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Dad dying, how to cope with Mum

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MintyCedric · 28/04/2020 23:35

I was on here about a year ago after my dad had a bad fall and broke 4 vertebrae.

To cut a long story short, although there was no spinal cord damage and we got him home after 7 weeks, he never really recovered and his health and wellbeing has been on a downward trajectory ever since.

Shortly after lockdown he became largely bedridden (other than going to the bathroom) due to weight loss and lack of strength/balance. Verdict of 2 x GPs and practice nurse is that it's likely he has some kind of late stage gastrointestinal cancer and a prognosis of a couple of months at best.

Over the last week has been struggling to get to the bathroom (he has a commode and portable urinals in his room.but I've had to hold him up to use the latter. Today he made it out to the loo but I had to lift him off it).

Mum seems to be somewhat in denial and is not really managing to make any decisions about equipment and carers, and emotionally is utterly exhausting.

I'm visiting them almost daily, sometimes for several hours or more than once, but feel I'm spending all my time propping mum up. I want to be supportive but I'm also trying to work from home, keep an eye on 15yo DD (who is great but starting to forget what I look like), keep my own home/paperwork under control and look after myself (which is frankly a lost cause).

I feel guilty as hell for both resenting Mums demands on my time and brain space, and also because I'm dealing with the dad aspect on autopilot and have barely cried or even begun to process the situation.

I imagine my mum's emotional demands will only get worse and feel like my life is basically going to be over for the foreseeable future. I'm terrified I'm going to have give up work and my home to care for her and although I love her dearly, we are like chalk and cheese and I just don't think I could cope.

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VanGoghsDog · 19/06/2020 23:59

My dad had put some photos he liked into an envelope. There was one of me from about twenty years ago with a boyfriend. I said to mum "oh, I wonder why he had this one?" (Feeling a bit chuffed he had a photo of me in his special photos). She said "I expect he thought it was a nice photo of [name of area it was taken]". Cow!

Re being like a little boy - I was feeding my dad, and I said "you've been very brave" (he really was) and he gave me this totally innocent and sincere look and said "have I?" just like a little boy.

I said yes, yes you have.

Weenurse · 19/06/2020 22:28

One day at a time, keep cuddling the cat

MintyCedric · 19/06/2020 19:56

...and mum has bemoaned throughout this that Dad is more cooperative with me and when I'm there he will always call for me rather than her.

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Grinchlywords · 19/06/2020 19:53

ThanksThanksThanksStar

MintyCedric · 19/06/2020 19:40

I do my love my mum, but we are like chalk and cheese and I am painfully aware of her faults.

At times, particularly stressful ones, she is hard to like but she's always been there for me and we do have a laugh sometimes.

My dad though, is like my soulmate (not in a weird way!). We are just so alike, proper finish each others sentences alike.

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Grinchlywords · 19/06/2020 19:08

I recognise the cheeky little boy thing too. Dad was like that. He would absolutely beam when he saw me. I loved him very much. I don't love, or even like, my mother.

Grinchlywords · 19/06/2020 18:23

Beautiful puss cat there, Minty.Smile

I've read your thread all the way through, and I have every sympathy for you. My mother is very like yours. She made my father's decline and illness all about her too. She uses emotional manipulation ( or tries) is supremely self centred and wants to be in control at all times. Very rigid and inflexible. Even now that she is in a care home herself.

One thing you mentioned particularly resonated with me. She never once considered that I was losing my father either, as she was losing her husband. Not once. Again, all about her.

It sounds unkind to say, but she has always been this way. Old age has just made it worse. I cant imagine living with her. It would have destroyed me.

Unlike your situ though, he went to a care home and died in hospital. I can barely imagine the stress you are under, and am so glad to hear you are carving out some time for yourself. It's vital. Stay strong, step back. The various agencies will not step up if they know you are there. I simply said I was unable to help them and support needed to be provided. Mother fought it tooth and nail, but had to accept it in the end.

There are moments of dark humour to be found, aren't there. It also occurs to me it is all interesting material for the writing, no ?

Koko. ThanksStar

MintyCedric · 19/06/2020 17:29

This one helps too...she's such a cuddle bug!

Dad dying, how to cope with Mum
Dad dying, how to cope with Mum
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MintyCedric · 19/06/2020 17:27

Thanks all.

I have been home for a couple of hours, had a nap with my fur baby, wine in the fridge and easy dinner planned, followed by an indulgent bath.

Writing day tomorrow all going well...cross your fingers for me.

Apparently dad has been insisting that his BIL's mum is coming to visit. Pretty sure he's not met her since his sister's wedding in 1973...

Honestly I am still managing to find humour in between the desperate moments. When he woke up at lunchtime he was like cheeky little boy...it was very sweet.

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Rinsefirst · 19/06/2020 16:23

Care homes are taking residents if it came to the crunch but from what the DN said it would be difficult to find one that would accept a patient at end of life stage, and there would be implications for moving dad also.
Minty I wouldn't take it as red that DN is correct. Now would actually be a good time to get a bed in a care home as they have empty rooms and more goodwill and community support than months ago. They also are better equipped and will be following very high standards of hygiene.
Flowers you've had a rubbish week.

DPotter · 19/06/2020 14:46

Minty

The Crunch is here. It's arrived and the shit is indeed hitting the fan at high speed

You're going to think I'm the hardest bitch ever - go home, go home now. Do not return tonight. What happened to your resolve about stepping back? If you Mum can't cope tonight - call an ambulance.
Remember if you are there - you will not receive any additional support.

I am so sorry you're in the middle of this - please think of your own health and that of your DD. Just in case you thought I didn't mean it - GO HOME!!

MintyCedric · 19/06/2020 14:29

Well, after nearly giving us all a heart attack this morning, Dad suddenly sat up in bed at 12.30pm and requested boiled eggs and soldiers.

He's currently watching some kind of detective drama by the sounds of it.

Work have at least agreed to let me do the three days a week I've asked for, which doesn't make my life a lot easier but does at least mean DD won't have to get to and from school on public transport.

If things deteriorate I'll just cross that bridge when I come to it.

During the course of the phone calls this morning, we have discovered that we won't be entitled to any hospice support (inpatient or at home) because dad doesn't have a formal diagnosis of anything specific.

Care homes are taking residents if it came to the crunch but from what the DN said it would be difficult to find one that would accept a patient at end of life stage, and there would be implications for moving dad also.

So basically we plod on until the bitter end with no options other than increasing carers if it comes to the crunch and waiting for the shit to hit the fan.

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RandomMess · 19/06/2020 11:32

Hand hold and hug Thanks

VanGoghsDog · 19/06/2020 11:12

They are being very odd - all those things are in your dad's best interests. It's no good for him to wet the bed and wander around. He could hurt himself. And lying in wet sheets is no good for him.

We started calling the district nurse every time dad got agitated. So if he was mithering to get out of bed etc, we just called the DN. They pretty quickly found ways to stop us doing that - overnight carer, sedation, syringe driver etc.

MintyCedric · 19/06/2020 11:08

VanGogh the nursing team literally will not do anything unless it's in dad's best interest. They won't catheter, won't give suppositories so I dont hold out much hope for sedation.

He's pretty much unconscious at the moment anyway so don't know if it's going to be an issue for much longer.

Carer just about managed to ascertain that he didn't want a wash or breakfast. He's not responding to me or mum now.

Waiting on further calls from community nursing team and GP.

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VanGoghsDog · 19/06/2020 10:57

It sounds as if you need an overnight carer. Or, for him to be sedated at night so you all get some rest.

RandomMess · 19/06/2020 10:11

You really need to work on your boundaries and FOG with your Mum from now.

You need to not take on responsibility for her happiness, remember she will never be happy not even if you give up her life and moved in with her.

If she's lonely she can move into assisted living with shared communal areas etc. You still have a child to bring up and you need to work - both non negotiable and DDs NEEDS will always take priority over her.

KOKO Thanks

MereDintofPandiculation · 19/06/2020 10:03

I don't know if our brains change in latter years but people become very selfish. They get less and less control over their life, they find things that they used to do have become more difficult or impossible, it's no wonder that what remains becomes more important to them.

MintyCedric · 19/06/2020 08:18

I can't and I wouldn't but I actually feel like videoing 'a day in the life' and sending it to my bloody boss.

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MintyCedric · 19/06/2020 08:17

Minty the one thing you have to believe right now is that this is not the rest of your life

I think I may have to print that out and stick it on the wall in every room of my house. Right now, and really on and off since Dad had his fall, I feel like my life is over, to all intents and purposes.

When he's gone, there will be mum to deal with, which will probably be even harder in some ways.

I stayed over last night - Dad's not doing well. Minimally responsive yesterday afternoon. Managed to feed him about half a dozen spoons of chilli and yoghurt, and he watched TV for a bit. Got him on and off the commode (with results - fabulous as don't have to worry about getting a call from Mum about that for a day or two now), changed his inco pant, did meds and got him into bed then read to him for a bit.

Up since 4.30am after he called out. When I went into him he wanted to know where everyone was! He calls out in his sleep a lot so I just sat up in bed reading after that.

6am heard him on the move, he's out of bed, which is soaked, and has taken off his pants. They were dry so I guess he must have got out of them and then wet the bed.

Sat him down, full strip and change of bed, helped him use his portable urinal before getting him in clean pants and vest, administering more paracetamol and getting him back in bed and settled down.

Mum's been up for about half an hour and is a nervous wreck and hasn't stopped sobbing.

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Bluemoooon · 19/06/2020 07:03

My DM passed away years ago but she had been a geriatric nurse and also worked in a Care Home before retiring but somehow hadn't logged that her life might end similarly.
Wouldn't sign a DNR, wouldn't go into a home, once in one expected a lot of me, it was only afterwards I thought - WTHell.
I don't know if our brains change in latter years but people become very selfish.

Knotaknitter · 19/06/2020 06:53

Minty the one thing you have to believe right now is that this is not the rest of your life, things will change and it will get better. Until that time you have to slog through one day at a time, if that's too much look at getting through the next hour. You are under an unbelievable strain right now but it won't always be like this.

MintyCedric · 18/06/2020 23:43

knot I'm so sorry you went through all this as well.

At the worst times in my life I was glad I had children/dependent pets because it gave me a reason to carry on when my life was not worth living.

Quite honestly if it wasn't for DD I was at the point of just flooring my car off the top of the nearest multi storey a few weeks ago, so I can totally relate to that. I have actually finally admitted to a couple of people recently that I've self harmed when it's all got too much (only in a very minor way but still...)

You are very right about that last phrase too.

Anyway, now I've calmed down a bit I'm erring on the side of sucking it up tbh. My work have always been the same and I'm never going to change anything. I have an expression of interest pending with another job - just waiting for them to open for formal applications.

If they'll let me do the days that work best for me and stay out of a particular upcoming event that I think is insanely high risk, then I'll settle for that, it's only for 4 weeks.

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Knotaknitter · 18/06/2020 18:45

Minty - I've avoided this thread because I knew it would be grim. Coping with my mum's grief and anger, stopping her launching at the throats of the rest of the family is fresh in my mind nearly twenty years on. When people say "oh, I just don't know how you manage" it's because there is no choice, you just have to keep on going because there isn't any other way out of it. At the worst times in my life I was glad I had children/dependent pets because it gave me a reason to carry on when my life was not worth living.

I hope your boss removes her head from where she's stuck it, if not then perhaps buy yourself some time and sob at your GP pointing out the lack of support in these difficult times for your family (the long list of things that you know should be out there, but not for you) and for you (carer's services, counselling). A sick note for a month would take you to the end of term. I know that you don't want to do that seeing as you can work from home but someone is being unreasonable here and it's not you.

(Could your daughter travel in with you and sit in the car at the beginning/end of the day?)

I will give you the three phrases I found helpful when dealing with someone who thinks the world should revolve around them:

Don't set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm
It's not my job to make her happy
If everything I do is wrong then I'll just do what I want to do

The last one I found particularly freeing.

MintyCedric · 18/06/2020 17:46

Sadly my immediate manager lives a charmed life of young, healthy parents, a sister she gets on brilliantly with, great job, shiny new well-trained husband and no kids.

In short, she hasn't got a fucking clue.

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