.

Ilikeyoursleeves · 11/09/2023 18:05

@Words I agree re this being one of the most validating threads ever. I've been so alone in my thoughts for many years and felt they were really shameful when actually they are so very understandable.

Thank you again @Poochypaws

Ilikeyoursleeves · 11/09/2023 18:03

Thank you to all those who offered condolences to my recent post about my dad dying. What an amazing bunch of people you are. To still think of others while dealing with all the hell yourselves.

I am taking a few weeks off work and I'm figuring out how to sort a funeral out. My sister (who I am estranged from) has crawled out the woodwork and is shit stirring already which I really don't need!!! One of the great things about my dad dying (and mum dying 3 years ago) is that I will no longer need to have anything to do with my sister after this. Silver linings and all that!

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