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I have had enough !

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loulou4343 · 05/09/2021 01:09

Super quick snapshot and PLEASE ANY ADVICE !
My mother is 84. She had a new knee about 4 yrs ago and her gall bladder removed, has cataracts but apart from that she is sort of ok.
However she is driving everyone to distraction with her “ ailments “ they all check out to be nothing simply “old age “
Today I got up at the crack of dawn to drive the 80mins drive to take her to her hospital appointment as she was going for an ultrasound as she has had a bout of cystitis and the doctor wanted to see nothing was amiss. My brother who lives 5 mins from both my mum and the hospital could of taken her but she refused and only wanted me. The scan showed nothing. She must of literally had every scan the nhs does and nothing ever comes back. She takes no medication except beta blockers and paracetamol. She lives alone. My dad died 13 yrs ago and he did everything for her. She has over the years rejected any thing that would make her mobile so she can’t drive/ ride a bike/ never swam a length of a pool ZILCH. Since COVID hit she has sat in her chair and watched television 24/7. Her very good friend died just before COVID of a heart attack and I think she actually missed his company far more than when my dad died. She’s stopped cooking and either eats the batch meals I cook and freeze for her or ready meals from Tesco. She always cooked from scratch. In a word she has given up.
I visit once a week as I work 3 days and the trips totally and utterly drain the life blood from me as all she talks about is illness. Last time I went last week I literally hyperventilated in the car on my way home it was so stressful. Like the OP in an earlier tread she just wants “ looking after “ so meals put in front of her which really irks. I bought her all new kitchen appliances earlier this year but she doesn’t “ trust “ them so just microwaves everything. I can’t do this much more as the trips are getting worse but she refused to move 5 yrs ago to be nearer to me so I could manage helping her so it falls to me to drive up weekly. My brother literally drops off a bit of food shopping and then leaves where I stay and chat. I know she wants more company but she won’t entertain going out to a day centre. She won’t have WiFi so I can’t FaceTime her or do any internet banking for her she literally just sits in the chair and everyone has to rally around her. I love her as she’s my mum but that’s it. Both my mum and dad were incredibly selfish as parents and I have a huge amount of resentment towards her as I don’t want to be her skivvy any longer. The doctor has given her antidepressants but she won’t take them. She’s sad Lonely and depressed but won’t do anything to change that. Won’t even go for a walk up and down the road. After finding no issues today at the scan I am so bloody pissed off that it’s yet another “ situation “ she has engineered so people have to rally round.
Stick a fork in me I’m done.

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loulou4343 · 11/09/2021 20:30

Hello and love to anonymum40 💕
I wish WISH she would get broadband so we could do something like getting her an iPad but she absolutely will not consider it.
She refuses any direct debits or standing orders except her council tax ( I think she trusts them ! ) but anything else is a cheque.
She even used to put tin foil around her cheque book when she went out ( for hackers apparently ! ) she’s utterly and totally barking mad !
I think I am just going to go with the flow. I should of been away for a few days this weekend but someone in our group tested positive so I haven’t gone. I have no intension of telling her, I shall just spend these next few days having a break from her incessant madness. I suggested getting her a slow cooker then she could just put stuff in all chopped up and leave it all day just for a change but - guess what - NO !
Didn’t want the electric on all day whilst she was upstairs.
That’s what I am dealing with. You can take a horse to water.

She will be miserable and unhappy no matter what. I am just waiting for the next “ crisis “
It won’t be long. Happy Saturday all.
I hope we win later at the tennis ! X

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Gazelda · 11/09/2021 13:38

OP, you have my full sympathy. It's absolutely exhausting, frustrating, unreasonable and unfair.

I hope your therapist can help you to work out some practical boundaries and that between you, your DB and the GP, you can get your DM to accept some help, companionship, support.

I can't offer any solutions, I'm afraid, but I had one thought - just before covid (thankfully), we asked a lovely neighbour of MiL's if we could try to connect to her WiFi and use our own iPad to FaceTime with overseas relatives. It worked, and MIL loved it enough that we got her an iPad for her birthday which was a godsend during lockdown. She is the least person in the world, and wouldn't have a clue how to use it to google (imagined) symptoms etc, she just uses it to FaceTime. Any chance you could try that? You'd need a very kind and close neighbour, and an excuse such as seeing a grandchild she hasn't seen for a while or similar. But it may be worth a try?

Paddingtonsmarmlade · 11/09/2021 13:21

May I suggest Wiltshire farm foods. Then you don't have to go the batch cooking and you can order and get them delivered when you can't/don't want to go. My fil doesn't ever go out and complains that we don't give him enough attention, this was when we were there 4\5 times a week at least. It is never enough.

Anonymum40 · 11/09/2021 13:08

Hello loulou4343, I'm the poster with the other impossible mum on the post about wanting 'looking after'. It sounds like we are in the same boat and I can appreciate how draining it really is.

My mum is in a care home round the corner for a weeks respite care. She wants me to visit her but I literally can't... I need a break. I feel so low. I can understand the hyperventilating in the car, I know that feeling. you feel so ALONE with it. My mum has always had a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, though I've only just found out that's what it's called. Selfish Cow Disorder basically. You might want to read about that.
Glad to hear your therapist helps, I'm looking into getting myself one too.

loulou4343 · 10/09/2021 20:18

Had a long chat with my brother today. We are both at the end of our tethers with her. She announced today that she has no intension of ever going out AGAIN !
It’s beyond draining but I feel a lot better today as I contacted a therapist and I am seeing her next week. Need to work through this as it will fall to me no doubt as she does default to me most definitely.
Thanks all xx

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Topseyt · 09/09/2021 11:14

You and your brother need to pull together much more on this. Is there any real reason why he could not take her to some of these appointments, or is it just that she doesn’t want to ask him and defaults to you, as her daughter.

You need to put your foot down a bit here, with your brother hopefully singing from the same hymn sheet. You will do some, but not all.

You and your brother also do have your own lives too. Carers may need to be accepted for at least a good portion of the time to give you both peace of mind when you aren’t there, and to take some of the strain off.

You might both need to have a frank and open discussion with your mother about what is and isn’t manageable and why, and what must be done to mitigate it (i.e. carers will be needed, the cleaner must come every week instead of fortnightly). Honestly, I am so glad my own mother has accepted this sort of help as neither my sister or I live nearby. We do what we can, carers come in three times a day, she has a cleaner and a gardener. A problem would be picked up same day and help sought. They also have my mobile number and also my sister’s.

If your mother digs her heels in and argues then you will have to have to stick to your guns. The other way lies insanity, I’m afraid.

Roselilly36 · 08/09/2021 18:06

Handhold OP, you are in a tough situation. Good luck.

loulou4343 · 08/09/2021 18:02

Thank you again all x

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Mischance · 08/09/2021 09:21

I am glad you have been able to be firm with her. You have to set some boundaries to stay sane. Time to be firm with your brother!

ShingleBeach · 08/09/2021 08:12

Been there…

Have you had a serious talk with your brother?

Next time there is an appointment have him take her. Even if she thinks you are going. Say you are simply unavailable.

Tell your brother that this is affecting your own life and you are struggling timewise , mentally and emotionally, and that when he pops in with shopping he needs to stop and chat with her.

Reticence to accept care is common. My Mum was a good, kind, v self sufficient unselfish Mum, but as her age and frailty grew remained adamant that they did not want carers, apparently oblivious to the huge amount of support we were giving.

In the end we just had to gang up and say ‘this is what is happening’.

The carers visits were originally moaned about (didn’t hang tea towels up properly, etc etc etc). But quite quickly became accepted and looked forward to.

Making Change is hard but well worth the effort. Be clear and resolute with your brother, develop a team approach.

Good luck!

grey12 · 08/09/2021 07:53

She's making excuses, it's normal. But for something like that you need to be firm and tell her to contact your brother if she needs assistance. You said he lives closer and could go there for 15min, pay the bill, say hi and make sure everything is ok

loulou4343 · 07/09/2021 22:45

Thank you - I know you are not trying to load me with guilt.
The only thing we ask of her ( me, my brother and her GP ) is that she takes an antidepressant but she won’t.
The ONLY thing, everyone else will do the rest but nope.
I have through about it literally all day and I have a banging headache. I am not prepared to do this any longer with her. I am just not.
She was going on about her water bill arriving yesterday and could I go round and write the cheque out and post it. I said no. She can call them up and pay it over the phone ( she said she couldn’t read the long card number ) Tough. I’m out.

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Mischance · 07/09/2021 18:05

I am not trying to load you with guilt - just saying that old people have a lot to deal with at a time when their abilities are waning. And that, in the main, it will come to us all.

You need to be clear what you CAN do and stick to that. And your brother needs to step up; even if she is saying she wants you.

Not all old people can be David Attenborough or Sheila Hancock!

Mischance · 07/09/2021 18:01

You need to hold a conversation with your brother.
You need to limit your visits.
You need to organise transport other than you for medical visits.

But the other side of this coin is that it is very very hard to be old, frightened and alone - it really is. Watching one's own health fail in small relentless steps is bloody scary; and apparently "unreasonable" refusals to do things can often be based on fear and loss of confidence.

We all age in our own different ways and no doubt you are thinking that you will never do any of these things: but I bet you do!

I have spent a lot of time working with elderly people. Getting old is bloody tough.

loulou4343 · 07/09/2021 17:50

Thank you 💕 I am so bloody fed up with it all.
Sending hugs to you too x

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bringincrazyback · 07/09/2021 14:50

@loulou4343

And sorry yes she can pay for any care she needs. She is very comfortable - it annoys me that she burdens the NHS all the time when she could easily go private.
OP, I have massive sympathy/empathy - my mum is just like this too as far as the apathy and needing/wanting everything done for her (like yours, my dad did everything for her and it really didn't help in the long run). And she lives with me so respite is distinctly thin on the ground.

I do feel the need to point out that your mum's paid into the system all her life so is morally completely entitled to use the NHS, but I totally get how you're feeling and sympathise.

loulou4343 · 05/09/2021 18:44

I am definitely going to stop going weekly, it’s just not doable she’s so far away. If she would have broadband I could get her a simple tablet and we could FaceTime then at least I could “ see “ how she was but that’s out of the question as she won’t have any technology ( tbh she would never be able to understand it )
Her doctors had a meeting about her in the week and phoned me. They totally have the measure of her. She is utterly exhausting.
Thanks for everyone who took the time to offer advice x

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GreenClock · 05/09/2021 17:09

This sounds dismal OP. Maybe make the visit every ten days instead of weekly. And stop taking her to appointments when your nearby brother is able and willing. Be more robust in general.

grey12 · 05/09/2021 14:23

OP it seems you need to be a little firmer.

You said she refused to move in closer to you and now demands your time. It seems like you don't have that time to spare

Book a time every week where you go to see her (weekend?) to have lunch with her or something. And besides that, you can talk a bit on the phone, when you're cooking or something. You can help her and keep her some company but you can't stop your life

MereDintofPandiculation · 05/09/2021 13:34

Stand firm and let her use hospital transport. That might cure her of her need for a proper investigation. Being picked up hours early, driven all round the houses, then hanging around waiting for the trip home.

loulou4343 · 05/09/2021 12:32

And sorry yes she can pay for any care she needs. She is very comfortable - it annoys me that she burdens the NHS all the time when she could easily go private.

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loulou4343 · 05/09/2021 12:31

Thanks you ALL for your super kind messages 💕
I have tried everything. She won’t leave the house not even for 10 mins. The only time she leaves it is to put out the wheelie bin which usually has nothing in it. She has a cleaner once a fortnight and she will chat with her but apart from that that is literally it. She’s asked me to stop phoning her as she would rather speak to me when I see her so again lots of guilt. I just wish she would TRY to do something instead of completely dismissing it. She was complaining her arm was weak so I gave her a tin of beans and said to do some little exercises lifting it up 5 times and going from there. She did it twice and started to cry. She is clinically depressed and that’s just so awful to see as she could have something to help but no. Now she has the all clear from yesterday she will invent a new “ problem “ that will require medical attention and scans. I’m not playing ball I am afraid, I have had 25+ yrs of her invented medical issues and they don’t exist. Sorry to sound harsh but that’s how I feel now. She is my mum but we are like chalk and cheese x

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Willdoitlater · 05/09/2021 09:21

Just to add, she can pay a care agency to provide companionship, chat and take her out, and take her to appointments. So it doesn't have to be all on you. Of course she won't want this at first, but that's her choice. You aren't obliged to do more than you want, just because she wants you rather than anyone else.

MakeMeCleanTheHouse · 05/09/2021 09:18

I would visit and say I AM going to walk up the road....whatever ...and see if she comes. Garden centres, national trust, river walks all at slow pace and we stop for a coffee or ice cream but they gave me some comfort and were good for her. She never ever wanted to do them but always enjoyed them.

If you take 10 mins out for a stroll or pick up some shopping and then go back she has had had time to think about where you might be and consider joining you

Willdoitlater · 05/09/2021 09:15

@UrbanRambler is absolutely right.

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