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Terrible experience so far hip op recovery - will it get better?

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Dougt · 11/06/2023 13:56

Hello, new to this board as mum has been independent and coping well so far but at 83 has just had a hip replacement. Otherwise well and reasonably active.

i just wanted to find out what other people’s experience of the immediate and longer term recovery is at this age.

It was done at a private hospital but NHS funded. She woke from the op at about 2pm on Friday and was discharged the following day at 11 Saturday. So less than 12 hours after op.

I understand it was decided she was suitable for this “enhanced recovery”, and she saw physio who said she was ok to be discharged. She was apparently confused and they thought this was the oxycodone so she was sent home with codeine and and paracetamol only.

my sister collected her and has been caring for her and it’s been a nightmare. She didn’t sleep, can’t move, is extremely tearful, has crutches only which are no good and was told she does not need a walking frame. 2nd night post op at home she was cold and feverish and called the hospital who told her to call 111, who told them to call and ambulance who have taken her back to hospital (NHS of course) my sister is terrified they will try to discharge her today but I hope the NHS will realise she is unsafe to be at home.

Does any of this sound normal? My sister feels she needs a proper electric hospital bed if she’s to cope at home and a walking frame so will the hospital help organise this? We were really unprepared, despite trying to do my research, the private hospital said she’d need someone with her for the first 24 hours only, that she would not need a frame (even when they discharged her) and would be fine with sticks. Even knowing about things like bed risers which might help would have been helpful!

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justasking111 · 11/06/2023 15:42

Friend in her fifties had a hip replacement unfortunately had an infection which meant readmission. I'm wondering if your mum has an infection

Kazzyhoward · 11/06/2023 15:35

My Mum had a planned hip replacement (not for a fall/accident), and was discharged from our local NHS hospital the following day. It was ridiculous, she was in extreme pain, could barely move, and hadn't had any "training" in using the crutches they thrust in her hands as discharged her. No after care was put in place - we phoned her GP and they'd not had their copy of the discharge letter, so wouldn't prescribe painkillers, etc.

She was back in hospital the next day as she'd had a "hyper" or "hypo" (can't remember which) as her diabetes was way out of control (apparently an operation and drugs they give etc can destabilise your blood sugar levels so diabetes are at higher risk - no one said that and the ward nurses didn't seem to know how to deal with diabetes. It took them a few days in hospital to stabilise the diabetes, during which time, they actually gave her physio sessions and did a proper discharge/care plan.

Thing was the op was on a Friday, so presumably they were rushing out as many patients as possible to avoid them being in over the weekend!

Poochypaws · 11/06/2023 15:28

My reasonably fit and active 84 year old dad had a hip surgery after falling off a ladder. From memory he had a partial replacement about 24 hours after falling and was kept in hospital for a while. Sorry can't remember exact times but I'm sure it was at least a week they kept him in.

He was on morphine and other painkillers that made him feel very sick and he couldn't eat at all. After about a week we asked doctor to stop morphine as he was losing loads of weight.

Sent home with carers and physio but despite this went from being fit and mobile to using a frame and really struggling with everything. Getting into bed or out a chair or turning over became really difficult.

Usually my dad was busy all the time and used to help out his neighbours with their gardens etc

When he came out of hospital he he seemed to be making a slow recovery but died 4 weeks later. (sorry probably not what you want to hear)

He had help from me, physio and carers. Unfortunately he also had my mother screaming at him and abusing him so much that he got removed from the toxic environment by a gp who witnessed it and put into a local hospital. Hard to say if he would have recovered with a loving supportive partner to help rather than an abusive one who I'm sure contributed to his decline. (He also fell off the ladder because she was meant to be holding it but went and sat down but that's another story).

For me it was a horrible 4 weeks trying to look after him and watching him getting frailer and thinner. He had several more falls in that time (again caused by trying to do too much due to his toxic environment/partner). He was in and out of hospital over those 4 weeks as he couldn't eat all at. He never regained his appetite despite my best care and died skin and bones.

I hope your mother has a better experience. Like i said I truly believe with a peaceful home life and support from my mum he may have recovered so my experience may not be typical.

So sorry for your mum. It's heartbreaking when (nice) parents that you love are ill.

DahliaMacNamara · 11/06/2023 15:19

My ILs have had a selection of emergency and elective hip replacements between them, and I don't think they had crutches at all. They used walking frames and sticks. I don't believe they'd have felt secure on crutches. They were very conscientious about their exercises, and made good physical recoveries each time.
A lot of post-discharge care is involved, especially with elderly people. It boggles my mind to think of patients being sent home the next day without proper arrangements in place for them.

LeroyJenkinssss · 11/06/2023 14:54

@teaandcake123 i think you may be confusing two different groups of patients here: Patients with hip fractures and those patients having elective hip replacements. They are incredibly different.

a hip fracture carries significant risk of mortality and often there is a decline in mobility (if patient frail to start with). So if a patient was independently mobile before then may require a stick, if used two sticks may need frame etc.

elective hip replacements are an entirely different ball game and shouldn’t really be discussed in conjunction with hip fractures. There is a lot of work going on around length of stay with one to days “standard” with an entirely reasonable aim for some patients to go home on the day of surgery. It is a very successful operation with mobility improving for almost all patients (and certainly pain improvement). Intermediate care is incredibly unusual in these patients unless there are indications known about pre-op. We used to “rest” people post op and delayed the push for return home and to activities and patients did worse. Higher risk of complications, higher risk of poor outcome.

@Dougt Im sorry your mom is struggling post op. If she’s gone to the hospital she is likely to be reassessed by physio and be provided with frame as needs be. She’s also likely to be checked over by an orthopaedic team to make sure they have no concerns. They may decide to keep her but equally if she passes safety checks they may let her go home. There’s pros and cons to each one and particularly as to which specialty admits her. I must admit I find private hospitals (even if on the NHS) quite enthusiastic in discharging patients as they normally have very fit and well (and younger) patients and seem very reluctant to keep patients beyond post op day one.

Jellylover · 11/06/2023 14:47

I agree with others that the pain relief seems poor. My step dad had a large bag of meds and I had to create a spreadsheet so mum and he could keep up with the doses and times.
another thing that helped further down the line was an waist pinny with a large pocket in the front that stored glasses, mobile phone, newspaper etc. definitely helped with carrying stuff when using crutches.

grass321 · 11/06/2023 14:44

I've just had my second hip replacement (I'm in my 40s). Mine was private so I left at the end of day four (some of the more elderly patients were still there).

I was sent home with dihydrocodeine (which I'm still taking nine weeks later as and when needed) plus a month's work of blood thinners. Also compression socks for a month.

It's a surprisingly painful op. I couldn't walk unaided without crutches until four weeks and still needed one crutch until a couple of weeks ago.

Other things I found very useful were the raised loo seats and the litter picker grippers you get on Amazon which were a life saver.

teaandcake123 · 11/06/2023 14:39

Apparently half of hip patients never get back on their feet?
Very different data depending on hip replacement as a planned procedure compared to emergency surgery after a fall.

crumpet · 11/06/2023 14:37

Has she been offered physio, and equipment at home? Definitely sort out the pain relief

Spamlla · 11/06/2023 14:33

My mum had a hip replacement a couple of years ago and got sent home fairly quickly. The NHS said she was ok to go home and manage on her own, which was bollocks because she could barely walk even with crutches, and she needed help with dressing and getting in the shower. She certainly couldn’t stand at the hob or bend down to lift anything out of the oven, or carry a plate or cup. So basically they were talking a load of shit and just wanted rid of her, because she absolutely couldn’t cope on her own.

She needed a carer 4x a day for the first month, which meant I had to use my holidays from work (impossible to get a paid carer at such short notice, especially when they were only needed for four weeks). I had to wash and dress her and bring her stuff. I cooked for her for two months, until she was able to cook and use only one stick so she had a hand free to carry her plate.

A year on she is able to walk half a mile with a stick and she goes out shopping and cooks for herself. Which is only possible because she worked so hard at physiotherapy. Apparently half of hip patients never get back on their feet?

Dougt · 11/06/2023 14:32

@teaandcake123 thank you. it def feels in her case it was.

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Dougt · 11/06/2023 14:27

Thanks. I wonder if it’s the lack of pain meds as they didn’t send her home with oxycodon just paracetamol and codeine. So she’s in too much pain to do anything. Ambulance people thought she might have a UTI.

@Jellylover that’s good to know.
Shes got the loo seat and the raised chair but that’s all.

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teaandcake123 · 11/06/2023 14:18

I am a physio working with older people. The discharge from the private hospital sounds appalling and unsafe. It’s common for older people to need to use a walking frame for a while post-op and to need help in and out of bed and to need a period of rehab before they are able to manage independently at home. Ask the new hospital if they offer “rehab beds” or “intermediate care beds”, often these are nhs funded in a non-hospital setting where physios and OTs will work with the patient to rehab them until get to return home.

Jellylover · 11/06/2023 14:12

My step dad had his hip replaced in January, aged 92. He was released less than 24 hours later with just two sticks. He was able to climb the stairs and use his normal bed but needed a higher chair to sit in and a riser on the loo, both of which we had to collect from the hospital stores. He was fastidious about doing all the exercises and has made a good recovery. It was scary going behind him up the stairs initially and watching him walk but we coped. I’d make sure your mum was seen by physio before leaving hospital as they are vital in supporting recovery. Hope it goes well for you all.

PermanentTemporary · 11/06/2023 14:05

I think you need to talk to the physiotherapist on her ward ASAP.

How was her mobility before the op?

A hip replacement is major surgery. But the less time she is in hospital the better. Talk to the physio and either ask for her to be back to baseline mobility before coming home, or if that's not going to happen, ask for her to be assessed for equipment by the occupational therapist.

Dougt · 11/06/2023 14:03

Sorry I mean less than 24 hours post op!

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