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Sectioning (help/experience)

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FlatOutAgain · 08/01/2023 10:28

Asking on here in case someone has experience or any answers. Those who have followed my threads know the issues with mum.

I am typing whilst waiting for a call back but as I have no knowledge of this someone else might.

Mum smashed up her room last night (again), has bitten and punched staff and has poured water into electrical appliances. She is a danger to herself and other residents as she has been going into other rooms and hiding etc. She has caused so many issues in only 9 days.

The care home have said they cannot cope with her and we have to pick her up. I can't just pick her up and put her with my 85 year old dad. I called 111 and they called the care home to assess. We are now waiting for a nurse/paramedic to call the care home to assess. All of the mental health services are not available on a sunday.

Anything anyone else can think of? I will pop back now and then to see if there is any advice. Sorry to ask on here but I am just trying every option I have

thank you

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Karwomannghia · 08/01/2023 20:56

Yes they will only take action if no alternative which there isn’t. My mum was in last year and it was the right thing. Home team will prob go in first and decide she needs more. Good luck

Zola1 · 08/01/2023 20:26

I work on an Emergency Duty Team and this isn't uncommon unfortunately...echo everyone who said don't pick her up, ring EDT and ask for advice and help. Sometimes just the liaison from someone with Social Worker title can be enough to make the home chill out. Hope it got sorted for your poor Mum.

User4873628 · 08/01/2023 20:17

I've followed your story and was hoping things would settle down for your mum.

This sounds truly hideous and I'm really sorry. How awful for your whole family, including your mum. No-one wants to see this kind of thing for their loved ones. I hated when people saw my gran's irrational behaviour. That wasn't who she was at all.

I have no advice, I'm sorry.

Spidey66 · 08/01/2023 17:04

Sorry I see you have contacted Crisis services. Mental health services are so stretched that those in care homes are likely to be less of a priority.

Spidey66 · 08/01/2023 17:02

She cannot be picked up on a S136 unless she is in a public place. I don't think a residential care setting counts, but that's a grey area.

Have you considered A&E? They will have a psych liason service. Alternatively check if your local mental health service has a Crisis Line, which are 24 hour services dealing with emergencies.

Soontobe60 · 08/01/2023 17:01

I’m surprised the Care home have not already alerted the MH team! My stepfather is in a home - he went for 2 week’s respite following a hospital stay last year and is now there permanently. As soon as he was admitted the care home manager phoned me and said he was much worse than they thought he would be and she would be contacting the MH team. They visited hi within a couple of days, he saw a MN nurse and doctor. They adjusted his meds and he was referred to the DOLS team. All this was triggered by the call from the care home manager to the mental health services.
When you next speak to the care home, ask them what risk assessment is in place and that they complete ABC charts from now on. You also want a comprehensive record of what’s happened so far. You will need this info if you’re considering applying for continuing healthcare funding.
As others have said, do NOT take her home. You could start looking at other homes that would cater for her needs better - if they have vacancies they will go out and assess her.

fortifiedwithtea · 08/01/2023 16:53

Sorry I don’t know your back story. Apologies if this has already been done.

has the home sort medical assessment in case this behaviour is caused by a UTI ?

Agree with what’s been said already, Don’t collect your mum.

Nimbostratus100 · 08/01/2023 16:44

This is such a horrible situation for you. YOu are in my thoughts

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FlatOutAgain · 08/01/2023 13:23

Just realised that I had already called the acute team at the LA who said 111

Thank you

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FlatOutAgain · 08/01/2023 13:20

Thank you. 111 are dealing with it but have a backlog. 111 and me have updated the care home. I have looked at a Section 136 and can refuse to have her taken home.

Thank you again and based on everyone's advice I will not pick her up.

Spoke to a clinical psychologist who seems to think that the situation is salvageable if mum can get access to the Mental Health team and then be assessed for the correct medication.

I have called as many services as possible, crisis team, mental health support, opmh, local hospitals etc. All say to stick with 111 so that is where we are at present.

Thank you again

@Mum5net going to try to find out if we have a LA MH person.

thank you

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KangarooKenny · 08/01/2023 12:24

Do not collect her. Do not go to the home.

Starlightdarkness · 08/01/2023 12:23

Don't collect her. Unfortunately we ended up with the police in a similar situation but they were fantastic and got him to hospital.
After a fairly long stay for assesment we ended up with a secure elderly psych placement who were utterly marvellous and he stayed there until he died. But we had to go through a fair few bumps to get there.
We got continuing health care funding, when this immediate crisis is over I'd have a look at the funding requirements and start collecting your examples/evidence for when you end up at panel.

Nimbostratus100 · 08/01/2023 12:16

no, dont pick her up, if a team in the home cant cope with her, how could you by yourself? She is safer there, until sectioned

Th1me · 08/01/2023 12:15

Phone local social services, the will have an emergency duty team who can help.

poobaloo · 08/01/2023 12:13

The home should also be able to access a rapid response team of some kind (they have different titles in different areas) rather than waiting for 111.

poobaloo · 08/01/2023 12:11

Oh gosh this sounds hard. I agree don't pick her up. She needs to be assessed by a clinician who can then help decide what the next atria would be. She's in a home as she was no longer able to live at home safely so taking her back home should not be an option. She may end up being taken to hospital on ground of deterioration of mental health or a "social admission" which of course it isn't.
How was she until 9 days ago? Could she have an infection that has caused delirium?
You / the home need to leave it to the professionals to deal with. Tell them you do not have a safe place to take her so they must wait for the nurse / paramedics.
So sorry OP Flowers

Mum5net · 08/01/2023 11:54

Is there a Duty MH officer with your Council who will be on an emergency weekend rota?
my DM got sectioned on a Friday. It involved our GP in our town, the local council MH officer for our town and the SW from DM’s town as DM was staying in our house.
My first call would be to your social work department emergency help number.
sorry you are in this position

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FlatOutAgain · 08/01/2023 10:29

Should also say that my sister (lives over 2 hrs away) says do not pick mum up whatever else happens. Is this good advice?

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