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Funeral or body disposal ideas please

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Filthycop · 05/10/2021 23:22

hello

help please

My dad is dying - it's cool, it happens he's 73 and at peace with it, breaking my heart but that is not what I need advice on.

The issue we have is that there is going to be no funeral - at my Dad and Mum's request (my brother and I would have preferred some kind of memorial but our Mum comes first and that is that)..... Our actual issue is that they want the cheapest, but greenest body disposal that they can get.

When my Grandfather died and wanted no fuss, they still had to pay for funeral cars and a cremation no one went to. My Dad doesn't want that.

In an ideal world he'd have left his body to medical science but they won't have him because he is to tall.

Can anyone help? what can we do? he'd rather not cremation because that isn't very green and is bad for the environment. My Mum found a woodland burial thing that was horrendously expensive.

Has anyone come across a cheap green body disposal thing?

Sounds harsh and un caring - but it really isn't we're trying to honour his wishes

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JuneOsborne · 06/10/2021 16:14

Ah, well on that case, you need something like donating to science but not that.

Mary roaches book Stiff is all about these 'farms' where bodies are subject to certain conditions to enable forensic scientists to date remains. Like what @MereDintofPandiculation has suggested.

Not sure of the green credentials if they burn the body, and I assume you don't get to choose.

MrsFin · 06/10/2021 15:55

Do you actually need a coffin? My relative, the one buried on his own farm, was wrapped in a blanket.

Carandi · 06/10/2021 15:49

I work in a funeral directors. You'd be very lucky to get anything cheaper than £2K for a woodland burial. You're paying for a plot of land and then the venue will charge an interment fee too. You also need a coffin and a lot of woodland venues demand 'eco' natural willow coffins which are more expensive than the wood veneer cheapies. You also have to get the body to the burial so may need a funeral director to do all the form filling/caring for the body until the date of burial. They will charge fees for their services.

Woodland burials are cheaper than graveyard burials because there's no masonry, but still a lot of other costs incurred.

BabbleBee · 06/10/2021 15:23

I was going to suggest cadaver donation to a med school, but you’d need specific consent forms completing prior to death.

www.rcseng.ac.uk/about-the-rcs/support-our-work/donate/donate-your-body-to-medical-science/

If you have his written consent, the details of the medical schools who use cadavers are here, they all have different criteria.

www.hta.gov.uk/medical-schools

Flowers
PanicBuyingSprouts · 06/10/2021 15:16

There is a house very close to where I grew up where the wife was buried in the garden. Forty years on it doesn't seem to have affected the value.

TheCanyon · 06/10/2021 15:10

I know this might be a bit too extreme, but how about just not claiming his body?

MereDintofPandiculation · 06/10/2021 14:54

Any possibility of leaving to forensic science? Search on "body farm" or "Human Taphonomy Facility" One was reported to be opening in the UK in 2018:

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01436-8

There may be one at Wrexham
www.chemistryworld.com/culture/down-on-the-body-farm/3009202.article

Filthycop · 06/10/2021 13:07

Thank all for the suggestions - we will go through everything with my Dad

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Filthycop · 06/10/2021 13:06

@JuneOsborne

£2k seems reasonable to me. What's your budget?
ideally - nothing - literally my parents want no kind of funeral or anything but we have to dispose of the body so she wants to do the greenest thing she can but with minimal expense and no one will be attending, no flowers, no memorial etc - they very much see the dead body as a vessel not a person.

Leaving to medical science would have been his ideal but they will reject his body based on his height and his very low BMI.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 06/10/2021 11:15

@MrsFin

I also have a relative who's husband was buried on his own farm earlier this year I wonder if it's the same personHmm There was no funeral either - deceased wishes.

I could imagine this could turn into a bit of a sideline for farmers who have their own diggers......

Don't go there - it would be "outing" for both of us Grin
TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 06/10/2021 10:02

@mrsfin
Yes sorry, I must pay more attention.

(they told me that at school but I obviously didn't listen)

Doomscrolling · 06/10/2021 10:01

We buried mum at a green site in a biodegradable coffin. Only flowers we those we’d picked from the garden. Shopping around, we found local independent funeral director was much cheaper that the Co-Op or that other big chain.

Councils set their rates for cemeteries. DM’s council charged £1300 for a single or £1600 for a grave that DF could be buried in when he dies.

ToffeeNotCoffee · 06/10/2021 09:55

Beautiful IMO

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ToffeeNotCoffee · 06/10/2021 09:50

Would a cardboard coffin be appropriate for a no fuss funeral ?

www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=bl_dp_s_web_0?search-type=ss&index=kitchen-uk&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&ie=UTF8&field-keywords=The+Coffin+Company

ToffeeNotCoffee · 06/10/2021 09:47

I suspect this may be for a prank but anyway:

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AnOldCynic · 06/10/2021 09:37

greenergoodbyes.co.uk

Have a look here maybe.

AnOldCynic · 06/10/2021 09:37

@Allmyarseandpeggymartin

Isn’t a burial bad for the environment too?
Why would it be?
user008767 · 06/10/2021 09:31

You can do "direct burial" - no service, no additional funeral cars, just buy a plot from the local council. That's more or less what we did for Mum (although we did have the willow coffin she wanted). The undertaker collected and stored her body, obtained the coffin and put her in it, arranged things with the cemetery and gravedigger, brought her to the cemetery in an MPV and lowered her into the grave and supervised the filling in. We were there but there was no service, no donations, no viewings.

I was quite happy to pay the undertaker to wrangle my Mum's remains but you can, I understand, DIY - buy a coffin from Amazon (yes really!), hire a van, sort the paperwork yourself.

However - mainly for squeamish reasons but also, she was quite heavy - I didn't fancy that. Having had to help lower my Dad into his own grave during the early pandemic - we were very lucky not to drop him imo! - I have no regrets about bunging the undertakers what is quite a lot of cash for their expertise, but equally I think it's completely do-able to DIY if you do feel up to it.

Including the burial plot and coffin and sundry fees, we paid the undertaker just over three thousand. It's the old adage, "hitting a pipe - £1... knowing where to hit it, how hard, and in which direction...£150" thing, I think.

If you wanted to diy, well, shop around for local cemeteries - usually if the deceased was resident locally the fees are cheaper - but I just noticed that the "locals" fee for my local cemetery is over £800 and it was more like £300 where Mum lived. Or as PP said, you could buy a bit of land yourself I guess. Even use the garden if you're not planning to move ever....

As you are planning in advance you can certainly get a good number of quotes from funeral directors for basic burials, and seek advice from e.g. www.goodfuneralguide.co.uk/do-it-all-yourself/

Good luck. And I hope your Dad enjoys his days as best he can, knowing that you're doing your best to honour his wishes. It's very considerate of him to make them clear.

JuneOsborne · 06/10/2021 09:28

£2k seems reasonable to me. What's your budget?

MrsFin · 06/10/2021 09:26

She's already said medical science doesn't want him because he's too tall.

What about having him created with someone else, to that environmental damage is halved per person? Or does it not work like that?
Perhaps they do that anyway - I don't know.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 06/10/2021 09:17

Donate the body to medical science. It's what I am going to do.

www.cuh.nhs.uk/our-research/get-involved/donate-body-to-medical-science/

Allmyarseandpeggymartin · 06/10/2021 09:16

Isn’t a burial bad for the environment too?

MrsFin · 06/10/2021 09:14

I also have a relative who's husband was buried on his own farm earlier this year I wonder if it's the same personHmm
There was no funeral either - deceased wishes.

I could imagine this could turn into a bit of a sideline for farmers who have their own diggers......

Filthycop · 06/10/2021 09:02

[quote MereDintofPandiculation]I believe you are allowed to bury on land you own. Friend’s father was buried earlier this year on his farm, zero cost, he already had his own digger. I imagine it will impact on sale values and that there will be rules about telling the next owner.

Actually it appears you can bury anywhere with the landowner’s permission. So do you have a farmer or other landowner friend?

And you can bury at sea, but by the time you have hired a boat and got the necessary permissions it may well be pushing the £2000.

greenecofriend.co.uk/eco-friendly-funerals/[/quote]
thank you - I'll and that to my Mum... not sure that their back garden would be the place but sea sounds fun - I think my Dad would like that

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Cheesepuff1 · 06/10/2021 08:52

£1170 here.

www.northumbrianwoodlandburials.com

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