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But worried about elderly neighbours care via her daughter. What to do?

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wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 22/04/2019 09:25

Hi all, not sure whether I’m hoping for advice or reassurance. Sorry for long story but really appreciate anything you have to say.
Next door neighbour is a bit odd and difficult to deal with. Not sure how old, between 65 and 75 but vulnerable in the sense she’s few social skills and some strange behaviours. When we moved in 4 years ago I tried to be kind but she’s genuinely impossible to deal with so I just keep out of the way now.
Anyway, she was on her own with a husband with advanced dementia for a year after we moved in. No visitors, ever. One day hubby fell down the back door steps and we picked him up and asked around if there were family members nearby. Turns out her daughter lives 100 metres away. We went round to tell DD mum and dad were in trouble and family started appearing to ‘help’ I say ‘help’ because there was much tooing and froing and a lot of loud conversations and council workers fixing the house up but then father fell down stairs and died. I couldn’t help but wonder why, with all the activity, and after he fell down the three back door steps, nobody had moved his bed downstairs.
Fast forward three years and I’ve become used to the sight of the daughter arriving three times a day for quick visits with food. She never goes inside the house. She stays for between 1 minute and 3 minutes. Sometimes friendly sometimes shouting. Her mum tries to talk to her and tell her things and occasionally there is a proper conversation but more usually she says she has to rush off. She brings a hot meal and a sandwich every day which the mother washes up.
How do I know all this? Every conversation takes place a few feet from my kitchen door and the elderly neighbours door is always open. Yesterday daughter was shouting at the mother not to do the garden because she is paying her son to do it.
Now, as I said, the neighbour is difficult to deal with so it’s understandable that the daughter might want to rush off but what I’ve realised is that mother is probably claiming direct payments and paying daughter for this care. Then daughter is paying son to do garden. The garden is nevertheless a mess. Now if I told you that ours is an ex council house and they are still council tenants you might think I’m a snob but I want to tell you this because I can see that this is a family that have always struggled financially and educationally. This is what worries me, because I know that desperate people do desperate things.

I think the mother is very vulnerable and the daughter is using her as a meal ticket. I think the standard of care she is receiving is practically zero. The mother goes out every day on the bus shopping and seems fit and able in many ways so I’m unclear why she needs the meals delivering. It seems to me that the house may be in a risky state for falls and fire but the daughter is not addressing that. There are unspecified disabilities, I don’t know what, but I do know that the house is piled high with clutter, mostly piles of washing (?) and there’s just a narrow path through the mess from front room to kitchen.

I’ve cared for my own mother through a psychosis and I know it can be difficult. I would not want to be this woman’s daughter. I would not want to have to care for her. However she is a human being and doesn’t deserve to be taken advantage of by unscrupulous and uncaring relatives. I don’t know what to do. It’s not my business. There’s no immediate danger I don’t think. I don’t know. Can someone cast a clear eye over this situation for me please.

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Floralnomad · 22/04/2019 15:49

I agree with pp that you are making lots of assumptions , surely the most her daughter would be getting is carers allowance which frankly is not easy to get and the highest level is only £80 per week I think . Even if the daughter is getting that she is providing gardening services and 2 meals per day 7 days a week which sounds ok to me . My grandmother was an alcoholic who on the face of it seemed normal to her neighbours but my late mother and myself were in and out like bloody yo-yos and it was a thankless task trying to deal with her - maybe this daughter feels the same but also likes us feels obligated to carry on . My GM also refused to have carers in or let us move her clutter and junk .

Ihatemyseleffordoingthis · 22/04/2019 15:48

"what I’ve realised is that mother is probably claiming direct payments and paying daughter for this care. "

What's led you to leap to this uncharitable conclusion?

Perhaps the daughter is simply doing her darnedest, isn't allowed in to help clean up but at least makes sure her mother eats.

Smoggle · 22/04/2019 15:43

The daughter's there three times a day.

You say yourself you couldn't bear the deal with the mother. Sounds like her daughter is doing lots.

wigglypiggly · 22/04/2019 15:39

As pp have suggested you can speak to the adult social services safeguarding team if you have genuine concerns about her welfare w d think she may be at risk but you do sound a bit over over invested so just keep to the basic facts.

hatgirl · 22/04/2019 10:59

You are making an awful lot of assumptions and being quite judgemental.

How have you leaped from a comment about paying son to do the garden to the daughter is obviously claiming direct payments and ripping mum/the council off? Even if she is in receipt of direct payments how do you know it's not specifically for the purpose of having her daughter deliver a meal to her three times a day? It could be a creative care plan that's the only way a vulnerable lady will accept support.

If this lady is fit and able to the shops then it's unlikely she will be in receipt of any significant fu do via a direct payment, certainly not a 'meal ticket'

I can see that this is a family that have always struggled financially and educationally. This is what worries me, because I know that desperate people do desperate things. you what? Poor people are all potential criminals?

By all means report it as a safeguarding issue to social services if you wish - that's obviously the correct thing to do if you suspect abuse or neglect. But from your op it sounds like a lot of disapproval about what you think they should be doing rather than any specific reason to believe this woman is being abused/ neglected.

collectingcpd · 22/04/2019 10:42

Sounds like a patient I had recently. Mother refused any help (for years) from SS, house was filthy, mother claimed it was fine. Adult children had disengaged, because of mother’s behaviour. Maybe 2 minutes on the front step is all the daughter is allowed. Hideous as it all sounds, the current set up
Might be the least hideous option. But as pp has said, call ss and tell them, leave them to sort it out. They may already know.

thesandwich · 22/04/2019 10:34

I would contact adult social services and register your concerns. Sounds tough to witness.

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