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Paying for funeral costs from the estate, how does this work?

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Flailing274 · 19/07/2023 12:21

Hi,
In the midst of an imminent bereavement this is not what I really want to spend time and energy worrying about, but needs must. My father is very very ill, and we're going to need to start organising the funeral soon. It will be myself and my sibling who organise it. I understand that funeral costs can be paid for by the estate, but how does this actually happen in practice? I have LPA for finances, and access to his bank account currently, but this will end when he does pass away. When I inform the bank that he has died, do I let them know we will need money for the funeral? If so, how is this released? Do we need to wait until probate is completed? I don't think he has a will (he refused to make one when he had capacity, and he has had Alzheimer's for a number of years), so how long does that usually take to complete? I'm just wondering if I need to try and arrange a personal loan now, or if I could use my credit card. Obviously credit card is less than ideal if we won't get any money for the funeral for some time. Thanks for any advice, sorry if you've been in this position!

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CrepuscularCritter · 09/08/2023 17:00

I am sorry you are having to deal with your imminent loss.

Natwest paid directly for my mum's funeral from her account: the funeral director costs, the crematorium fees, the celebrant and flowers, plus - I believe - the wake (a tapas place, so not necessarily a typical venue). They kept her account open so I could pay in money, while they dealt with the bills above directly. They may not have been my favourite bank, but for this, they really stepped up.

DoraSpenlow · 09/08/2023 15:33

MereDintofPandiculation · 03/08/2023 09:16

They’ll do this for funeral expenses but what about expenses for the wake?

It's a few years ago now but I do recall the bank paid the invoice for the wake as well as the undertaker. It was at a pub though, not sure if they would advance cash if you were doing the catering yourself.

MereDintofPandiculation · 03/08/2023 09:16

Someoneonlyyouknow · 03/08/2023 04:48

You don't need to do this. Banks and funeral directors have been through this lots of times and can advise. Banks will generally release funds when funeral director sends a bill

They’ll do this for funeral expenses but what about expenses for the wake?

Tracker1234 · 03/08/2023 07:42

There will also be other bills. Although you are able to cancel state pension it is very likely that they will overpay a little and come to you for payment back as Executor. You don’t need to pay until estate is granted probate but I found it much easier to just pay the overpay and it was done out of the lump sum I took out.

Someoneonlyyouknow · 03/08/2023 04:48

SugarRaye · 19/07/2023 12:29

Is it just you as beneficiary or you and close family? If it were me, I'd withdraw the money in advance so the bills could be paid and keep the receipts and any money left over for proof of how the money was spent.

You don't need to do this. Banks and funeral directors have been through this lots of times and can advise. Banks will generally release funds when funeral director sends a bill

Yellowdays · 03/08/2023 04:42

@Mum5net I did probate for a relative when their parent died. I had no experience. It took 3 months, even in these times, with the covid backlog. I suppose it depends what needs doing. A simple house sale and distributing a bit of cash where there are no disputes can be quite quick.

MammaTo · 02/08/2023 22:05

If you contact the deceaseds bank where the money is held they can pay the funeral directly to the funeral directors (can do bank transfer) they’ll just need to see the death certificate and the funeral bill.
You can then deal with the rest of the estate when you feel ready.
But just be advised they may block the deceaseds accounts and therefore no direct debits etc will be paid.

Yellowdays · 02/08/2023 21:30

Banks do release funeral funds. I know an example from earlier this year.

Tracker1234 · 02/08/2023 21:23

I withdrew £12k from parents account just before death which we knew was coming in the next 24 hrs. I was beneficiary along with siblings in will and it was very very useful. Kept records but siblings weren’t that interested. As long as I did all the paperwork it was fine by them!

Bank won’t know he has died until you tell them and I did think they might query the withdrawal on his date of death but it was fine. Could pay for their funeral, overpayments of private and state pension and the accountants fee out of the £12k.

Would definitely do this again.

Thecatisboss · 21/07/2023 10:08

Sorry for your imminent loss.

Banks will pay funeral costs with death certificate and funeral invoice usually.

Being practical get a few copies of the death certificate as you may need to send off copies to different banks/organisations and if you only have one it can be very time consuming.

Mum5net · 21/07/2023 10:04

Sorry for your situation, OP.
My DSis and I had Guardianship rather than POA so couldn’t withdraw a small ‘float’ to deal with the death / on going house maintenance expenses in advance. However, as PP have indicated it can take nine months to a year for financials to be settled and bills do need paying.
If we hadn’t have been under Guardianship. Rules I would have withdrawn a contingency float before death from the parent’s account and discussed with all siblings first. Then I’d keep meticulous details of how it is spent… extra copies of death certificate, gratuity to funeral director, window cleaning at property, service charge / grass cutting at property… Seven months down the road, DM’s house cannot be sold and needs external painting

MereDintofPandiculation · 21/07/2023 09:43

@CMOTDibbler Thanks!

LaviniasBigBloomers · 20/07/2023 11:47

I would also echo what pps have said about funeral directors - our local one is frankly amazing and couldn't do enough for me. I'd maybe read a few google reviews to see if there's anyone locally that's getting great feedback, mentally make that decision, then mentally file it away. They do absolutely know their stuff and will take you through every step.

CMOTDibbler · 20/07/2023 10:48

@MereDintofPandiculation you can do it by post . You'll need the form which you fill in with the FDs bank details etc and then send it with the death certificate to the bereavement team.

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/07/2023 10:43

Tequilamockinbird · 19/07/2023 13:02

Sorry to hear about your Dad Flowers

Unfortunately I've done this twice in the last couple of years with 2 different banks. Both times the funeral director invoiced me after the funeral had taken place. I took the invoice to the bank and they wrote me a Cheque to give to the funeral director, and took the money from the accounts.

Can this be done by telephone banking? We don’t have a bank branch within an hour’s journey.

PerfectYear321 · 19/07/2023 18:16

SugarRaye · 19/07/2023 12:29

Is it just you as beneficiary or you and close family? If it were me, I'd withdraw the money in advance so the bills could be paid and keep the receipts and any money left over for proof of how the money was spent.

This sounds sensible

thesandwich · 19/07/2023 18:14

Lloyds bank really helpful paid funeral and wake bills straight after the funeral, even though mums account was frozen. POA disappears on death.
also, get lots of copies of the death certificate- lots of places will want a copy.
and 🌺🌺.

MIBnightmare · 19/07/2023 17:20

I lost both parents within a week in April.
Chose a family run undertakers on advice from our vicar who said they would arrange everything.. and they did.

Bill went directly to their bank whose bereavement team paid it all. No deposit at all just both death certificates. They also settled the wake. (This has of course got to be 'reasonable' - so know excess booze just has to give an idea of numbers)

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 19/07/2023 13:39

I don't think it matters the type of account. They can pay because legally the first call on the estate is for funeral expenses. Natwest settled directly with the funeral director for my dad.

NecklessMumster · 19/07/2023 13:37

My dads bank agreed to pay funeral costs but there was a time lag where co op asked for a deposit before this was sorted.And we had other expenses re wake etc. I had transferred some money to my account pre death with my siblings agreement.

giraggegiraffe · 19/07/2023 13:31

I just sent the funeral invoice to the bank and they paid it directly. There was an online page where I uploaded it. I then emailed the funeral director informing them, and they sorted it out between them. Next I heard was an email from the funeral director confirming payment.

lampformyfeet · 19/07/2023 13:30

My mum just sent the bill on to the solicitor who was executor.

Ihateslugs · 19/07/2023 13:26

When my Mum died last year, the funeral director sent his invoice directly to the bank (Santander) which paid it from her account. We knew the bank accounts would be frozen as soon as we told them that she had died and as her house was rented out, we decided to transfer some of her money into an old bank account of mine that was not in regular use to cover house expenses or other unexpected costs. We had POA so we’re able to do the transfer a few days before she died and it’s a good job we did as it took us nine months to sort out probate due to delays with some tax returns and in that time we did some repairs to the rented house. Even though the rental income continued to go into Mums frozen bank account, we were not able to access it to pay bills, although existing direct debits for insurance etc were covered.

I know what we did was strictly dodgy but my siblings trusted me implicitly to manage the “slush” fund and I kept all receipts and bank statements. It saved us having to use our own money to pay for a number of things. Once mums estate is finally wound up and funds distributed, I will close the account and share the balance with my siblings.

There is no inheritance tax to pay so there is no question of us trying to hide money.

Flailing274 · 19/07/2023 13:19

On a related note though, does it matter if the money is in his current account, or a savings account? Most if his cash is in his savings account rather than his current account, they are with the same bank. I could transfer some cash from the savings into the current account now if it will make things easier.

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Flailing274 · 19/07/2023 13:17

I've just Googled it and it appears that as you say, my dad's bank can pay the funeral costs directly, which is a relief. Thanks for all your advice.

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