To feel sorry for Ed Sheeran.....

Don’t tell me what me and my community should be terrified of. Any other ethnic minorities whose fears you want to police?

This is an absolute shit show and what’s more disgusting about this is the fact that Macklemore was meant to of been a friend of Ed’s, meaning he probably knew ed doesn’t use his platforms and social media for politics and views, his tours and concerts are for just his music for his fans only, but yet the selfish bell end went ahead and chanted his thoughts about it all anyways, when there is a place to do so like his own tours, platforms and social media, because of his selfishness it has now caused issues for ed and has affected his image. Concerts are for music and enjoying a night out, politics should be spoken about elsewhere as there is a time and place for that, Macklemore ‘is a hero’ bullshit makes me angry because the bloke is a prize prick for doing that at his ‘friends’ concert knowing the damage it will do. He knew full well what he was doing and with friends like that you don’t need enemies!!!

Marches - Yes, provided they do not call for the eradication of Israel or involve harassment of people who disagree or just bystanders who happen to be Jewish.
Children's art exhibitions - no. Agree no.
Artists/ musicians speaking out - Yes. Fine in their own music or concerts.
sanctioning west Bank - I don't have a view on this, but people can think yes or no as they wish.
recognising state of Palestine - No. Agree no as this involves formally recognising a state with an oppressive and violent government.
Prevention from competing in sporting events and eurovision - No. Agree with no - why should they be prevented.
Waving a Palestinian flag - Yes, but depends on the circumstances.
protesting outside an event selling real estate on illegal settlements - Yes ok, provided it's a peaceful protest.

Macklemore had said the same things the previous night but went on stage the second night and said it again. Why did Ed himself not cut him after the first night? Ed knows him and knows his views as he has been public about them. Ed only bowed to pressure when the big wigs came in. The videos from the concert showed overwhelming support for what Macklemore said if you go by the cheers and claps.

If you know the history of the OP's threads then you would know she most definitely proudly labels herself as 'pro-Israel'.

Fair enough. But what the OP personally believes isn't really my point. It's the constant use of “pro-Israel” and “pro-Palestinian” as though they're necessarily opposing positions that I find unhelpful. I don't think caring about Israel and Israelis requires being anti-Palestinian, or vice versa.

Nope, I liked him and his music but found myself very disappointed with his statement. Like the Desmond Tutu quote says “if you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor”.

I shall have a think about it but I'm pretty sure that there isn't... someone is clearly overlooking the brutality of the whole situation if hearing those particular words is "terrifying". It does appear to insinuate many different, rather sinister things to claim that it is "terrifying". It does also tend to give some the impression that they are not viewing others as being worthy as being on their level. The Palestinians are being subjected to brutal terror nonstop yet hearing "Free Palestine" seemingly has such a response on some... It also shows quite the contrast between the two, in all honesty.

Wow.

Would you care to specify what 'sinister things' are implied by someone being terrified by hearing 'Free Palestine'?

Would you care to specify why being scared of someone shouting 'Free Palestine' implies that person sees others as unworthy?

Would you care to specify why you feel you can make these judgements about how other people feel? Have you for example walked in their shoes?

Perhaps some people sing the certain words regarding hearing and the iOf as they have had enough of seeing the sheer brutality of their actions over and over. Seeing what happens to children on a regular basis. What pregnant women have been subjected to. The list goes on and on...

Wow.

Would you care to specify what 'sinister things' are implied by someone being terrified by hearing 'Free Palestine'?

Would you care to specify why being scared of someone shouting 'Free Palestine' implies that person sees others as unworthy?

Would you care to specify why you feel you can make these judgements about how other people feel? Have you for example walked in their shoes?

I think it should be quite apparent given everything...

The war is over? There are probably hundreds and children dying in other conflicts across the world and the question does remain why are artists fixated on one conflict?.I think it's because they are vain shallow uncritical cynical being who wish to appear 'edgy' to a young audience they wrongly assume are going to be pro Palestine as they are well.....young. October 7th is swept under the carpet.

Also there appears that old anti Semitic trope of a Jewish hidden elite pulling strings in every walk of life (and throw in a paedophile for good measure). But if a 1930s Germany throwback for me.

Maybe some of these 'right on' singers could open up a news website and read about the effectively mass torture and execution of dissidents in Iran.....nah doesn't involve Jews does it.

So what should people who oppose the illegal occupation of Palestine say? What's more palatable so as not to offend? What flag should be waved so as not to offend?

It is not.

So not going to clarify?

Yes, as the Palestinian flag has been known to cause great offense to some... I'm curious too now!

@ImmortalNowBabyDoll
And this proves exactly what I was just saying in my post above. You're debating Israel's actions. I'm talking about the experience of Jewish people in an audience who didn't come there to debate Israel. Those are two different things.

Yes there's a lot that people want to control when it comes to Palestine. Easier to cleanse a flagless, stateless people I guess.

There shouldn't be any debate around unequivocally condemning a genocide. Celebrities have been very open about supporting Ukraine in multiple settings- is this "terrifying" for Russian-British or Russian-American fans?

Yes there's a lot that people want to control when it comes to Palestine. Easier to cleanse a flagless, stateless people I guess.

Actually, yes. If an artist supporting Israel – or expressing solidarity with Israelis, which isn't necessarily the same thing – unexpectedly made that part of their support set at someone else's concert, I would completely understand Palestinian audience members saying it made them uncomfortable. I wouldn't tell them it was their own fault for failing to research the support act first.
And we've recently seen calls for Boy George to be removed from performances because of views he has expressed about Israel. I don't remember everyone responding that artistic freedom means audiences simply have to put up with whatever makes them uncomfortable. But I also wouldn't describe this as simply “pro-Israel” versus “pro-Palestine”. That's exactly the binary I'm objecting to. Caring about Israelis doesn't make somebody anti-Palestinian, any more than caring about Palestinians makes somebody anti-Israeli.

But it wasn't unexpected? This is exactly my point. Macklemore does the same at every show. It was completely and totally expected. He has a song called Hinds Hall and one called Hinds Hall 2. If people can't be bothered to research the support acts who else's fault is that? Do you want signs outside of gigs explaining what might and what might not be said?

You keep acting like he was a jump scare instead of an advertised support act that does the same thing at every performance. You don't want him censored so you agree that he had every right to play and say the things that he said. So what did you want to happen so that people who would be uncomfortable with his words would know to avoid him?

I shall have a think about it but I'm pretty sure that there isn't... someone is clearly overlooking the brutality of the whole situation if hearing those particular words is "terrifying". It does appear to insinuate many different, rather sinister things to claim that it is "terrifying". It does also tend to give some the impression that they are not viewing others as being worthy as being on their level. The Palestinians are being subjected to brutal terror nonstop yet hearing "Free Palestine" seemingly has such a response on some... It also shows quite the contrast between the two, in all honesty.