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Massive change in my DM :(

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Longdistance · 26/02/2021 20:48

I wonder if someone has had a similar experience with their elderly parent? DM is going to be 80 next month and she has changed beyond anything I recognise. I'll try to condense it as much as I can.
My db lives with dm and is her carer. He does an amazing job with her, all the care, cooking, cleaning, admin, appointments, even cuts and dyes her hair for her.
About three weeks ago DM was saying strange things, like she could see spiders and spiders webs (not the case as the house is spotless) and that she seen someone pulling up plants in the front garden (again not the case as there are a few plants, but they're all there).
So, cue to last week during half term on the Monday, I get a phone call from my db about DM is acting strange and she's been shouting 'help' out of the window. She then proceeds to call the police (they got and interpreter on the phone as my dm keeps flitting between English and her language) and they turned up. I spoke with them over then phone and as I was going over to take her to the hospital for an appointment in the afternoon anyway, I said I'd come over. I spoke with the police and they were lovely and I showed them some documentation to prove DM didn't own a property she keeps going on about. This house was my uncles but db inherited it. It washy uncles but we all lived there at some point in the 70's. Df bought the family home dm lives in and owns now.

I took her to the hospital appointment that afternoon, she was quite quiet, so we carried on until she got to see the doctor. The doctor asked if she was well in herself and she said she was. I was behind her shaking my head and so the tirade started and she started to talk in her own language getting mixed up. The consultant was concerned as he knows her and her behaviour was erratic. He asked me why she was like that and I said she'd been like it for about 10 days or so.
Tuesday - She declared she was on hunger strike. Then she started attacking my db, pinching his arm, shaking him, punching his back and swearing at him, gelling him she wished she'd aborted him. I told my db to call an ambulance. It came and they and took her to A&E. I followed as she was violent against db so safer I went. I found her in a side room and sat with her. I didn't engage with her and sat looking at my phone. She was quiet, but again went into a tirade with the doctor. I let her do it so the doctor could see what she was like. They admitted her that night. They did a CT scan of her head and an MRI scan of her head too whilst she was in, but nothing has shown up.
We had a call from the psychiatric nurse and she was going to confer with the psychiatric doctor who would also see her.
We had calls from OT and then they were going down the safeguarding route (no concerns on that front). Talking about two houses.
the scans came back with no concerns.
Dm has now been sent home and she is still talking rubbish, moving between English and her language. Getting confused, argumentative and paranoid.
Does anyone have any experience of this? What could it be? If she doesn't have dementia or Alzheimers, what else could it be? She has been given Mirtazapine, but this hasn't calmed her down.
In the mean time I have told db to not engage in conversation with her and to keep things basic, like asking if she wants something to eat and drink.
Thanks for reading if you have got this far x

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Longdistance · 28/02/2021 17:36

I’ve mentioned to my db about Lewy dementia, it’s another Avenue to go down.
She was in better spirits today, laughing and joking as she usually is. I took my dds and she was so happy. She seemed much calmer and she had a good feast for lunch.
She’d also slept better, apparently she woke at 8am declared she was still tired and went back to sleep. Although, she’s been wearing her mask in the house and confusing it with the hospital.

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PufflingPantsOn · 28/02/2021 16:14

The hallucinations and erratic behaviour make it sound like Lewy Bodies Dementia. My family member would also see spiders webs, Lilliputian children, rain on the window and was convinced people were trying to steal her purse, handbag or sewing machine.

Rosesarere · 28/02/2021 08:27

The same thing use to happen to my auntie when she had a uti, often wouldn't show up on the dipstick test. you say she was dehydrated they often go hand in hand, could you ask for some antibiotics specifically for water infections just to totally rule it out

MereDintofPandiculation · 28/02/2021 08:18

When she’s been talking rubbish we’ve not engaged with her as she’s clearly ‘right’ in what she’s saying and is convinced she’s right. You're right not to try to reason with her, it is just distressing for her, but see if you can engage a bit, eg saying you'll talk to your dm about the red letters and make sure she doesn't hide any in the future (ie don't admit she has been hiding them, don't deny it either, but give her hope that this fantasy she's afraid of will be dealt with).

Longdistance · 27/02/2021 19:18

I’d spent the afternoon with her to see how she was. There were some odd conversations. She was talking about the mortgage on her home ( it was paid off 25 years ago), she was getting teary about df. Df passed away in 2017, but dm was talking so much.
My db went out to get a break so I sat with her, and we talked a lot and it felt normal. She was telling me about the handsome doctor she had at the hospital and we were giggling about ‘you can look but can’t touch’. She was smiling and laughing which was lovely, but then descended into a tirade where saying my db was going to put her in an old folks home/ he’s assigned the house to himself ( it’s all a load of rubbish) she’s convinced herself he’s evil, but then as he was going out she gave him a list of shopping to get Confused
We sat and sorted some bills out and she said she was panicking as my dm has hidden all the letters that are red. Not the case as db pays bills etc as well as her as they take turns.
I’ll check to see if she’s had her calcium levels checked. They’ve exhausted the infection route in hospital.

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Redact · 27/02/2021 16:52

I should add to my post that my dm had episodes, so could have these hallucinations for a period and then be ok, well as ok as you can be with dementia. I wish you and your family all the best and hopefully investigations will give you a clearer picture.

Redact · 27/02/2021 16:46

My mum's dementia started like this. Erratic behaviour and she kept saying she saw things that weren't there or there were objects there but she saw them as something entirely different. She was eventually diagnosed with mixed dementia - vascular and Alzheimer's

im5050 · 27/02/2021 14:39

Honestly I would ask to get her calcium levels checked for the possibility of cancer
Your mum sounds just like my mum was behaving

Longdistance · 27/02/2021 14:25

Well, a lady from the council has been and suggested a carer come in the mornings. She’d seen dm agitated.
I’m sat here now, she’s flit between aggressive to quiet as a mouse. She’s not a happy soul at the minute and looks very angry.
When she’s been talking rubbish we’ve not engaged with her as she’s clearly ‘right’ in what she’s saying and is convinced she’s right.
The postman delivered a letter, weirdly it was an old pension of mine. She was convinced it was her, I gave it to her to read so she knew it wasn’t for her. She gave it back to me.
Thanks for all the ideas, it’s really appreciated.

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im5050 · 27/02/2021 14:24

My mum was so bad she thought my sister was her dead cat 😂

im5050 · 27/02/2021 14:22

My mum was like this, literally like Freddy Kruger on a shit load of speed 😂
She had cancer and very high levels of calcium which was causing the confusion and aggression
I would push for a MRI / Scan and check for calcium levels
They treated the cancer and we got another 3 years with her

Sadly those 3 years she had dementia and Alzheimer’s but could still do a good impression of Freddy Krueger mother 😂

LiveintheNow · 27/02/2021 14:13

Check that b12 is one of the blood tests they are doing, as this being low can cause hallucinations too.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 27/02/2021 14:00

Delirium can have a variety of causes including infections of any kind, metabolic disturbances eg dehydration and low sodium and new medication especially opiate painkillers. You have to hope the hospital has done their job in ruling these out/ treating them but the mental disturbance does persist after the cause is treated so doesn't necessarily mean anything was missed. If she isn't getting better after a week or two or getting worse then back to GP to take some more blood tests.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 27/02/2021 13:56

You cannot diagnose or rule out dementia on a scan alone in fact. It's on the history of symptoms and cognitive tests.

The suddenness and severity though is unlikely to be dementia and more likely delirium due to the kidney infection. The delirium can persist for weeks after the physical cause resolves but should resolve in the end.

In the meantime she might need some different medication to help her behaviour and distress in the short term which old age psych are best to advise on.

Doodlepip23 · 27/02/2021 13:46

OP, keep pressing for proper investigation. My DM went like this overnight. The hospital said she must have dementia and that was that. We pressed for further investigation and it turned out she had an infection in her heart and once she was given antibiotics in hospital, she was much better. She had two more episodes of confusion before she died, she said the most awful things to everyone and stayed up all night talking to herself. She had previously had sepsis and kidney problems before developing the infection in her heart. Good luck OP. I really feel for you and your mum and family.

NewspaperTaxis · 27/02/2021 13:34

'Doing alright now' means, we had the person in hospital for a couple of nights or more, it wasn't down to me and Diolyte sachets!
Also, the drip replenishment needs to be slow, otherwise it can cause permanent mental harm, I was told.

NewspaperTaxis · 27/02/2021 13:32

This has prob been checked but this kind of behaviour is not just caused by a UTI but also low sodium levels. Talking gibberish, getting up and wandering around, falling over etc.
It is cured by a two or three-day stint in hospital on a drip, very slowly replenishing the sodium levels.
Reluctance to do this due to the Covid thing and you just might look at using one or two sachets of Diolyte daily to do a similar thing but that is more to ward it off or reduce the impact and I'm not a medical person, but it won't do harm. It certainly won't sort the problem by itself but it just might alleviate the worst effects.
I was taking urine samples to the GP thinking well if it's not a UTI we are really stuffed, it's game over. This was some years ago and 'patient' is doing alright now.

Longdistance · 27/02/2021 12:01

Thanks all.
Dm got a phone call from the hospital and she declared she was being held hostage by my db (my poor db) and they want to know her financial situation. She didn’t spend £9k of her pension in the last year. She’s got thousands in her one bank account. I’ve tried in the past to get her to put it elsewhere but she wants to leave it there.
I have a feeling we really need to ramp up and make noise so that she gets the help.

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MooseBeTimeForSummer · 26/02/2021 23:26

My mother had vascular dementia and suffered from terrible auditory hallucinations.

bluestarthread · 26/02/2021 23:12

My father in law had Lewey Body Dementia and had similar episodes - lots of hallucinations- things in food, people in the house, report water pouring into his room etc. He seemed to be lucid a lot, charmed doctors and answering questions perfectly. We reached a crisis point and had to have him admitted to hospital. It’s a horrible time. I hope things work out for your mum.

Longdistance · 26/02/2021 23:11

Nothing about the kidneys so far. When my dm had bowel cancer it spread to her liver. Half was removed the first time and then it regenerated itself it grew back with cancerous spots which they operated on and she then had chemotherapy for.
She had the cyber knife therapy in November for the shadow on her lung, which the consultant said was fine.
@dillydallydollydaydream7 my df had renal failure and passed away with this. I'm convinced dm has something cancer related. I've been assured it's not that Hmm

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dillydallydollydaydream7 · 26/02/2021 22:44

So sorry you're going through this. Have they said anything about her kidneys? My lovely late Grandfather had renal failure; was diagnosed at stage 2 and as soon as he reached stage 5 he became so very confused and disorientated

Longdistance · 26/02/2021 22:13

Thank you @OnthePiste. We're going to plug on for now. I'm not convinced they've got it right and have missed something. It is a complete 180°. My db was always the golden boy, but now he's evil (according to dm) so there is something they have missed.
I'm seeing her tomorrow to see how she is.

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OnthePiste · 26/02/2021 21:53

@Longdistance

They've taken bloods, urine samples and the scans to see what is going on. according to them she's healthy (for someone who has had radiotherapy and has a heart valve working at 30%). She was dehydrated, so they gave fluids and antibiotics for an infection which they said was in her kidney. They said she was fine, but now I'm thinking they've missed something. We will see how she goes in the next few days. She's been saying me and db have been colluding against her. He's evil, I'm evil and she wishes she aborted my db Sad
That definitely sounds like delirium and could possibly be caused by the kidney infection. I am amazed they did not tell you this if her behaviour was similar in hospital! It often subsides but can take a while-6 weeks in my mum's case last year. Just try to keep her calm and hopefully you will see an improvement. If not, seek further help.
Longdistance · 26/02/2021 21:41

They've taken bloods, urine samples and the scans to see what is going on. according to them she's healthy (for someone who has had radiotherapy and has a heart valve working at 30%).
She was dehydrated, so they gave fluids and antibiotics for an infection which they said was in her kidney. They said she was fine, but now I'm thinking they've missed something. We will see how she goes in the next few days. She's been saying me and db have been colluding against her. He's evil, I'm evil and she wishes she aborted my db Sad

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