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Dad dying, how to cope with Mum

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MintyCedric · 28/04/2020 23:35

I was on here about a year ago after my dad had a bad fall and broke 4 vertebrae.

To cut a long story short, although there was no spinal cord damage and we got him home after 7 weeks, he never really recovered and his health and wellbeing has been on a downward trajectory ever since.

Shortly after lockdown he became largely bedridden (other than going to the bathroom) due to weight loss and lack of strength/balance. Verdict of 2 x GPs and practice nurse is that it's likely he has some kind of late stage gastrointestinal cancer and a prognosis of a couple of months at best.

Over the last week has been struggling to get to the bathroom (he has a commode and portable urinals in his room.but I've had to hold him up to use the latter. Today he made it out to the loo but I had to lift him off it).

Mum seems to be somewhat in denial and is not really managing to make any decisions about equipment and carers, and emotionally is utterly exhausting.

I'm visiting them almost daily, sometimes for several hours or more than once, but feel I'm spending all my time propping mum up. I want to be supportive but I'm also trying to work from home, keep an eye on 15yo DD (who is great but starting to forget what I look like), keep my own home/paperwork under control and look after myself (which is frankly a lost cause).

I feel guilty as hell for both resenting Mums demands on my time and brain space, and also because I'm dealing with the dad aspect on autopilot and have barely cried or even begun to process the situation.

I imagine my mum's emotional demands will only get worse and feel like my life is basically going to be over for the foreseeable future. I'm terrified I'm going to have give up work and my home to care for her and although I love her dearly, we are like chalk and cheese and I just don't think I could cope.

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RandomMess · 18/06/2020 16:36

Hurrah for a decent boss!!!

I would include how much strain you are supporting a terminally ill parent and unwell mother oh as well as single parent!!

MintyCedric · 18/06/2020 16:31

No. I would be Unison but I was with them in a previous job when redundancies hit and they were as much use as a chocolate teapot so never joined back up.

The HT member of staff I PA for is very union centric and has suggested I put an email together raising my issues and she'll take a look with a view to involving the head.

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RandomMess · 18/06/2020 14:59

Are you in a union?

RandomMess · 18/06/2020 14:58

Hmmm I reckon a few days at work and then you'll be ill with stress...

MintyCedric · 18/06/2020 14:53

So much for making life less stressful and carving out some more time.

Went into work today for what I thought was a toe in the water with a view to going in a few hours a couple of times a week around DD's reduced hours (which I was happy to do as minimises risk if we're travelling to/from and there at the same time).

I have been told that I am expected back in three full days a week from Monday, my hours and the fact DD can't come in early/wait for me in school mean she will have to travel to and from on public transport increasing the risk even further.

So I either don't see my parents at all for the next 6 weeks (4 at work, 2 quarantine), or carry on supporting them with the associated increase in risk factor.

All this in spite of my having had a letter from the GP saying I should work at home if possible and the fact I have been doing so perfectly competently for the last three months.

Apparently it's suddenly impossible for me to do my job from home.

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Weenurse · 18/06/2020 09:44

Well done

MintyCedric · 17/06/2020 23:20

Thanks all - you are indeed fabulous!

I've no intention of letting her pull back on the care - tbh I'm hoping she'll just go with it once she gets used to it.

I have pointed out to her quite firmly that this is not about what she wants, it's about what is best for dad's safety and wellbeing.

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RandomMess · 17/06/2020 23:02

How would she react if you explained that social services could decide she is being deliberately unkind/abusive if she refuses the care for Dad that the DN says he needs?

Rinsefirst · 17/06/2020 22:20

Agree with dpotter. You have such good allies here, Minty.

thesandwich · 17/06/2020 22:16

Well said dpotter don’t let dm mess up carers.

DPotter · 17/06/2020 22:08

That's good Minty - about the care agency putting in support. Don't give her options for pushing away support, don't tell her she can tweak. If she says she doesn't like the intrusion of whatever, say something like ' give it a few more days / well dad needs this help now / let's speak to the DN about it first'.

Let the care agency / DN lead now/ If you let the care go - there's no guarantee you'll get it back when she does want it. Remember what I said - 'take whatever they offer you, even if it's not what you think you need' it's so that when you do need somethings else they have to give you the next level up, so you've already got the basics. Sorry - don't know if that makes sense. Bottom line - DO NOT be the one to negotiate with your Mum about dropping services - that's for the DN / Care agency

MintyCedric · 17/06/2020 18:19

Care agency called mum this afternoon and told her they will be putting in 2 x carers for an hour twice a day, every day from Monday.

She's not thrilled about it (they wanted to start tomorrow!) but I think I've convinced her to go with it on the grounds she can tweak a bit if she find it doesn't work (ie.make the afternoon ones every other day for twice as long)

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MintyCedric · 17/06/2020 13:39

Actually it's just occurred to me that I do have Do Not Disturb set up for notifications so she can only ring me between 11pm - 7am.

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MintyCedric · 17/06/2020 13:38

To be fair it wasn't mum's fault - dad's in inco pants and we tell him repeatedly that he mustn't get out of bed but he will insist on doing it.

It's happened twice in the last week in the early hours so I wondering if when he wakes he's a bit disorientated and doesn't remember that he can't manage it.

Yeah FB message at 6.30am - I woke up and read it at 7.15pm. Spoke to her again at half nine and have heard nothing since. She was quite insistent that I didn't go round and that she'd call if she needed me. They've got extra care in today anyway, but I though I heard Dad calling for me in the background when I spoke to her earlier, although apparently it was for her (our names start with the same sound so maybe but...Confused.

I'm increasingly thinking I need to work on my own knee jerk reactions and guilt complex as much as anything!

As for 'do not disturb' - I just couldn't. I don't have a regular sleep pattern anyway, especially at the moment. We've no-one else and if they couldn't get hold of me, they'd hit the careline button and they'd call me on the house phone anyway.

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VanGoghsDog · 17/06/2020 10:57

Well, I hate to say it, but it was inevitable and maybe it will help her to rethink what support she is willing to have.

DPotter · 17/06/2020 10:37

A message is OK - she didn't ask you to come over and you didn't offer, so that's good.

6.30 is a bit on the early side for a message - do you feel OK to put on a 'Do not disturb' message on your phone overnight?

MintyCedric · 17/06/2020 09:30

So much for the right direction...message from mum at 6.30am to say she'd been woken by an almighty bang and found dad in a heap on the floor at the end of his bed.

She did message though and wasn't panicking and said there's nothing I can do so I haven't, but its shaken them both up badly.

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flygirl767 · 16/06/2020 20:36

Glad to hear things are going in the right direction Minty. Stay strong with your mum, she may still try and resist but you need to think of yourself and your daughter. X

FortunesFavour · 16/06/2020 19:55

Well done Minty, definitely sounds like heading in the right direction. Glad you’re feeling a bit better today X

DPotter · 16/06/2020 19:06

I am so pleased things are getting sorted for you all.

Rinsefirst · 16/06/2020 15:37

Minty if there was a Mumsnet award badge for ‘elderly parents’ you have truly earned yours these past few months. Grin
Good that your DF still has a view but sorry to hear about your dreams. (Not that uncommon with those meds.)
Hope you and DD get uninterrupted time tonight.

MintyCedric · 16/06/2020 15:13

Well! Mad dash round to mum's this morning as rather than phoning me the DN called mum and asked to pop round (at 10 minutes notice, then showed up two hours later. Anyhoo...)

Dad on pretty good form, and between me, DN and care manager we seem to be making some progress. We talked through the fact that he and mum need a lot more support and tried to address mum's issues about invasiveness and how much they would actually be able to do at set times of the day. I gave the DN my suggested carer timetable (which mum has also seen and we've tweaked a bit) and she's going to liaise with care manager and the funding team to see what they can put in place. I told her I was wfh full time and going back in 2 days a week from Tuesday.

They won't consider the use of suppositories to regulate Dad's bowel function, but hopefully with more carers in it will become less of an issue. She's also ordering a zimmer so he can take some of his own weight when transferring to the commode.

We've decided not to revisit the Convene at the moment as Dad wasn't overly keen and inco pants are working okay at the moment. His skin is great condition despite being bed bound since mid-March and in the pants for the last few weeks.

As for me...I have made an effort to take my meds properly since the weekend, cut back on the alcohol and get a few early nights, albeit with the help of a tiny amount of diazepam as all the 'dad anxieties' pop into my head as soon as light goes out. On Sunday I had a nightmare about him dying on his own in horrible circumstances; last night just as I was drifting off I got an image in my head of him having a seizure (which has never even happened) and a few weeks ago I woke up with a start having 'heard' someone tell me 'he's dead' (obviously he wasn't!)

I am thinking of touching base with the local counselling service again to work through that side of things, but I do feel so much better today...fingers crossed that will continue.

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Weenurse · 16/06/2020 11:10

Good news

MereDintofPandiculation · 16/06/2020 09:29

Of course the medical / caring professions take you at your word. To do otherwise would be patronising and arrogant. To ask a supplementary question wouldn't be patronising or arrogant.

DPotter · 15/06/2020 23:04

That's such good news Minty!!

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