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Going NC with DM who has signs of dementia?

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SinisterBumFacedCat · 14/09/2020 12:08

I’ve not spoken to her for 3 days, no calls from her. The last time I saw her we did some DIY for her and she had a go at me and slammed the door in my face.

She lost her husband last year, he was doing everything for her and since then I have picked up where he left off. She lived with us for a time and became gradually ruder during that time. We moved her, we did up her house, we put so much time in. Since lockdown I delivered food to her twice a week, then started taking her shopping twice a week. Managed all her admin, she struggles with all paperwork and hates technology. She looses things, forgets dates, gets paranoid about people throwing away her stuff and has been rude and called me a liar when she forgets information I have given her. I have spent the last year making sure she is in a safe place and has everything she needs, answering numerous calls and dropping everything to go round and find something she has lost. She is manipulative with money and has cast my DH as a villain even though he has done so much for her. Her siblings are getting similarly fed up with her. She will not consider going to the GP about her memory loss and says it’s all due to “trauma” of loosing her husband, but he noticed symptoms before she died and spoke to me about them.

I know that when people get dementia/Alzheimer families are supposed to be extra tolerant of all symptoms including what feels like lies and rudeness but I feel I have reached the end of my tether. I can’t keep turning the other cheek when she is rude to me, or pretending there isn’t something medically wrong because it makes her feel better. My DC have had to take a back seat this year and I don’t think it’s fair. I did care for my DF who has a progressive neurological disease before he went into a care home and that was harsh, but he was never intentionally cruel like this.
She can walk to the shops, it’s a bit of a walk but it’s doable. There is some paperwork to do but it’s not the end of the world if it doesn’t get done. I think she really needs to see how much I do by my stopping. I have been so stressed and neglected my own family and others keep telling me to step away and let her fail so she can get proper help. But I feel bad that it is probably an illness that is making her this way. It has really taken over my life and at some points driven me to incredibly dark thoughts about self harming and running away. Is it ok to go NC with a demented parent? I should add that we had a good relationship before however when I look back on my childhood there was some things that were really not right and I would not put my DC through however I don’t know if this was down to age and experience (she was a young mum) or her being a bit of a narc.

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gandalf456 · 05/10/2020 13:55

I am in this position with my mum (not the rudeness, though) and she got worse after DF died and then got admitted to hospital for emergency surgery which accelerated the problem.

To be honest, I would give up trying to persuade her to go the the GP and just make the appointment and take her there. We did this with our mum and she was relieved that we did. I would imagine your mum is secretly concerned about herself and in denial. The rudeness could be part of the condition or down to stress.

We ended up being referred to the memory clinic and she came out with the diagnosis of Mild Cognitive Decline. We are keeping our eye out for it getting worse.

Sometimes having a sibling is helpful There is one other to share the burden and to have a rant with but also, it gets complicated if we don't agree about where we are going with this. My sister can be overly anxious at times and I spend a lot of time trying to calm her down and filter out what is and isn't a problem which is stressful in itself. I can be overly laid back and optimistic at times and that probably makes things worse, too.

Rinsefirst · 05/10/2020 13:46

OP with a DF who has Huntington’s and your DM with very obvious dementia traits no wonder you are wrung out. Trying to manage them plus navigate your own family life must be so energy sapping.
You sound like you definitely need a break from their demands and day to day.
In your shoes I’d be asking DP to phone the social work adult care team , twice a day if necessary, and telling them you are beyond the stage of assisting your parents for the next few weeks as you are mentally and physically exhausted/ burnt out.
He needs to be very insistent Flowers

MereDintofPandiculation · 04/10/2020 18:12

I don’t think she actually cares about me at all. I think I deserve an apology, but I doubt I will get one. What a terrible way to treat your only child. This is the illness. It's not your mother. You need to step away from this person, but it's no longer your mother. Your mother is no longer in that body.

When people tell you to be tolerant of the behaviour of someone with dementia, it's not just them that they're protecting. They're also saying this is the illness that is talking. There is no real-life meaning to what they're saying. People are trying to give you the defences to protect you from being hurt by the words that the damaged brain has caused to be uttered.

PlanDeRaccordement · 04/10/2020 14:45

You could talk to siblings (hers) and see if they’re willing to split the cost of a periodic carer who would go in and do the day to day checking on her. Making sure she has food, has eaten, house is clean, etc. They could then bring you any paperwork that your DM can’t do.

You are doing full time care of her all by yourself. I agree it’s too much when you have DCs that also need you.

Bakedbeanhead · 04/10/2020 14:39

Oh op I have read your update and feel your pain. I am currently low contact with my mum, I swing between feeling guilty and feeling free. Please look after yourself and your lovely family and hope things improve.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 04/10/2020 14:17

Yes, have had a good chat with DH. Am stepping away now. At the end of the day I have to look after my own mental health.

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Heffalooomia · 04/10/2020 13:10

I think you have no choice but to step away ☹️

SinisterBumFacedCat · 04/10/2020 13:02

Another family member has since spoken to her and she still believes I have stolen from her. I feel pretty heartbroken and angry. I don’t think she actually cares about me at all. I think I deserve an apology, but I doubt I will get one. What a terrible way to treat your only child.

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Supersimkin2 · 03/10/2020 21:46

Just cos it's not her fault, doesn't mean it's not happening - you're being abused, OP.

She's not an adorable old lady getting muddled - she's a risk to your welfare. It can only get worse if you don't change things; it will probably get worse anyway.

Tragic for you both, but better to do what you can.

I would follow your relation's advice to the letter. When and if SS get involved, tell them she's an abuser and you can't be involved in her care. This is about the only thing that works with SS, by the way - that or hitting the grandchildren.

Your goal should be to maintain civilised contact, but have no daily chores. Twenty years is a long time to manage this relationship, so start as you mean to go on.

Heffalooomia · 03/10/2020 18:02

if social services do get involved that if you give an inch they take a mile
tsmain, do you mean that if you let them step in they take over completely?

tsmainsqueeze · 03/10/2020 17:47

Sorry just re read , you are familiar with social services !

tsmainsqueeze · 03/10/2020 17:46

I had unofficial responsibility for an elderly relative , she was not rude or abusive but was stubborn and not keen to accept much needed help , i made sure she had food , gradually took on the collection and safe keeping of her pension , sorted any bills i could find laying around .
It was not ideal as she needed so much more help than what she would accept from me , she had early dementia too.
Sadly it was a crisis that occurred , she had a fall , before she finally received what was needed.
I think you should back off for your own sanity , do the bare essentials until the time comes when she has no choice but to accept care etc.
I certainly would not stay in her company if she were rude to me but equally i don't think i could go nc.
Really hard for you and i hope things sort out , be aware if social services do get involved that if you give an inch they take a mile.

Heffalooomia · 03/10/2020 17:42

Pity you dont live far away:(
that makes it easier to distance yourself

SinisterBumFacedCat · 03/10/2020 17:40

I doubt they will be interested. She still washes, dresses herself, cooks and eats. She is perfectly nice to her neighbours and friends. It’s just me she depends on for admin, shopping, helping her drive but me she hates, blames everything bad on and emotionally manipulated. I have taken this very personally today and I can’t snap out of it. She has been trying to manipulate me with money for months and I had come to terms with that, but actually accusing me of stealing is just morally wrong.

My dad has Huntington’s disease. It was a struggle to get social services interested, even when environmental health shut down his accommodation because it was a health hazard. They were consequently always playing catch up with his housing and care. The desperate physical and mental state my dad was in before they helped leads me to believe they won’t consider someone who can answe the door politely and say they are fine.

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Heffalooomia · 03/10/2020 17:21

can ypu step back and let social services take over?

Frankley · 03/10/2020 17:09

It sounds as though you could get Attendance Allowance for her. Phone got a form and put down every little detail on it. You don't need a diagnosis and it is not means tested. (I didn't know about this for years, officials don't seem to tell you)

SinisterBumFacedCat · 03/10/2020 16:46

My friends mum used to hallucinate bunnies and squirrels and sing hymns with imaginary children. I wish my mums dementia was like that!

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Rinsefirst · 03/10/2020 15:05

Sinister Everyone’s dementia is different but there are common themes which are often cited by families before a diagnosis is sought. Believing money is stolen is probably the anxiety that crops up most . Possessions being moved / taken Is also high. Increased sexualisation is another. Sad
My DM got locks changed as she believed we were driving 50 miles to hers, hiding in the bushes, and taking things when she was at the shops.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 03/10/2020 13:15

Thanks for all the support. I really don’t know what to do. All the online advice recommends distractions and getting duplicates of things she looses in case. I can’t do that because it’s a) such random stuff like books and cds and b) I can’t really afford it, I’m still on furlough (likely to be made redundant) and she’s has enough money to buy duplicates herself. I feel guilty because I am not taking her shopping today but also still really angry that she accused me, the person who has done everything for her. Apparently she has also told her friends that I am steeling things from her house.

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Heffalooomia · 03/10/2020 11:38

I'm so sorry OP, this sounds so stressful ☹️

rose69 · 03/10/2020 05:19

You are dealing with a very difficult situation. Please contact adult social services. There may be a time when she needs to go intone home and they will help. Best to have her on their radar as soon as you can.

pregnantprayingmantis · 03/10/2020 00:28

@SinisterBumFacedCat take a deep breath. Be kind to yourself, you are doing the best you can in a horribly difficult situation. Tomorrow is a new day and chances are she won't remember. I say this having had a parent with Alzheimer's and try as I might, I lost my patience while on phone several times too.

stellabluesky · 02/10/2020 23:20

@SinisterBumFacedCat you're not doing it all wrong, it's an extremely difficult thing to deal with and you're only human.

I've just read all your posts and I really empathise with you. I'm in a very similar situation, I'm an only child, mum is in a definite cognitive decline which is also bringing out the worst elements of her personality. On a good day she's like a little girl who needs lots of praise (she often calls me mum) and on a bad day is a spiteful angry teenager verbally lashing out at me. It's also bringing memories of my childhood, which like yours, had elements that were not particularly great (lots of emotional liability from her & guilt tripping) but I always worked hard to maintain a good relationship with her and understood where her behaviour came from as she had a difficult childhood herself.

Be kind to yourself and remember she'll probably have forgotten you hung up by tomorrow. I had a similar incident with my mum a few weeks ago (after visiting her daily for one issue or another, some which were non existent when I got there & she had no concept that these may have caused me problems with work and other commitments nor concern when I explained this) which ended up in an argument where she was extremely unpleasant. I walked out and she had no memory of this two days later and denied it had happened! Whereas I was still very upset about it.

It's very difficult when they are in that place, where they are just about coping, so the statutory services won't be interested plus, if she's anything like, mum, they are very very good at masking how they really are to others. She is also, to be fair just about coping at home for now but only with a lot of help from me.

As others have said, try to set boundaries. We've a caravan so have booked a lot of breaks (starting from next week) now that lockdown is less stringent. I think mum has forgotten we have it! She was a bit shocked by this but it has mean she's reinstated her cleaner and gardener which stopped during lock down and she got used to me doing it all etc. We've sorted out food deliveries and she has got a good social network but seems to very different with them - masking again. Is there anything you can say or an excuse to be less available?

Toofaroutallmylife · 02/10/2020 23:05

You’re not doing it wrong. You’re trying to deal with someone who has probably lost all sense of reality. Please try to get yourself some support. It’s horrible, I’m so sorry. But you can get through this Flowers

SinisterBumFacedCat · 02/10/2020 19:07

Things were going ok for a bit, had a nice day out very positive. Nice conversation on the phone today. She then called me an accused me of stealing. I know this is to be expected and I tried everything to defuse it but it started to really piss me off and I ended up telling her to leave me alone and put the phone down. I know I am doing this all wrong, but I can’t take it. I have never stolen anything in my life and I am her DAUGHTER, I have been her slave since her husband died. I cannot do this anymore.

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