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Told mum I'll go no contact if she cancels POA

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Morango · 30/08/2021 10:56

I have been wrangling with my mother for years over getting a POA done. I have assured her it is for the future and needed to be done before a crisis occurred.
She refused for years to admit she had memory issues and has been quite horrible over the years.
Finally she agreed it was in her best interests and I made arrangements which included family members and I taking time off work and driving many hundreds of miles to do it.
We made sure she understood what she was signing and it took place in the home of a dear family friend whom she trusts and who acted as the certificate provider.
Now the OPG has written to all of us she has said I have done this behind her back and she is going to cancel it and I am only after her money.
When I reminded her of the circumstances of the signing she did start to recall and then admitted that I wasn't after her money.
I told her she was within her right to cancel it but that if she did I will have nothing further to do with her.
She is quite a horrible selfish person and part of me hopes she'll call my bluff.
Not sure why I'm posting about this but reaching out I suppose.

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Mum5net · 23/09/2021 13:36

Sorry, OP, another thing has come into my head.
Your DM has actually done you a huge favour by revoking the paperwork. She has essentially handed herself over to the social work department when things take a major dip. You are well within your rights to leave everything to social work agencies from now on in. The social work team for my parents' area was absolutely first rate and I can't speak highly enough of them. As we didn't have POA and my DM was sectioned, they had to lead everything but they were very communicative and helpful and always discussed matters with family. If your DM has her own property and enough of a pension not to struggle, then you not having POA is inconvenient but not something to stress over too much. Maybe on this board we keep banging on about POA but in reality, not having it in some situations can still be OK. Flowers

freshcarnation · 23/09/2021 13:18

Yes. Exactly what @Mum5net said. You are under no obligation to loo after your mum's life. She made her choices when she was younger and you can make choices for yourself too

Mum5net · 23/09/2021 12:48

I do feel like people are shocked that I am angry with her but I am - my life is hard enough and as her daughter people are looking to me to sort all this out and I don't feel I can - I feel like this is going to destroy me.

OP - this is the bit you need to tackle in your head.
Who are the actual people looking to you to sort this out? If they are her friends they will have a fair idea she is self absorbed and selfish already. They have probably heard her moan about the form and how she has had to revoke the paperwork. If they were true friends they would have begged her to keep the paperwork in place and know that you cannot sort it out.
If they are her neighbours then fortunately you are not in the same town. Any neighbour who tracks you down and tells you to sort her out can be given the telephone number of the elderly care team in the social work dept for her area.
if they are medical and health professionals they will be experienced enough to know that you are not obliged to fix her mayhem.
You genuinely are allowed to take a mighty step back and let her reap what she sows. In the meantime, fingers crossed she has direct debits and standing orders set up for her council tax, utilities etc as they will all keep paying out even if she ends up in hospital.

saraclara · 23/09/2021 09:55

it felt like such a gift for her to have people who would do this for her and go to such lengths, only to now have it thrown back in our faces.

This is pretty much what you need to say to her. And give her that list of things that you all did to make the future easier for her.

I'm so sorry she's done this, OP.

OhamIreally · 23/09/2021 09:52

@knittingaddict somewhat similar situation here - we are also geographically diverse and this was one of the reasons the POA would haven been so helpful to be able to provide assistance from here in London without racing up and down the M1.

My cousins took time out from work, as did I, and travelled hundreds of miles (they are right down in the South West) during lockdown to set this all up. It was really difficult to coordinate. Then the forms are complex and I checked and re-checked before submitting, and I paid the fees myself and sent all registered post. It did feel like a massive undertaking. None of the effort was my mum's though - it felt like such a gift for her to have people who would do this for her and go to such lengths, only to now have it thrown back in our faces.

knittingaddict · 23/09/2021 09:34

@OhamIreally

Update today is that she's gone ahead and objected. I am devastated after all that effort and it's all been undone.

She has no idea how much harder things are going to be now. This was the one thing that would have helped and she's destroyed it.

No doubt if I talk to her about it she'll say "let's set it up again then" but I just can't keep going round this merry-go-round.

That's bad news op and not surprised that you are upset.

We've fairly recently done poa forms for my parents and they are awaiting approval. It took ages to do as most form filling was done during lockdown with a geographically spread out family. We also waited ages for the doctor to fill in the forms as a certificate provider. I then broke my right wrist and couldn't sign my part for over 2 months. The whole thing took over 6 months to complete. I hear that the office that rubber stamp the poa are very picky (for obvious reasons) about things like handwriting and signatures. It's a stressful process and to have it agreed and your mum to do this must be devasting.

My brother lives locally to my parents and does most of the grunt work. He would be incandescent if they pulled a stunt like that. I think he would have to step back for a while just to come to terms with it.

Djifunrsn · 23/09/2021 08:54

I agree it isn’t the illness if she’s been horrible to you on a sustained basis and mistrusted you.

OhamIreally · 23/09/2021 08:45

I'm in a different camp to those that say, don't be cross with them, it is the illness, they don't understand.
Actually before the illness took hold, they did understand they just chose not to make it easy.

@Mum5net I appreciate you saying that. A lot of people do say it, here on this thread and in real life - it's like being gaslighted as this is exactly who she is - not a stranger, not the illness talking, she wants what she wants and everyone else be damned.

I do feel like people are shocked that I am angry with her but I am - my life is hard enough and as her daughter people are looking to me to sort all this out and I don't feel I can - I feel like this is going to destroy me.

She's had an amazing retirement - travelled the world, gone to concerts and lectures and lived her life to the full and I'm happy for her that she's had that opportunity, but she is a selfish and self absorbed person who doesn't consider others' feelings at all.

Mum5net · 22/09/2021 20:01

OP, it's so frustrating. It does make you question everything and why you bother.
We are stuck with dealing with the OPG and sending annual accounts and reports to them about my DM along with 'fees' and 'bonds of caution'. I get so angry about these extra layers of bureaucracy that my parents have added so unecessarily.
I'm in a different camp to those that say, don't be cross with them, it is the illness, they don't understand.
Actually before the illness took hold, they did understand they just chose not to make it easy.

BetterCare · 22/09/2021 19:28

@OhamIreally It is so difficult. No one tells you about this stage of adulting. It is relentless. I am sorry I don't have any more advice. We were just lucky to catch my Mum and Dad at the right time because I have really seen friends go through it.

Is there a friend that could maybe talk to her? Does she have a social worker yet or a community matron that could maybe help to explain? Because health and wellbeing POA is as important.

Thinking of you because it is tough.

freshcarnation · 22/09/2021 15:39

I'd imagine you are at the end of your tether with this news.

OhamIreally · 22/09/2021 15:30

@BetterCare that's exactly what I thought and why I wanted it set up before she declined too much.

I frankly don't want to have to deal with the nightmares- I've got enough on my plate as it is, working full time, mortgage and bills and my child to raise alone.

OhamIreally · 22/09/2021 15:27

Yes sorry I name changed to my normal username.

cstaff · 22/09/2021 14:40

Sorry - I was referring to a power of attorney.

BetterCare · 22/09/2021 14:39

I know it is difficult with someone that has Alzheimers. My Mum was a bit paranoid but my brother and I managed to get them sorted before my parents decline in health.

Does Mum understand that just because there is a POA you can't just go and take the money? You have to register this POA everywhere. I had to send it to the council just to talk to them about my Dad's rented garage.

So even though it may be registered with the OPG it could stay at your Mum's house until you have to use it.

It is such a difficult chapter for the family but the pain that it causes if you don't have them in place is an absolute nightmare.

Good luck, this is not an easy time for anyone.

cstaff · 22/09/2021 14:30

That is really sad and difficult to deal with OP. I know it is hard but you have to remember that this is not your real mum anymore. This is the person that Alzheimer’s has turned her into.

We did the same with my dad when he was in the very early stages and he had the wherewithall to ask us why it was just him getting one and not mam. As a result they both got one in the end which is no harm.

I know all cases and families are different but I would just say "go easy" on her. Hopefully her friends will step up on your behalf.

WithMyEncyclopedia · 22/09/2021 14:04

@OhamIreally

Update today is that she's gone ahead and objected. I am devastated after all that effort and it's all been undone.

She has no idea how much harder things are going to be now. This was the one thing that would have helped and she's destroyed it.

No doubt if I talk to her about it she'll say "let's set it up again then" but I just can't keep going round this merry-go-round.

(You've name changed, OP!)

How frustrating for you. Have you spoken to the friend that was promising to be 'advisor'?

Thing is, ultimatums are all very well but if they can't remember much they don't really have much power Sad

balzamico · 22/09/2021 13:59

@OhamIreally can you object to her changing it on the basis that she won't remember and will change it again?
Ie that her memory issues are now affecting her judgement.
So frustrating, I really feel for you

timeisnotaline · 22/09/2021 13:53

I think you need to protect yourself and step back a bit here, like you said you would.

OhamIreally · 22/09/2021 13:29

Update today is that she's gone ahead and objected. I am devastated after all that effort and it's all been undone.

She has no idea how much harder things are going to be now. This was the one thing that would have helped and she's destroyed it.

No doubt if I talk to her about it she'll say "let's set it up again then" but I just can't keep going round this merry-go-round.

Alternista · 08/09/2021 18:41

Increased emotional lability (heightened feelings) is an oft recognised feature of dementia. My Dad had it.

FWIW I think you have done exactly the right thing, OP. You are allowed to (and should) protect yourself with boundaries. I’m glad she has this trusted friend; I hope they can help her file the letter away and then she’ll probably forget all about it.

It’s tough, I’m sorry. Flowers

doodleZ1 · 08/09/2021 17:53

My mother has started saying "I love you" at the end of every phone call. Very odd as she's never said that to me as a teenager or as an adult. Maybe she thinks it needs to be said. Heaven knows but it's very odd now

Morango · 08/09/2021 12:31

That's interesting mine is also telling me that she loves me sooo much.
I told her that her abusive phone calls don't feel like love.

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NovemberWitch · 08/09/2021 09:10

I have drawn a firm boundary with her now though and am going to see her this weekend. Faced with the boundaries I am setting (refuse to be spoken to abusively; refusal to become her carer by the back door whilst she denies there's a problem) she appears to be backing down.

I think this is a very important point, to have boundaries to avoid being manipulated into unsustainable and intolerable situations.
You have a right to a life too.
Mine only started hugging me and telling me she loved me when she needed me after her husband died. 60 years too late to be believable.

Morango · 08/09/2021 09:01

@longhours yes it is the notification from the OPG she is proposing to respond to.

She was furious that I had "gone behind her back" and done it without her consent.

I reminded her of the circumstances of it being signed and it did appear to come back to her.

We signed it at the home of her most trusted friend who also served as certificate provider. She was borderline capacity then but has possibly crossed the line now.

As it turns out she called this trusted friend a few days ago and he and his wife visited her. She told him she was going to respond to the OPG and he asked to see the letter. He has now asked her to consult with him before she makes any response and she will because she sees him as her "advisor".

He called me to tell me this. She doesn't know we are in touch but he has her best interests at heart and is very much in favour of the POA staying in place.

She won't have wasted her own money though as I paid for it out of my savings.

I have drawn a firm boundary with her now though and am going to see her this weekend. Faced with the boundaries I am setting (refuse to be spoken to abusively; refusal to become her carer by the back door whilst she denies there's a problem) she appears to be backing down.

This weekend I'm going to see if I can set up an online shopping account with her card so that she can call and give me a list and I'm going to tell her that if she keeps shouting at social services they will have her in a home sharpish.

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