Has the West been taken in by Hamas’ lies and anti Israeli narrative?

I know you are not a Netanyahu supporter from previous posts.

A small group on MN will complain that any thread that seems pro Israel is manned by either bots, those being paid to post or - the latest version - those hoping to (somehow?) influence the elections in Israel. I’ve seen those same accusations on other threads too.

All the anti Israel threads are fine of course and no allegations made of bots/paid posters/political motivation.

People were rightly concerned about Palestinian children being taught to hate Jews by a curriculum designed by Hamas. It’s minimising legitimate concerns re antisemitic propaganda and children by describing it as being “a bit daft.”

Agree with that, and just to add a bit, on a tangent sorry, this reminds me about UN funded teachers allegedly teaching a curriculum designed by Hamas in Gazan schools. There was an uproar about that. And to me it was all a bit daft, because of course Hamas set the curriculum, because they are the Government.

It would be a bit like a US evangelical Church sending teachers to teach Young Earth Creationism as fact, in UK public school science classes. Not allowed, because lessons need to be set on the curriculum the UK government set.

A daft example perhaps, but I hope people see what I mean.

You did over-egg that. A later poster posted his statements which I’m paraphrasing now that indicate he has been the victim of character assassination and that he had never concealed anything that ‘didn’t fit with the Hamas’ narrative’ (whatever that is) because he has always been critical of Hamas.

Independent journalists are less vulnerable to coercion. Any Gazan journalist has family in Gaza. Family whose lives can be threatened by either Hamas or Israel, or both. The casualty ratio of journalists and various incidents do show they have been targeted by both Hamas and Israel, as have their families in this conflict. When your family is in the war zone you are reporting from, you are vulnerable to blackmail and coercion. An independent journalist whose family is thousands of miles away is only risking their own life to faithfully witness and report what they see happening on the ground.

If it's not a coincidence then what is it? What exactly are you accusing the OP of?

Yes, we've all heard your conspiracy theory about how Mossad were responsible for all thr antisemitism in Iraq and before that the entire middle east was a utopia where everyone got along.

100% this. It's amazing how many threads like this have been started recently. I'm sure it's a total coincidence. 🙄

Okay, in order to not be accused of misinterpreting you, can I ask what you mean by, "It felt as if the marches were all ready to go ….
Everything was planned".

Obviously not but after seeing him at the UN he looks increasingly isolated and desperate. Which might be what @Lonelycrab is alluding to.

If you have not read it, I really do recommend you read Avi Shlaim, "Three worlds, memoirs of an Arab Jew". His father was a prominent Iraqi businessman in Baghdad but was broken when he had to move to Israel.

It’s an incredibly rich nation against one of the poorest. Hamas has dodgy weapons from its allies in the Middle East , tunnels and kids throwing rocks. Israel has Mossad, a properly funded army, a defence dome and millions of pounds of support from Jews worldwide.

Jews are westerners in a way Arabs aren’t. I would say Israeli's definitely have the upper hand in all respects. No one is “taken in by Hamas”. It’s just impossible to have peace unless both sides can sort their respective situations out, independently of conflict.

Blimey this is all ramping up exponentially to save Netanyahus bacon this last week or two…

How does 7/10 -this being what you called “your turning point” impact on the truth of what happened in Gaza?

Seriously? Are you talking about Nebuchadnezzar?

Antisemitism isn't just the purvue of western Christians. It's older than Christianity for fuck's sake.

No

Hamas are terrorists and committed atrocities on 7/10. Because of this you don’t want to hear about the concerns of what has happened in Gaza- even if they are valid? Interesting given you felt there is only one truth. What if the truth just doesn’t align with your belief system - do you then just discount it?

I think the anti Israel bias and the threats/insults etc to those who attempt to push back and be more balanced whether it be as a journalist, pubic/well known figure, average person or even on boards such these means that other views are ignored and dismissed.