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Care homes abroad?

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trippingdaily · 23/12/2022 13:29

My not so DF was born abroad but emigrated to the UK and has been a UK citizen for 50 years.

He has to go into a care home as he's not able to cope at home (he didn't maintain the house, so it's tricky to run) and he can't afford carers as he didn't save any money at all despite a good job. He only asserts are the former family home.

His plan was to not leave his many children a penny, so when my DM died he ran through her savings/assets (she was a saver, but they had separate bank accounts because my F was financially abusive, as well as other abuse).

I get on ok with him, and I'll help him move to the care home but no plans at all to visit him (I'm not local to him so it would involve me having to stay over night in a hotel and I've no connections to his area as I moved away when I was young).

The care home is £6.5k pm and he is in good health, but frail and beginnings of dementia.

I was thinking of sending him to a care home in his former country as the host would be more like £1k pm. I haven't looked into it yet, it's just a thought, but wondered what the consensus on here was to this idea?

He's been a shit/horrible Dad to me my whole life, but I have supported him the last few years out of duty. If my siblings and I were to inherit anything from the family home, it would make a massive difference to us as we have young families and financially are not very well off.
I'd happily never see my Dad again, but if he did go abroad I would visit him because I'd feel I had that responsibility as I put him there. If he stayed in a UK care home I wouldn't feel that responsibility.

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NewspaperTaxis · 23/12/2022 21:02

You don't say which country you have in mind for abroad.

Yep, care homes in the UK can be £1.5 k a week, week in week out. Should point out the usual - that if you don't have Lasting Power of Attorney in Health and Welfare - and also Finance quite likely - you may not be allowed to do this if you leave it a while, however if he has mental capacity and can make this decision himself then it may be okay. Legally, I don't know if LPA works when someone is abroad, whether it carries legal weight anyhow.

If you put him in a UK care home frankly the chances of being allowed to move him to one abroad - well, it's unlikely they will let you. It depends. If he is self-funding they can actually get in touch with Social Services and they will join forces to stop you, saying it is against his 'Best Interests' - this means, they will do what they want to do and say it is in his Best Interests, it is like waving a badge. Many Social Services in my experience - Surrey, I mean - are wholly corrupt and will side with the care home in all things. As your Dad's house is subsidising Council-funded residents, they may be reluctant to play ball. And if you don't have LPA, you are simply not the decision maker for his care, they are. Not saying this will happen - but even if you do have LPA, the Council - often akin to the Mafia - can do what they please and just act as if you don't.

I'm not saying this worst-case scenario is a given though I'd also say in this case, to be fair, it may even be in his 'best interests' to eat up his savings in a nice UK care home even if he doesn't deserve it, it can all get a bit Crime and Punishment at this point. UK care homes are only loosely regulated under the Conservative Govt - it's into deregulation as a whole, to allow businesses to fleece the unsuspecting public and make a fortune. Is it better elsewhere? I don't know.

PermanentTemporary · 23/12/2022 20:29

I think it sounds a really sensible decision.

Just the phrase '£6.5k a month' (I hope that's a typo) would have me considering other options. That's a lifetime's savings every six months, for someone who hasn't saved a penny even though they could have done.

For him, his mother tongue and childhood culture is almost certainly going to be easier all round. Great idea.

Wishiwasatailor · 23/12/2022 14:01

My very loved and treasured grandmother is originally from a European country and has been here a similar amount of time. Diagnosed with dementia about 12 years ago and I have lived and taken care of her for the last 8. We are making the difficult decision to move her to her home country where she wants to be surrounded by people that speak her mother tongue, whilst she is fluent in English (was an English teacher) as the years have gone on she reverts back more to her native language especially if she is distressed. We live very rurally so she doesn’t have much interaction apart from myself and partner outside her day centre 4 days a week. Whilst the cost wasnt the main factor it is significantly cheaper than here and there are less staffing concerns and the home we are thinking of is in her village. It’s a very difficult decision for us but ultimately I believe it is the best thing for her and my mum and I will visit every month.

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