Has the West been taken in by Hamas’ lies and anti Israeli narrative?

What anti Israel threads?

There are dozens of threads such as This is the reality of what Israel is doing now.

Part 7. That's 7,000 posts mostly just criticising Israel.

There is a lack of trust of the police from a lot of people experiencing crimes. I asked for actual data that this leads to more under reporting of hate crimes from Muslim victims compared to other victims such as Jewish ones.

The climate is anti semetic in the political arena due to the size of the Muslim population in my view. Sadly I think the reporting is anti Israel and I believe that this deliberate,

There is quite a lot of information showing a lack of trust of the police, particularly among young Muslims. Things like the discriminatory use of stop and search and the use of the Prevent programme to target the community have led to it.

Exactly. Just the same as many Germans did when the horrors of the holocaust we’re made obvious to them after WW2, just as some denier will still do today.

Jewish people would have good reason not to trust UK authorities as well. Is there any data to back up your belief that the Muslim community has less trust of UK authorities when it comes to being victims of hate crimes?

I think you should have put a full stop after "any assault is wrong". The "but" undermines the message that any assault is wrong.

I think the idea that a lot of it is propaganda is making way for plausible deniability. I didn't know what was really happening, I was told that it was propaganda, if I had known I would never have said the things that I did etc etc.

I watched the channel 4 dispatches doc on the government and Gaza last night and it reminded me of exactly why so many reacted as they did to what was happening(and still is) in Gaza. So many scenes of absolute carnage in Gaza, so many disgusting events from the announcement of the siege on the 9th of Oct to the targeting of Drs and aid workers to the sheer speed at which Israel killed thousands and thousands of people including thousands of children.

Time softens things but watching the doc last night really reminded me of the speed and scale of the devastation that Israel wreaked on Gaza. When you watch things like that you realise that it's not propaganda that made people feel so deeply it was sheer unadulterated horror at the hell that Israel unleashed. It's a completely normal human reaction to seeing unimaginable human suffering.

There are questions about the hate crime figures- how well reported are all the crimes ? I think the Muslim community have less trust of uk authorities

that aside - any assault is wrong - but if what to tie the hate crime to the war crime with acknowledging the war crimes it’s going to be difficult

you can’t ask that people turn a blind eye to extreme wrong doings in the hope that it will prevent crime against yourself.

I'm not glorifying him. Real life is not like a Hollywood movie with villains and heros. In this case you have the Hamas terrorists against the IDF terrorists.

I answered this before but, as a result of the Jewish community being much smaller than the Muslim community, just because the per capita rate is much higher it doesn't not mean that antisemitism is so much worse than Islamaphobia.

Who am I going to believe. An eminent Israeli historian who is not just basing his opinions on research but on a lived first hand experience or the Israeli propaganda machine which wants to perpetuate the idea that the Jewish people were the eternal victims in every country in the world. I think I'll go with Avi.

Christ. Reading comprehension problems going on here.

Don’t engage with me again then if that’s what suits you. we are going round in circles anyway. You want to believe that Hamas control everything, people don’t have their own minds, and just parrot it out. Those people who say such things were most likely raging anti-semitics in the first place.

But guess what, most people are not. Wanting equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis is not a bad thing.

It also feels true that journalists feeling threatened or barred from access by the Israeli government cannot be truly independent.

The people who are independent are the aid organisations who have been inside Gaza and have seen first hand what is happening.

I know it feels horrible to admit the genocide being carried out, the thousands of men, women and children who have been killed, the people now starving in Palestine, all at the hands of Netanyahu. I know it is far more comforting to believe there is a conspiracy theory and that actually Palestinians are living their best lives and having no issues at all. But if you continue to ignore the evidence being put in front of you, it allows governments around the world to carry out these attrocities.

Read it again s l o w l y. I didn’t say that at all.

A medical tribunal heard that a doctor’s claims about her NHS hospital being targeted and looted by "Islamist" rioters were entirely false.
In September 2026, a Medical Practitioners Tribunal heard the case of Dr. Parmis Lamei Javan, a doctor who had been working at Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow, north London. Following the Southport stabbings in July 2024, Dr. Lamei Javan posted inflammatory and false statements on social media platforms.1]

Jewish doctors in particular, apparently.

I didn’t say that. I said people talk shit, on both sides of the coin.

There have been multiple high profile cases of NHS staff making extremely antisemitic comments and the recent enquiry concluded that antisemitism in the NHS is a major problem. But apparently Jewish doctors who are scared are just talking shit.

A podcast claimed he said it. How do you even know it was him speaking?
How would they control it? They can’t.

Such as? I would think they’d get arrested if it’s in support of Hamas. I know a few have been arrested and convicted over the past three years, but it’s hardly wide spread?

What is the narrative coming out of Gaza that they are spouting?? We can all see it!