sister and motability car

The fact that your DSis is paying your DM the equivalent of what she would have otherwise received in cash suggests that your sister views this as her personal vehicle.

Not sure I could bring myself to shop her given the risk of family fall out, but I certainly wouldn’t be offering any more lifts and would make the point thay she had the car specifically to support DM.

If your mum does not already get a disability benefit like Attendance Allowance, PIP or DLA then she can make a claim for Attendance Allowance if she has significant ongoing difficulties during the day or night or both and has had these difficulties for 6 months. So if she has difficulties getting washed and dressed, moving around the house or needs help with supervision, prompting, phone calls, paper work etc then she could apply. If awarded attendance allowance and she has a formal dementia diagnosis then she could also apply for the severe mental impairment disregard which would give her money off her council tax bill ( 25% ).

The most frequently asked question I get at work is "why can't I get a motorbility car like Joan next door has, I'm far worse than she is. It's hard to explain the rules to people sometimes. People sit at community coffee mornings and church groups and hospital clinics and compare the benefits they are on and tell each other what they can and can't get without knowing the specifics of the rules regarding benefits.

Many adults do seem to still get DLA. those numbers will be dwindling, it is only those born before a certain date who never got re-assessed for PIP. There are still a fair few of them though.

No, people cannot make a new claim for DLA. Some older people have been on DLA for years and don't get re-assessed, so if they had mobility before turning pension age they just carry on getting it forever really as don't seem to get re-assessed. I guess DWP think that as people age , then mobility is unlikely to improve. If however a person is already over state pension and not in receipt of a disability benefit already when they turn state pension age, they can only apply for Attendance allowance which has no mobility element. So you end up with two elderly people who may be equally restricted with mobility issues wheras one can be getting DLA or PIp and a motorbility car paid for, and another can't get any mobility component. It's an unfair situation and many older people get very upset about it when they find out they can't get a motorbility car ! I guess the government think that eventually most elderley people's mobility would be poor enough to qualify nd they can't be affording motorbility cars for all. many people do continue to drive well into their eighties and I guess as mobility gets poorer, they rely on their cars more yet many can't afford to get any help like those that get morobility do.

@nokidshere Please stop attacking everyone

Lol except I don't write that post, you are quoting the wrong person 😂 chill

IPlease try reading my full post before attempting to correct me!

I did. But in the event you are struggling, this is what I responded to...

Also, adults are no longer in receipt of DLA! It is now only in existence for disabled children (apart from an exceptionally tiny number of people).

So, it seems your argument that adults don't get DLA was indeed nonsense, as I said, and you even went on to confirm as such.

@nokidshere Please stop attacking everyone!

No, it really isn't!

So as a tax payer I’m paying for your sister to have a new car? Nice.

Does your mum get dla just for being old and having dementia ?
My mum is in this position , I didn't know you could get dla ! 🤔

Please try reading my full post before attempting to correct me! 🤦🏼‍♀️

@thebestbirtheraccordingtoDD I'm afraid it's not bollocks! I've known it to happen a few times! My late DH's brother had this happen to him!

nokidshere I'm sorry but you're wrong! The car if driven by someone other than the disabled person then it MUST be for the disabled person's benefit and they must be named on the insurance. THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS IN MY MOTABILITY LEASE DOCUMENT FFS! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That's what I said?

This is not true it just has to be for the mum's benefit!

@nokidshere I'm sorry but you're wrong! The car if driven by someone other than the disabled person then it MUST be for the disabled person's benefit and they must be named on the insurance. THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS IN MY MOTABILITY LEASE DOCUMENT FFS! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I think the point is when a notability car is being used as a family car for someone living in the home, or for a relative being taken on days out, to appointments, shopping etc it's absolutely fine. When a relative has the car at theirs permanently, does not take the disabled person out at all and basically uses the car just as their own personal car with no benefit what so ever for the person it's intended to be used for is when it's taking the absolute piss and is fraudulent.

It's not illegal. Every case is different and to be discussed and insured as such with motability. A child's motability car can be used as the family car to do everyday things while the child is in school. Motability will approve this - they don't expect 2 cars to sit on the drive needlessly.

Bloody hell. My mother has a motability car that I'm also a named driver on, so I can drive her to appointments etc. When her car was at mine for a couple of weeks (I'd taken her to and from the airport and it was safer here while she was away) we had to let Motability know. What your sister is doing is very, very wrong and makes it worse for others - it's the reason the cars are being fitted with tracking devices, for instance. Additionally, the onboard computer is checked during services, which have to be done at the Motability garages.

You are right to step back and make your sister step up - but if she is caught and prosecuted for fraud, and says that you knew and did nothing, then you might also face legal problems.

You aren't allowed to, it's supposed to be only for use with the disabled person to ferry around. They get a £20k+ car, free insurance, free servicing, tyres etc and pay the relative the £250 or whatever the payment would be.

Please try reading the actual terms. It is not to be only used for "ferrying the disabled person around". They have been stated often enough on this thread. The terms are that the car must be used by the person with disabilities or if driven by someone else, for their benefit. The definition of benefit is flexible and does not need to involve driving them personally or doing an errand for them.

If people are taking a relatives car for personal gain, that is wrong and should be reported. But driving a motability car is not as restricted as people seem to believe. And I had this confirmed by motability themselves only 4 weeks ago.

It's a wonder that anyone here still has anything to do with their friends and relatives given that so many of them are liars, cheats and frauds. I must be really weird - I don't have any friends or relatives who are benefit thieves.

I've known a few folk do this. You aren't allowed to, it's supposed to be only for use with the disabled person to ferry around. They get a £20k+ car, free insurance, free servicing, tyres etc and pay the relative the £250 or whatever the payment would be.

My dh's friend got the car taken away as his mum let slip at one of her assessments that he takes it home and uses it all the time.

A friend of mine did this with her dads disability car too but she's decided to give it back and let him take the payment instead. Another relative she knew that did the same had to return the car within a week when the disabled relative died.

Motability even give grants for driving lessons, so it would be ridiculous if they never had any cars available for young drivers, which is what your first post said, wouldn’t it?

No, it said "unless they are the claimant".

Why didn't your sister just lease a car it makes no sense, your poor mum probably couldn't say no and thought she was being nice! Just give your Sister your mum's appointments and errand lists and let her crack on.

Two drivers only on application and others can be added later if, as I said, there are multiple carers involved.

Everyone can have 3 drivers. You don’t need to have multiple carers involved. We have me, DH and DS1. Me and DH went on at application, DS1 went on a couple of days later. It’s been like that on mine for the past decade, or so, but it’s only recently that the third driver has been free of charge.

The age of the driver depends on the car - some (like my mums) don't allow under 25's at all not even the claimant but that's because it's a big car with a big engine if it was a small car with a 1.2 engine under 25's could drive it.Also untrue. My car is only a 1.1 and still needs to be over 25 to drive it.

Maybe your car can’t be driven by someone under the age of 25 but there are many cars that can be. 16yos in receipt of full mobility allowance on PIP or DLA can do their driving tests and apply for Motability cars. Motability even give grants for driving lessons, so it would be ridiculous if they never had any cars available for young drivers, which is what your first post said, wouldn’t it?

There's nothing up look up, this is outright fraud.