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How do I make peace with this?

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MissingYellowzigzags · 02/01/2023 07:03

DM (75, good health)has finally written a will after 2 years of discussion and upset. She has left a small amount to each grandchild and divided the rest of her estate (approx £1mil) between my 2 siblings. I get her engagement ring (£1500). That’s it. Her reasoning is that ‘you don’t need the money’ and ‘we’ve spent more time together, which is more important’. Siblings and I all earn in the same ballpark. My DH earns significantly more than siblings. She simply doesn’t get that it’s not about the money it’s about value and fairness. I’d be fine if she was giving it all away- that would be fair. What have I done that makes me so undeserving?
my mum used to be my rock. We were so close. I’m really struggling to move on from this. Has anyone been in a similar position and managed to make peace with a parental choice like this?

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Mañanarama · 02/01/2023 16:01

ridiculoso82 · 02/01/2023 15:55

Uproot her children, school, work, friends, home…. Simply to not be available to your mother?

I’ve seen people have their retirement severely restricted by being around for elderly parents. My mum has made it very clear she would never expect us constantly on hand for her and I’m grateful there’s no pressure. In OP’s circumstances I wouldn’t hesitate to move away, no guilt whatsoever. At the very least I’d be going low contact immediately. And it’s not about the amount of money, it’s the unfairness of it.

Fraine · 02/01/2023 15:59

YANBU, OP.

Could you explain to her that if DH leaves you or does then you will have much, much less?

If she won’t budge then I don’t see what else you could except go NC.

Maybe a fee months of NC will show here how valuable you are. And if doesn’t, let the witch die alone.

Crumpleton · 02/01/2023 15:58

Roussette · 02/01/2023 14:56

Can I ask how it has affected your relationship with your sibling?

@Roussette..
I haven't spoken to them for years, long before I was told of the will. DM/DF doesn't have a good word to say about sibling either but feel obliged. But truth be told they know they're both a bad lot but feed it as they feel sorry for the, which pretty much anyone with any sence knows isn't the way to go.
They really ooze entitlement on a high level.
Sibling is one of life's (self made) victims and so negative, her imitate family is a car crash yet slates everyone else's.
I'm younger, late 50's and had finally had enough, it really does drag you down after years if it.
Wasn't appreciated as I was at their beck and call so still being slated off to anyone who'll listen.

TBH I'm not in the least bit bothered, not something I think about on a day to day and it wasn't a surprise when I was told, parents know in their hearts that it'll probably all be wasted but that's their choice.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/01/2023 15:57

I've always been very much in the camp of "Those who expect nothing won't be disappointed", but it's the different handling of the siblings here which would rankle - she'd almost have done better to leave the whole lot to the cats' home

The only way to "make peace" with this is to face the fact she's made her choice.
However you also have choices, OP, and if it was me one of them would be to tell her straight that she can forget any "expectations" around care

ridiculoso82 · 02/01/2023 15:56

Would I be upset? Yes

Would I abandon my mother who the OP says she loves very much, in old age with no other family in the county? Heck no

ridiculoso82 · 02/01/2023 15:55

Mañanarama · 02/01/2023 15:51

I’d move. Seriously, I’d move far away so that I wasn’t the poor sod left doing all the running in her old age. I couldn’t get past how unfair and hurtful this is and would make it very clear there’d be much less contact and help going forward, see how your brothers step up. Love her or not, this is just nasty.

Uproot her children, school, work, friends, home…. Simply to not be available to your mother?

Wannago · 02/01/2023 15:55

MissingYellowzigzags · 02/01/2023 08:17

@Billybagpuss i see her all the time - at least 2-3 times a week. We moved 100 miles a few years ago so we were around to help her out as she got older - that was our choice, there was no pressure. She is the most amazing involved granny (before someone asks, she helps out with childcare if we are stuck, but we have a nanny for day to day life. We have offered to pay and she has always declined….presumably it’s been chalked up in her secret spreadsheet along with all the hours her and I have hung out together over the years) I love her so much….this is why this hurts so much.

@MissingYellowzigzags I really think, like everybody else says, you need to cut down contact. If you are seeing her 2-3 times a week, you could easily cut it down noticeably now. I also think you need to have a mantra when she phones to ask you to do something. Something like "since you value my brothers more than me, I think you need to ask them". Or "since you value my brothers more than me, I'm afraid I won't be coming to visit, ask them". Or, "since you value my family more than those of my brothers, my family won't be coming to ..." birthday/Xmas, what have you. And you need to start doing it now. There needs to be consequences to her actions - not hypothetical ones in the future when she may or may not need care. She needs to see that you are hurt now and she won't unless you pull back, and you need to exert the only control you have got to keep some self respect - but with seeing her 2-3 times a week there is a lot of scope to do that. If the only reason you moved close to her was to help her, then maybe you need to think about whether to relocate. As in, if she went under a bus tomorrow, would you and the family move or stay put? If the answer is move, then I think you need to start thinking about doing it now anyway, as though she weren't there. She won't be there forever, in any event, and it might be better psychologically for you to start to distance yourself, and a move might help. Otherwise it will continue to eat you up for so long as you are close to her. The more you see her, the more it will eat you - the best way of getting peace with it is to do other things focussed on the people who are or are likely to stand by you - your DH and your DC and have less an less interaction with her. There is really no other way, painful though it is. You need to protect yourself. And if she objects you just need to keep telling her this is a consequence of what you have done with a simple response.

Stompythedinosaur · 02/01/2023 15:53

She's made her choice, but you don't have to continue to support her now you know she sees you as the lesser child.

Worrywart2022 · 02/01/2023 15:52

I would t be happy with this. I know my parents will split between my brother and I 50:50 - they would not have it any other way.

However, I suspect that my MIL will leave hers to his 2 sisters and he will get nothing - because this is how it is constantly with her. We get “you earn so much” (we don’t, we probably do in comparison to the sisters though). But one sister chooses to work very part time and has about 1.5 days a week to herself (her kids are in school) - so I don’t think it’s fair that DH would be excluded on that basis as one sister could easily earn more but chooses to have time to herself (MiL always takes them and those grandkids out and pays, pays for their school uniforms etc plus they get holidays paid for - we get nothing and in fact are expected to pay for MiL!)

I don’t think I could come to terms if this was my parents

CheerfulYank · 02/01/2023 15:51

I’m sorry. I have no practical advice but that’s awful.

Mañanarama · 02/01/2023 15:51

I’d move. Seriously, I’d move far away so that I wasn’t the poor sod left doing all the running in her old age. I couldn’t get past how unfair and hurtful this is and would make it very clear there’d be much less contact and help going forward, see how your brothers step up. Love her or not, this is just nasty.

Auntyacid · 02/01/2023 15:51

You seem to have a sore spot over this dear, try not to put your own situation into someone else’s. OP hasn’t done anything wrong at all.

Inkpotlover · 02/01/2023 15:50

LimeCheesecake · 02/01/2023 14:10

I would cut contact for a few weeks with your mum, apart from anything else, you need time to get your head straight. she might expect you to argue or try to convince her to change it, but she won’t be expecting silence and you not being around for her. If she asks to meet up just say you need to space to get used to her hurtful decisions.

she doesn’t value your time currently, and seems to view her company as being equal to a share in the house. So step right back until you feel happy again. If that’s weeks/months/never that’s ok.

one thing is you don’t have to have a relationship on her terms. You don’t have to see her several times a week. You don’t have to help her out. You don’t have to be there for her.

This ^. I would give yourself a time-out from her. It's not about the money, it's about the fact she is demonstrating with her will that you are undeserving compared to your brothers. She knows how unfair she's being but is doing it anyway. I could never forgive that.

And fuck caring for her in her old age. She can use her money to pay for carers.

ridiculoso82 · 02/01/2023 15:50

If you’re having to show your mother your husband payslips to “prove” to her that you don’t have the income she’s been informed you have…. Then the relationship is dead in the water OP!

No way I would leave my mother to struggle in the event of illness / infirm due to old age. I would sort the best possible care for her, using her money. I would also continue to support the wonderful and very regular relationship between my children and her.

She would be invited for christmases and birthday celebrations as normal.

And so on

but in terms of sharing a loving and close relationship with her… no

but would I leave her to fend for herself in this country in old age because I wasn’t receiving an equal share of her inheritance? Absolutely no

Nanny0gg · 02/01/2023 15:49

MissingYellowzigzags · 02/01/2023 13:28

@VahineNuiWentHome i think that’s the problem…I can’t spend any time with her without feeling resentful.

@SweetHolme ….yes. That is a good summary of the conversation that’s been had. In fact the original conversation also excluded my DC, because ‘they don’t need anything either’, so I guess we have had a small amount of progress. She hasn’t disclosed the amount to the DGC. She has been very clear that the house (the bulk of her assets) is split between DBs. I get nothing. I was there when she was having it valued and those were the words she used to the estate agent.

in answer to other questions- I’m not a single parent. One sibling is married with DC the other is single with no children.

both siblings have said they aren’t getting involved (I asked again this morning). neither will share, and as I’ve said previously, I wouldn’t want or ask them to. This is DMs wish, hurtful as it is.

I’ve asked what would happen if DH and I got divorced…..no reply.

yes. This all hinges on DHs income.

You absolutely don't Give to Receive, but to even only leave you one keepsake says a lot.

She'd be looking for someone else to to the arse-wiping if I were you.
She doesn't deserve it.

Is it only because of your DH or because your siblings are male?

danblack87 · 02/01/2023 15:48

@Winterpetal
Well said

VeggieSalsa · 02/01/2023 15:44

Show her your husbands pay slips to prove his earnings so at least she has the correct information.

Then make it clear she can pay for care. You can still spend time with her, but give the same amount of care as your brothers give her and stay strong.

There is no way someone who values my time that little would be getting my time spent on them.

StickyFloor · 02/01/2023 15:44

I’m sorry you are going through this.

I would actively withdraw from all the help you provide and pointedly steer her towards your siblings when she asks for help.

TBH I would also cut off the siblings who are letting this happen.

NotAnotherAlias · 02/01/2023 15:41

If I were in your shoes, I would make my feelings clear (as you have done) about why this feels unfair and what this says to me about how she values me compared to my siblings. If she couldn’t see my side and change her position, I would scale back or stop engaging with her, particularly if there is a pattern of my being treated differently/lesser than my siblings (and, based on what she’s done, I rather suspect there is). Of course her money is to do with as she wishes, but if she placed so little regard on my feelings then I can’t see any time we spend together is likely to be enjoyable or change my resentment at being treated like a second-class child.

You have tried to explain your perspective, thinking maybe she didn’t understand the situation or what this would feel like for you. It hasn’t changed her mind or won her favour. Continuing to try and to engage isn’t going to work, it will just make you feel worse about yourself and more resentful. So I would just step back from it. That’s just me, it’s not for everyone. I value respecting my own feelings and acting in a way that brings me happiness above any obligations and duty set by others who are willing to take of me but treat my efforts as expected and my needs and wishes as as afterthought.

I’m sorry this has happened. It’s dreadful, unfair and very hurtful. Just remember you can’t change her or what she does, you can only control your actions and feelings. Now you know where she stands make sure you do things that promote your happiness and wellbeing, even if those things don’t align with her expectations.

Candymay · 02/01/2023 15:41

How bloody awful of her.
I did the most for my mother by far. My siblings did not even visit her for 20 years. I kept in contact and helped as much as I could.
her will is that all assets be split equally between her children. I am in total agreement with that. (Not that I have a say anyway!) but I agree that it should be equal.
I don’t know what you can do op because it’s not like you haven’t explained your feelings on this issue. Your mother is doing the absolutely wrong thing. And can she think about how divisive that is between her children too? That her actions guarantee her own children will know they have been treated unfairly and will probably not get on because of that.

Pansypotter123 · 02/01/2023 15:41

Out of curiosity who are the executors of the will?

BatshitBanshee · 02/01/2023 15:39

I'm afraid the PP who said your mum has enjoyed putting you through it for the last two years over this is correct. I don't think you can get passed this OP because it actually isn't about the money - it's about the fact that she doesn't value you at all, your efforts for her, your time or the fact that you've moved your life to be closer to her. She also doesn't value your DC. But she values two hands-off sons, one of whom is a cokehead who's had a strong talking to (woe betide your mother when she realises coke addicts don't adhere to strong talking tos) and another who is, by your account, uninvolved.

I would pull back entirely and stop doing anything for her. Not because she's not leaving money to you - but because she's taking you for granted enough to completely and deliberately discount you. "You have me darling, what do you want a share of 1M for?" and the inverse of that is "you've done fuck all for me so here's half a mill to blow up your nose or out your arse now i'm dead and gone." Make it make sense.

MintChocCornetto · 02/01/2023 15:38

I would be devastated

It's not the money, it's the fact it's not equal and says quite clearly that you are less valued than your siblings.

I would not be doing any care now or in the future. Social visits only and only when convenient to me. DM can organise and pay for cleaners, housekeepers, care, etc. Hard as it is you have to withdraw or you will be eaten up with resentment.

windmill26 · 02/01/2023 15:37

Not the same but this is my story....My mother came into some money around 10 years ago.At the time I was told that she was going to buy my sibling a home and give me the equivalent sum as at the time I already had a property (with mortgage). The home was bought and it needed some work which she paid for too. I guess that she overspent so nothing promised to me came my way. The relationship got strained as I thought that all this was unfair and in her eyes I was not as deserving as my brother..When asked she could just waffle some crap (that didn't make any sense)to justify her decision. I tried to raise above it but in the end I couldn't ,as a result we haven't seen each other for years . Unfortunately the hurt caused and the unfairness will never go away. My sibling not only has been mortgage free for 10 years but didn't have to sacrifice anything to raise a deposit to get on the property ladder either. I told him that when the time comes that she needs help , care etc. I won't be available . That will be his bill to pay for the free property . Your mother has been very unfair here,the hurt caused by her decision will split the family.Resentment will never go away.

Cruisebabe1 · 02/01/2023 15:37

Srgcatherinecawood · 02/01/2023 09:57

@MissingYellowzigzags it really is shit, isn’t it. And the irony of me predicting when I was younger, ‘you know it’ll be me looking after you at the end, don’t you? You won’t see them for dust’ and then it came true. And she knows it.

it isn’t the money, it is the unfairness when you haven’t done anything wrong that is the kicker. And the fact someone is happy to have you run ragged with a 200mile round trip at the same time. Honestly, walk away. Best thing I’ve done for me and my family, I do not snap at anyone, I don’t spend hours on the phone trying to report the financial abuse to SS (who do not give a shiny shit even though the evidence is immense). In the end, who was I worried would judge me for walking away? My Mother’s next door neighbour? (A woman who is genuinely lovely that my mother slags off all of the time)? The ex-neighbour (a woman in her fifties who takes £200 in cash from her for her birthday every year 🤔, for context, I got £0 )? Anyone who knows me, knows I am kind, generous and fair. Their opinions matter. Let those on the ‘payroll’ judge away.

As an aside. My sibling left our mother with no one over Christmas (we were 200miles away at the IL’s). I feel no guilt. She has reaped what she has sown. I warned her about sibling twat partner (coercive control, narc tendencies) like your DB’s coke habit she has ignored it.

You matter to the people who truly know you. My actual family are my friends who call me to have a chat, know how I think, ask how I am. I wouldn’t choose to be friends with my sibling which probably speaks volumes. Know your self-worth. Do some reading and reach the conclusion that suits you. It is easy on an anonymous forum to just say walk away. It took me three years to do it and in that time it caused me massive issues including putting my health at risk. Consider why you feel obligated and examine that.

Having a dysfunctional relationship like this with a mother is a social taboo. We’re supposed to value a mother, ‘she’s the only one you’ll have, blah blah’ but sometimes you aren’t blessed with the mother you deserve.

This is so so true……..brilliant post