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How do I make peace with this?

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MissingYellowzigzags · 02/01/2023 07:03

DM (75, good health)has finally written a will after 2 years of discussion and upset. She has left a small amount to each grandchild and divided the rest of her estate (approx £1mil) between my 2 siblings. I get her engagement ring (£1500). That’s it. Her reasoning is that ‘you don’t need the money’ and ‘we’ve spent more time together, which is more important’. Siblings and I all earn in the same ballpark. My DH earns significantly more than siblings. She simply doesn’t get that it’s not about the money it’s about value and fairness. I’d be fine if she was giving it all away- that would be fair. What have I done that makes me so undeserving?
my mum used to be my rock. We were so close. I’m really struggling to move on from this. Has anyone been in a similar position and managed to make peace with a parental choice like this?

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MereDintofPandiculation · 27/03/2023 17:05

how much is it going to hurt when her will is read out and I get nothing? That’s one thing you needn’t worry about - will’s aren’t usually read out.

LadyEloise1 · 27/03/2023 16:56

In our wider family it was similar- the lazy brother, who did nothing for anybody, who suited himself, drank too much but was the golden child got far more than the caring angel that was his sister.
My cousin still hasn't got over it. It hurt her to the quick.

anythinginapinch · 27/03/2023 15:12

Bloody hell that's mean. Horrible.
My DM has had far more time with me than my "D"B because I'm a better DD than he is a DS. Frankly I think I should get more not less of her inheritance (not that she has anything, tbc).

Bonheurdupasse · 27/03/2023 15:05

Fraine · 27/03/2023 13:06

Keep going to therapy but keep the contact low.

Let her realise what it's like without you in her life in meaningful way.

And if she does leave it all to DBs and they accept it, I would go NC with them both.

This OP

WigglyWaggly · 27/03/2023 14:53

Your Mums behaviour is either extremely nasty or slightly deranged. It looks like the former.

I'd struggle having any relationship with her.

saraclara · 27/03/2023 14:46

MissingYellowzigzags · 27/03/2023 10:40

@saraclara the family therapist also thinks my mum is well off the mark. She is trying to stay neutral, but obviously struggling. When my mum went about about how much of her time I had had, the therapist asked "Have your sons not had any of your time?" to which my mum replied "of course they have", to which the therapist said "how are you accounting for the time spent with your sons in your calculations?" to which of course my mum doesn't have an answer. The therapist also pointed out that its completely normal for daughters to spend more time with their mothers' than sons, but this is being used to financially penalise me.
This week she got my mum to admit that it isn't about time at all, and purely about the amount of money my DH earns (siblings and I all earn within 4 figures of each other).

I'm glad that the therapist is, carefully, (given her role) making it clear that she empathises with you, and she's trying to get your mum to understand what she's doing.
It's bizarre that your mum cannot understand it herself. You and your family moved to be nearer her, which in itself was an act of kindness, yet she's punishing you for it. It's beyond comprehension really.

I've been on the other side of this. My mum has been determined to disinherit my brother. He's the one who lives near her and does everything for her that she needs (beyond care, as she's in an extra care facility). I've had row over row with her over it (it's not as simple as a will, it involves a couple of houses, one of which he's lived in with his wife for 25 years).

The difference between your situation and his, is that he's oblivious to her machinations, and should I fail to prevent it happening, anything I gain at his expense will be put right by me after her death. But it won't take away from the hurt, I'm sure. Even though it won't take him by surprise. We both know that she's not a nice person.

It's all the harder for you though, because you were so close before. I'm so sorry.

LimeCheesecake · 27/03/2023 14:31

It is clearly sexism and old fashioned idea that wealth should pass down the male line.

Given that she clearly doesn’t have a high opinion of you - and possibly all woman - do you think it’s a good idea for DD to have 1-2-1 time with your mother? I’d look carefully at that time they have together, not as punishment for your mum, but because I’d worry what was said to DD. If being round your mum isn’t good for your mental health, is it good for your daughter?

bigbabycooker · 27/03/2023 13:32

Hi OP, I feel very sorry for you.

Basically, it is sexism. It's irrelevant how much your earn - if you were a SAHM she would probably still disinherit you based on what DH earns. The point is that the boys are the "providers" and she wants to make them at least equal to your DH and you are the "carer" who is expected to run around after everyone and provide unpaid labour. It's really up to you how much you want to be seen in this way - your aunt clearly has the same values.

One of the reasons why splitting inheritances equally is fair (aside from the emotional/favouritism aspect) is a form of Rawlsian philosophy in terms of splitting the cake. It's not possible to be precisely fair, because the clock on what you all have doesn't stop when your mum dies - your husband could get ill or leave, a brother could win the lottery or get a better job, or a brother's wife could leave and take him to the cleaners. I think that there's a case for a less equal split if, for example, one sibling's basic needs cannot be met without it, but this is not in that territory and your mum is being very unfair.

When your mum says she has given you a lot of time, is this unencumbered mutually agreeable time, or time where you need to make yourself available to do something for her? I'm not saying there's no value in time, but often people don't really value women's time, or the things they might do for themselves if they were not running around pleasing someone else.

You are allowed to feel sad and disappointed. I think it is healthy to try to get a bit of distance and I think it is helpful to frame it in that way to your brother and aunt - it's her decision and you just don't see her in the same way, so you are distancing yourself to protect yourself from further hurt.

Fraine · 27/03/2023 13:06

Keep going to therapy but keep the contact low.

Let her realise what it's like without you in her life in meaningful way.

And if she does leave it all to DBs and they accept it, I would go NC with them both.

rookiemere · 27/03/2023 13:00

Actually reflecting on this again, the family therapy is making progress. The fact she has admitted the current split of inheritance is down to your DHs earnings is a huge step forward for her.

My guess is it's not even about you, it's about her treatment all those years ago. If she admits she is treating you shabbily, then she has to admit that she too was badly served.

Itstillgoeson · 27/03/2023 12:46

MissingYellowzigzags · 02/01/2023 20:02

@Anotherbloomingchristmas …..this is almost unbelievable……her DH died young and his life insurance paid off the family home which has increased x20 in value.
as for her own parents…..she was excluded in their Will. Her DBs got the family business, several properties and all the money. She got nothing…..and was apparently fine with that. In fact one of her siblings almost bankrupted the business and she bailed him out!!!

So sorry OP. Was there favourable treatment of your brothers when younger? My parents struggled with my brother, but sent him to private school (undiagnosed ASD, with the local school raising concerns was a factor) and funded Uni for him. I went to the local comp and had to work through Uni, despite better grades. In our case I wonder how much it is a case of clutching at 'upper class traditions' with the son favoured.

SnowAndIceLobelia · 27/03/2023 12:36

So sorry OP. I really feel for you and understand how hurt you feel. Thanks

ghjklo · 27/03/2023 10:54

OP that sounds terribly sad on your part. Does she have form for treating others like this, or has she done anything historically that might nod towards this behaviour? It sounds like she's punishing you in some way. Does she have some deep rooted sexism that she might not be aware of? (If she's treating sons and daughters differently that might be the case). I simply cannot imagine why any caring parent would do this to their child.

rookiemere · 27/03/2023 10:52

Keep going with the family therapy.

It's so odd that your DM clearly values her relationship with you so highly that she is prepared to do this, but the cognitive dissonance between that and her actions doesn't seem to be resonating yet.

MissingYellowzigzags · 27/03/2023 10:40

@saraclara the family therapist also thinks my mum is well off the mark. She is trying to stay neutral, but obviously struggling. When my mum went about about how much of her time I had had, the therapist asked "Have your sons not had any of your time?" to which my mum replied "of course they have", to which the therapist said "how are you accounting for the time spent with your sons in your calculations?" to which of course my mum doesn't have an answer. The therapist also pointed out that its completely normal for daughters to spend more time with their mothers' than sons, but this is being used to financially penalise me.
This week she got my mum to admit that it isn't about time at all, and purely about the amount of money my DH earns (siblings and I all earn within 4 figures of each other).

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harriethoyle · 27/03/2023 10:29

@MissingYellowzigzags This is absolutely not on you - it's on them. I would be minded to find some space from your brother (very easy to say he wouldn't mind being cut out when he knows full well he isn't) and I'd be continuing LC with your Mum, if not NC. I really hope you are OK, this must be devastating.

Roselilly36 · 27/03/2023 10:25

Sending hugs OP, understandably you are very upset Flowers I get that it’s not about the finance, it about feeling you don’t have the same worth as your siblings to mum.

My mum was very toxic, and if she fell out with you she would do her utmost to stop everyone else in the family talking to do too. people that have lovely mums really don’t understand how intolerable and upsetting these complicated family situations can be.

It doesn’t sound like your mum will change her mum, even given that she knows how much this decision has hurt you. You can’t change your mum, but you can protect yourself against the upset, by staying away.

Wishing you all the best OP

HazelBite · 27/03/2023 10:17

This is very difficult OP. I'm guessing that you are feeling a huge sense of rejection, will you, knowing what you know, be able to get over this? Will you be able to go back to your previous relationship with her and your other family members?
My opinion, probably not I know it would take a great deal of time for me to accept all of this and be okay especially with the other family members.
From my own experience of family strife I would suggest not discussing it with family members who are close it inevitably makes things worse as people feel the need to "take sides"

saraclara · 27/03/2023 10:09

What was the family therapist's input into the conversation, OP?

beastlyslumber · 27/03/2023 10:08

I'm so sorry OP. I think your mum is being unbelievably cruel. It sounds like she is enjoying having power over you and hurting you this way.

Honestly, I would cut contact with her to as little as you can manage. Pay for nothing. Let her know that this has damaged your relationship beyond repair. It is her choice, but choices have consequences.

She is treating you very cruelly and your brother is joining in. This kind of injustice can't be accepted - it will make you ill. You can reject this treatment and send a clear message that you are worth so much more.

See an individual therapist if you can. This is very hard.

MissingYellowzigzags · 27/03/2023 09:55

I'm just updating this thread as I'm feeling so low and sad over the whole situation. I'm hoping writing might help. I've been low contact since 1st Jan. My dd does a club next to DMs house on a weekly basis and always wants to see granny after, so I've allowed that to continue, but I've sat in the car and waited for them. It was DMs birthday last week and obviously Mother's Day. I didn't feel like I could completely ignore either. One of my DBs organised mothers day lunch (after I sent a family WA saying I wouldn't be doing anything, but would turn up to anything they arranged). I trawled several card shops to find a card that didn't gush about what an amazing mother she'd been. I left a plant by her door. I didn't see her one her birthday.
I suggested family therapy and she agreed; but its just upsetting me more. We've established that using "time spent" with me was just a way to justify her decision and in her words her decision is based purely on "evening up" the financial differences in our households; the fact that one DB is married with DC and the other is single but she's divided her assets 50:50 doesn't appear to have a bearing on her "evening up" decision.
She said in the first session she was "devastated" that it had come to this. I pointed out that we'd talked about this for 2 years, I had told her several times in person, by text and in emails how cutting me out would make me feel, yet she's gone ahead and done it anyway...and now claims to be devastated. what did she think would happen?
I've now also had a huge row with one DB over it. He thinks I'm being ridiculous and selfish - but isn't offering to share his inheritance and says he wouldn't care if he was left out (which I don't believe), because time is more important.
With regard to her own experience of being left out, she said "well I didn't need it". Ive pointed out that neither did the single childless sibling that got it all.
DD likes to have sleepovers with DM. I've suggested to DM that at DD birthday and Christmas she doesn't give her gifts and instead tells her she had sleepovers (time). DM says that's different.
There is no persuading her, and she has turned DB and my favourite aunt against me too.
Am I going to regret this when she dies? should I not be trying to make this work to enjoy the twilight years of her life with her? If i make amends (and I don't even think I can) how much is it going to hurt when her will is read out and I get nothing? How can we do stuff together where she will expect me to pay (because she always does) and if I do I know that its just more money going to my DBs.
I am just so sad. Today I just want to cry.

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hattie43 · 17/01/2023 05:52

MissingYellowzigzags · 02/01/2023 10:18

@HoppingPavlova I don’t think most families are like yours!!

I agree .
Terribly unfair and I can't believe the ' children ' are genuinely happy with this . It really irks me that those that achieve something in life are cut out a will . IME unfair wills do nothing but give rise to family estrangements and bad feeling .

deeperthanallroses · 15/01/2023 02:02

The relationship would have to change. I’d be too hurt for anything else. If you don’t like the ring, tell her you will throw it off a pier. It sounds like you would only have unkind memories to associate with it so it would be the best thing to do if she leaves it to you.
Where would you like to live? I would have serious discussions with my Dh to make sure we weren’t living our life to support her anymore. What does emigrating to australia or somewhere else look like? Can’t hurt to discuss it! Can you afford a holiday far away like that? Id agree with my Dh to be absent for several full days and nights next time she needs care, email brothers and mum youre away /supporting your dh with something and unavailable. After all, he is the one who supports you apparently, she must expect yiu to prioritise that.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 15/01/2023 01:43

Every time I read these situations I feel it says a lot more about the person who is writing the will than the person they leave out. Clearly she thinks she doesn’t have to do anything to win your favour, whereas her sons, she’s being a bit desperate, unfortunately they will just carry on as they are because they see it’s working for them. She is a fool. And they know it.

You have been handed a get out of jail card re caring though. Presumably your siblings won’t want the house sold to cover care costs, but that bares no impact on you. They are next of kin and should have full responsibility. You have earned your right to freedom. You don’t need to go no contact, but all contact should be entirely on your terms now.

Wayk · 14/01/2023 23:54

I hope your mother changes her will to include you

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