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what is wrong with my Mum?

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hellymelly · 20/01/2013 15:19

she's in hospital at the mo, with a broken leg. She had a stroke a few years ago. She is 81. Anyway, she's been getting more confused for want of a better word. She is convinced that she has been on a day trip with all the other people on the ward, other things like that. However, the doc said she's been assessed and she did really well on the memory test, he said better than some of the nurses would, so he was baffled and surprised when db told him about the confused patches. We are worried as my Dad died in September and she is alone at home now, and it would be good to know what might be going on. Anyone experienced anything similar?

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hellymelly · 18/05/2013 12:00

My Mum is in a care home now, and not liking it. We are waiting for a place to come up in the home close to me, which I think she will like more, and hoping that time there will help us assess whether or not she could cope for another year or so in a home of her own, if it was close to me or my brother. I agree with the guilt, it is so hard, I hate to see her upset. We've had a tricky relationship in many ways but now she is old and so frail I just feel very protective of her and want to make sure she is happy.

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whataboutbob · 08/05/2013 14:09

I second what Charlie says. It is awful and I'm going through it with my Dad (Alzheimers), prior to that I was responsible for my Grandad who had Parkinsons and then got cancer too. He stuck it out at home refusing to budge (he had some dementia with the Parkinson's) and when he was finally admitted to hospital the social worker there said she couldn't believe he was still living at home. After that I organised nursing home for him. He didn't like it but there really was no alternative. I think the Parkinson's, and any other form of dementia, causes reduced insight and unrealistic expectations. There comes a point where a relative has to say enough is enough, but it's damn hard.
As Charlie says you are facing up to your responsibilities so shouldn't feel guilty. Easy for me to say though. I am often consummed by guilt.

Charliefox · 04/05/2013 20:03

I'm so very sorry to hear that you're having such a tough time. I know only too well how sad and frightening it is. Take some comfort from the fact that you're obviously doing your best to ensure that your mum is safe and cared for.

hellymelly · 04/05/2013 15:31

To update for all you kind people who posted, and in case anyone else is going through similar:
After much badgering we finally got a repeat psych assessment. The original one felt she was basically fine, even though they'd had a long chat about her stay in the hospital in her home town. (There is no such place, but the psych didn't know that and was somewhat embarrassed I think). Anyway the new guy thinks she has some vascular dementia, post stroke, but also the beginnings of Lewy body. My Dad had this as a result of Parkinsons, can't quite get my head round another parent with the same thing, as it was pretty grim. She will also start to develop Parks-like symptoms because of the Lewy body. Her gait is already affected, hence the frequent falls. All very upsetting but far better to know. She has gone downhill already though, and may never be able to live alone again. She wants to move into a bungalow near me, at the moment she is moving from hospital to a temp care home place. She was sent home from hospital a few weeks ago, and lasted less than 24 hours before she had to press her alarm as she fell and couldn't get up. So she's there again. I'm still hoping she might get a year or so in a pretty bungalow with a flower filled garden, but it isn't looking likely. Sad. Her big sister died a couple of days ago, my poor Mum.

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hellymelly · 21/02/2013 22:36

Mum has (at last) agreed to power of attorney, so that will hopefully be started soon. DB and I had it with Dad, so we are familiar with the process etc. She was falling victim to loads of scams at home, the kind of thing where they tell you that you will get a cheque for x amount, you just need to send them £100 or whatever to release the money. We've returned all her junk mail and put db's voice on her telephone, routing through to him at the moment. She had a pile over a foot high of dodgy scam type mailouts.
DB said she was much brighter when he saw her earlier this week, she is worse when tired. The reablement team have been taken off and social services put on to her case instead, so hopefully all will be sorted to keep her safe at home. We are also thinking of a temporary stay in an old people's home while we find somehwhere for her to live near me or DB, possibly a warden supervised type of thing. At the moment she is just so vulnerable, and although she's been told she must not go upstairs when she goes home, there is no doubt in my mind that she will do it when home alone, and that is a huge fall risk as the stairs are steep. Sad. Thanks for all the kind messages all.

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greenhill · 21/02/2013 10:00

I know your DM hasn't been diagnosed with Dementia, but I had a look at Age UK's website for information. They suggest contacting health service providers, social services and thinking about getting a Power of Attorney sorted, so that you can start making decisions when your DM is unable to do this for herself.

www.ageuk.org.uk/health-wellbeing/conditions-illnesses/dementia/help-and-support7/

I think it is at least worth speaking to your mother's GP and asking what type of help is available to her, and you. I really feel for you, it must be difficult for you, knowing that your mother has been in hospital for over a month and shows no sign of improvement.

ajandjjmum · 21/02/2013 09:14

My PIL both had hip replacements and were both incredibly confused after surgery, but improved and got back to their 'old selves' once home.

They did find that FIL had low sodium levels, which apparently can affect the memory, and he was LOADS better when this was corrected.

Hope you're ok.

Branleuse · 21/02/2013 09:08

uti?

WynkenBlynkenandNod · 21/02/2013 09:03

I haven't any experience about post hospital discharge but my Mum had help from the Reablement team who usually kick in after hospital discharge. I think if they are trying to push towards discharge then you need to make it very clear that you consider her unable to live safely on her own and will not be able to be responsible for her safety and push towards a meeting to discuss her future needs. Sorry you are going through this.

hellymelly · 19/02/2013 22:28

She saw a psychiatrist yesterday. I saw her on Saturday and she seemed low (understandable), rather distracted and bothered by the other women on the ward, and sometimes confused. The psychiatrist feels she has something called "derealisation", in response to the traumas of losing Dad and the fall. She said it was quite common, and that it meant Mum was mixing up reality and non-reality. I don't know, I didn't speak to her, DB did, so I didn't get to chat about it, but although I can see elements of that in my Mum I also think maybe there is something else going on- the above poster who described her mum's post-stroke vascular dementia, that sounds very like the way Mum is now. We still haven't been given a date for a meeting with the team, and they seem to be making more steps towards a discharge. She wouldn't be safe alone at home in her present state, so I am panicking slightly about what happens next.

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funnyperson · 18/02/2013 22:15

How are things?

sadaboutmum · 18/02/2013 19:19

Sorry I cross-posted - I see that you have considered vascular dementia.

sadaboutmum · 18/02/2013 19:17

I'm quite surprised that nobody has mentioned post-stroke vascular dementia. This is what my Mum has and at first there was no real problem with memory as such - she would just think that she was somewhere else, or think that she had seen or spoken to people when she had not. Has this been mentioned at all?

hellymelly · 31/01/2013 17:01

Thanks Greenhill.

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greenhill · 31/01/2013 11:44

Thinking of you and hoping that by bumping the thread, that someone comes along to reassure you very soon x

hellymelly · 30/01/2013 22:49

I don't understand why she is getting almost a 100% score on the mini mental test and then is so confused at night-time that she doesn't know where she is. Also the needing to wee a lot at night is strange isn't it? I think it is likely she has a UTI-( a couple of years ago she was sent home from hospital, really not right and confused, after I had repeatedly asked for her to be tested for a UTI . DH was with her and he called out her GP- sure enough, UTI, and after meds she was ,masses better and back to her normal self. ) I just don't know if this could all be down to that, certainly the sister thought not. Am very worried. Also worried that she was able to get out of her bed, out of the ward and into a corridor without anyone seeing (she has a broken leg and is only walking with a zimmer and help by day, so whether she was using the zimmer or not she would have been very slow.)

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funnyperson · 30/01/2013 16:47

sending strength vibes

hellymelly · 30/01/2013 16:18

Cider, as far as I know, you can get Lewy body along with Parkinsons, as my Dad did, but Lewy Body dementia can itself produce Parkinsons like symptoms, the movement issues etc. I am so sorry for your Mum, it is hideous.
I made a mistake earlier, after talking to db, he said Mum's score on the mini-mental was 29 out of 30, not 24 as I thought. So we are at a bit of a loss as to what is going on.. There was a crisis in the night, the hospital called me at 7a.m., Mum had wandered into the corridor and fallen/was sitting on the floor. She said she was "looking for the post box" Sad.
The Ward sister said that she is much more confused at night-time, and that she constantly needs to wee at night, so they've sent off for a urine culture, but she felt the confusion was more fundamental than a UTI and that Mum would not be able to go home. (the unspoken word "ever" was hanging in the ether). She didn't say "care home" outright, but that was clearly what she was getting at, so I feel horrible upset today. Not helped by me picking up the call and thinking she might have died, as we got an early morning call when Dad died. the ward sister is arranging a meeting which db and I will go along to if we both can, to work out where we go now. Sad Sad.

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CiderwithBuda · 30/01/2013 10:12

Hi helly - she does seem to have Parkinson's symptoms. We had no diagnosis for ages and researched ourselves and reckoned it was Lewy bodies. At one point when she was in hospital a few years ago I mentioned the Lewy bodies and was told it didn't matter what type of dementia she had! Except that one symptom of Lewy bodies is that they can't take the normal drugs prescribed for dementia. She had a really bad reaction first time they gave them. Next time she was admitted I told them not to give them so they gave something similar. Again the bad reaction. When she was discharged home at that point there was a care package and the carer and district health nurse were told she had Parkinson's. We weren't told. When she was moved to the nursing home they were told it was Lewy bodies.

hellymelly · 29/01/2013 22:58

will ask for a B12 check.
Cider, does your Mum have Parkinsons then? My Dad also had Lewy Body dementia,( with Parkinsons) he had horrible nightmares and paranoid delusions, very distressing. I have wondered about vascular dementia with Mum as she has had two strokes we think (when she had the main one, they found signs of an earlier stroke). I should google though as I don't know much about it.

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AshokanFarewell · 29/01/2013 15:58

An elderly friend had the same thing and ended up being admitted to hospital as she was severely dehydrated. She had not been drinking enough for months as she was worried about not getting to the loo in time :(

She also had a B12 deficiency, has your mum been checked for this? Apparently it is quite common in elderly patients and the symptoms can look like dementia, but if caught early enough the damage can be reversible. It's not routinely checked though, so might be worth asking.

All the best to you and your mum :)

CiderwithBuda · 29/01/2013 15:39

There are other types of dementia other than Alzheimer's. Vascular dementia can cause hallucinations and delusions as can Lewy Bodies dementia.

It is common for elderly patients to become very confused in a hospital setting too.

I'm sorry you are going through this. It is horrible. My mum has Lewy bodies dementia and is nownin a nursing home. She has regular delusions. Some are funny but it is all very sad. She told everyone that she and I were not talking as I was having an affair with some guy in the IRA. She thought my sister was in prison for shoplifting shoes. And she was convinced that my dad was having an affair with the man accross the road. She was still living at home then and made my dads life hell with that one as it was in the early stages and wentnon for ages and we didn't know what was happening.

hellymelly · 29/01/2013 15:13

hatgirl are there any tests we should be asking them to do that would give a clearer picture, like the memory clinic suggested earlier?

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hellymelly · 29/01/2013 15:12

Piglet- no pets at home, no.
Teacake- swollen tongue? Interesting, as I had no idea about that. Very helpful to know.Thanks for that and no you didn't sound bossy! I am really grateful.
hatgirl- that is also really helpful. She does seem to keep up with conversations, she remembered all the details of where we were going to stay when house-sitting, and wasn't confused about that, its the imagined stuff that is strange, although it may well have its roots in half-overheard converstions. The imagined ward trip to see us is worrying, but more disturbing to me is that she repeats that to db and I without being able to see that it would be impossible. And she looked so worried herself when I gently said that no, it hadn't happened. Only db and son had come.

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hatgirl · 29/01/2013 01:11

Hi

Right, the memory tests that the doctors (or others) do in this situation (mini mental state examinations or MMSE for short) are to get a rough idea of where someone is at memory wise. Yes 24 out of 30 is a 'good' score but someone with a good education/ well looked after can often score highly when actually they are having significant problems. These tests are a gage rather than a finite answer. My own opinion is that used incorrectly they are actually quite dangerous and don't take into account the different backgrounds of the people taking them.

The 30 questions range from what is your name, how old are you, what day is it, what year is it, who is the prime minister... to....

spell 'apple' backwards now, copy this pattern, remember a word I told you 15 minutes ago.

I would not be overly concerned if people were getting the last few questions wrong, I would be quite concerned if they were getting the first few questions wrong. The score means nothing, how which questions were answered is more important.

Some older people develop fantastic coping strategies that can mask just how confused they are. For example you have already picked up on the fact that she is saying thingymajig a lot, i.e. actively contributing to a conversation but not quite being able to manage it. Its often worth checking back to a conversation held a few minutes earlier to see what they have retained or not and how much they were really contributing or just 'nodding along' to.