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Caring for elderly relatives? Pop in for support, a hand hold, advice, whatever you need.

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picklemepopcorn · 06/03/2018 12:42

Carrying on from previous thread, IF I can work out how to link...

Come and offload your worries and frustration here, and share your experience and hard won wisdom with the rest of us!

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yolofish · 02/08/2018 17:29

oh yes, and in the middle of the night in hospital they take you out of your isolation ward and take you to a room full of machines where they do tests on you - wtf?? she told me and DD2 this and then said 'you do believe me dont you?' and I made the mistake of saying it seemed rather odd to which I got 'oh well you never believe a word I say' so swift change of subject reqd!

yolofish · 02/08/2018 17:27

c.diff negative, however says can no longer walk. Met with consultant, she will be in there until at least Mon and more likely end of next week which gives me a breather. He wasnt very cheerful, I explained my concerns that she would come home, fall over again and repeat ad infinitum and he said yes probably. OTH she has the autonomy to make her own decisions once they discharge her; so I guess it will be a case of wait until the next fall. So I have made my mind up that I will no longer put my life on hold; if I'm away and she falls over she will have to use the lifeline to get paramedics to put her back on her feet or take her back to hospital. It sounds so harsh, but we/I have missed out on so much already these past few years I cant keep doing it just on the grounds that the next fall is the one that carries her off.

picklemepopcorn · 01/08/2018 18:25

Good plan!

Honestly, it's like you have to forget all the usual rules of conversation. It's hard if you are used to listening and responding and being listened and responded to.

I'm sure lots of elderly people are still lovely- in fact I know they are. Some that demand the most support are not, however!

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MoreCheerfulMonica · 01/08/2018 18:12

Thanks, all. You are strengthening my resolve. I might start carrying a pebble, too!

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picklemepopcorn · 01/08/2018 17:14

Yolo! Just tell her that there is nothing you can do to solve it. Agree it's absolutely rubbish for her, but you don't have a magic wand. It's hopeless.
If you wail about what a frustrating, difficult situation it is, you take the wind out of her sails and leave her with nothing to say. Hopefully.

And definitely arrange things in a way that suits you, not her. If they threaten to discharge her before you are ready, ask what they will do about her safety. Make the authorities do the running. They have a better idea what resources are available and should know how to sort this out.

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thesandwich · 01/08/2018 17:11

Yolo you are right. that is all you can do- which is bloody marvellous, covering all bases. You must protect yourself.

yolofish · 01/08/2018 16:35

nota love the early release from school!

I have come to the conclusion today that nothing I do over the next few weeks will be right, so I am going to have to do the thing that causes me the least angst. She is desperate to come home but in isolation; cant get a carer because potential c.diff; not safe to come home as will fall over; 24 hour carer cannot cope alone on extended basis; cant come home over w/e as I will be away for work; cant come home to an empty house with no food etc.
So currently: waiting for c.diff result, will try and get 24 hour carer from Monday plus a service our trust provides called Hilton Nursing who come in 3-4 times a day. Then, I assume she will fall over again and we rinse and repeat!!!! FML

notaflyingmonkey · 01/08/2018 16:20

I use grey rock as well. DM ocassionally gets narked with me over it if she notices as I give minimal responses to things and refused to get drawn when she is criticising (me or others). She will then say that I might as well go home, which is bliss, like being released early from school!

thesandwich · 01/08/2018 13:59

Love the grey rock idea- brilliant. Dripping in Teflon maybe?
Hope things as as well as they can be....

yolofish · 01/08/2018 11:36

rocking in a corner also helps Grin

I learnt ages ago never to tell DM about anything bothering me because she's like a bloody dog with a bone...

MoreCheerfulMonica · 01/08/2018 08:45

Elevenerife! I shall be thinking that to myself from now on.

I shall also be trying to do more Grey Rock. I mostly do, but where I struggle most is with the lying (I’m not going to mince words here because the mindbogglingly false versions of events she gives are lies). I feel I ought to challenge them but, actually, there’s little point so I shall do even more eye-rolling and grey rocking.

whatever45 · 01/08/2018 08:38

That's so interesting, kinda what I used to do without realising it!

picklemepopcorn · 01/08/2018 08:23

It's a way of dealing with narcissists. You make yourself very boring- no drama here, move along, nothing to see. Give them no information, no reaction, don't give them any material to work with.

It also means not holding them to account, not expecting anything from them, not engaging in anything beyond the necessary. Mum often doesn't notice that I do this. It's all about her, after all. Occasionally she'll complain 'no one ever tells her anything'. Telling her doesn't change anything though, it just leaves you more vulnerable to her. If you tell her you are really struggling, having a hard time etc, she says things like no one is as busy as her, you have no idea what it means to be really stressed. Elevenerife.

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whatever45 · 01/08/2018 07:46

Not heard of grey rock, sounds interesting?

picklemepopcorn · 01/08/2018 07:16

And yes, Monica. I grey rock all the time. I avoid telling her what is going on in my life (not at all hard). I certainly rarely allow her to see my emotional life. It just makes me vulnerable. When she dismisses things that are important to me, changes the subject, belittles my experiences etc it hurts and I get tempted to hit back. So I just glide superficially through, thoroughly teflonned!

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picklemepopcorn · 01/08/2018 07:13

That is very difficult, whatever. And any Eulogy, when you know a less pleasant side, can be very trying.

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whatever45 · 01/08/2018 06:09

It's interesting seeing you all talking about how different they can be depending on who they are with. This is what I'm really struggling with as we prepare DM's funeral. I'm getting endless gushing messages from her friends saying what a beautifully kind and loving person she was and yet my teenage children are struggling to know how to react when they have witnessed a completely different side to her character.
I'm trying to explain ( and believe myself) that she was a good friend who did so many things to help others but that unfortunately, perhaps due to her own childhood, she found it hard to know how to be the Mum she wanted to be.

MoreCheerfulMonica · 31/07/2018 23:49

Has anyone adopted the Grey Rock technique? I’m just beginning to read about it - it seems (more or less) like a different version of Teflon.

yolofish · 31/07/2018 21:10

oh I think they can switch on the behaviour. Mine is a dream if she thinks she is going to get what she wants, however bad the potential outcome could be. But she can also be absolutely poisonous; it's ok-ish when she does it to me, but when she does it to my DDs that's a completely different thing and I dont react well at all.

annandale that sounds incredibly stressful Wine etc

picklemepopcorn · 31/07/2018 18:06

I've seen a few people be absolutely saintly with mum. I start to worry that maybe I am harsh, and she is a frail little old lady in need of all the help she can get. Then I remember the tongue lashings she gives out!

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annandale · 31/07/2018 18:02

On a completely different level but my mother pulled out of her house purchase AGAIN yesterday, which makes possibly 5 times in 3 months? I'm losing track. Then as of this morning it was apparently back on again, according to my sister. I get that she doesn't want to move from her house and that in some ways it is quite convenient - bungalow, nice view, reasonably near a shop - but in other ways it really isn't - hours from any of us, up a steep hill from the shop so she always drives even though her driving is very fragile, steep stone steps to get to the house itself. We've all now agreed that if she hates the (lovely, ground floor, pool on site, central, ten minutes from me) flat she is moving to, she can use it as a base to find somewhere else. Or at least we keep thinking it's agreed. Her estate agents are saintly, particularly as she is extremely rude to them - my lovely mum as was Sad

thesandwich · 31/07/2018 16:56

Crikey pickle 😇😇🏅🏅for you! And yolo so sorry to hear- at least it’s keeping her there. Hope you are ok.
Buckets of Teflon and 🍷🍷to all!

yolofish · 31/07/2018 16:50

yy to the constant wearingness of it all. a week?!!! are you quite mad? or just terribly terribly brave? I couldnt do that, hats off and masses of teflon to you

picklemepopcorn · 31/07/2018 15:55

That's good, Yolo.

It's the constant wearing down from petty drama interspersed with crises. When the phone rings, you don't know which is arriving.

I'm down there for a week from Saturday, hopefully finishing off my Dad's estate and doing some fun stuff too.

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yolofish · 31/07/2018 13:23

god pickle I swear they are sent to drive us mad. DM been moved to isolation on diff ward as still has diarrhoea but no c.diff results as yet. From my POV this is no bad thing as cant arrange care until we know what is going on... can imagine she is ranting though esp as I cant go today and I deliberately didnt give her her phone yesterday.

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