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mids2019 · 16/09/2026 16:19

So Ed Sheeran's tour is in tatters simply because he believes music for entertainment and personally he likes to keep politics out of it (as many many stars do).

Simply because his support wanted to highlight the oppressed people of Iran and the use of capital punishment to stifle dissent support wanted to bring up Gaza without any reference to the start of the war due to a massacre on October 7th and Ed didn't want that he is suddenly the bad guy? Perhaps Ed succumbed to sing of thinking of Jews in the audience and the connotations of 'Free Paelstine' he is now on the naughty step of virtue signallers.

So all those Sheeran fans could lose out seeing someone they have waited months to see because some humpty has to jump on the Gaza bandwagon with a few trite soundbites as part of his act (because hey the ME isn't complicated) to look a bit radical or whatever. Bloody disgrace.

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inamarina · 18/09/2026 08:27

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He’s not the only one who’s calling it ‘conflict’, nothing outrageous about it. You can also call it ‘war’.
To say it the same as calling the Holocaust a ‘gas leak’ is a ridiculous comparison.

Boolabus · 18/09/2026 08:28

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:24

Of course it's fair. Why should art be censored so that everybody feels comfortable? Lots of art makes people feel uncomfortable. Sometimes that's the entire point. Once you start deciding that oh actually this time 'comfort' matters more than freedom of expression then you've opened the door and before you know it it can't be shut again. Either we don't censor artists or we do. Either people's comfort comes before art and freedom of expression or it doesn't. Who should get to decide in which cases 'comfort' matters more than the right to freedom of expression? It seems the answer to that is becoming Billionaires and that's something everybody should be worried about.

It seems the answer to that is becoming Billionaires and that's something everybody should be worried about.

He is not just a billionaire he is named in the Epstein files, was a friend of his and has been charged with sexual exploitation but yes lets give him the power to silence people

Boolabus · 18/09/2026 08:31

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:26

But I didn't say his art should be censored. I said there is a reasonable expectation about what you're going to encounter at an Ed Sheeran concert. Macklemore is completely free to make political art and people are completely free to choose whether they want to attend it. That's different from unexpectedly turning someone else's concert into a platform for it.

Have you ever been to a live music event? Artists spout off all the time about various things some you may agree with some you don't. Nothing Macklemore has done is unusual or uncommon.

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:32

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:26

But I didn't say his art should be censored. I said there is a reasonable expectation about what you're going to encounter at an Ed Sheeran concert. Macklemore is completely free to make political art and people are completely free to choose whether they want to attend it. That's different from unexpectedly turning someone else's concert into a platform for it.

Macklemore is completely free to make political art and people are completely free to choose whether they want to attend it.

Exactly. People were at a Macklemore performance. They were completely free to choose whether or not to attend. They chose to attend. They felt uncomfortable. That's fine. Maybe next time don't attend. That's all that needed to be said and done. Instead Billionaires chose to censor art and people are angry about that. That's the whole debacle really.

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:34

Boolabus · 18/09/2026 08:31

Have you ever been to a live music event? Artists spout off all the time about various things some you may agree with some you don't. Nothing Macklemore has done is unusual or uncommon.

Yes, I've been to plenty. But that's actually part of my point about reasonable expectations. I used to enjoy comedy nights too, but I rarely go now because, as a Jewish person, I know there's a reasonable possibility that Israel/Gaza will come up and I may spend what was supposed to be a fun night out feeling uncomfortable. That's my choice - I'm not suggesting comedians shouldn't say it.
If I bought a ticket to see Ed Sheeran, I wouldn't make the same calculation. I wouldn't reasonably expect a support act to show war imagery, make a political speech about Israel and then specifically address me as a Jew.
I'm perfectly capable of hearing views I disagree with and having my own views challenged. I just don't necessarily want that on a fun night out, and I don't think it's unreasonable to distinguish between different settings.

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:36

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:32

Macklemore is completely free to make political art and people are completely free to choose whether they want to attend it.

Exactly. People were at a Macklemore performance. They were completely free to choose whether or not to attend. They chose to attend. They felt uncomfortable. That's fine. Maybe next time don't attend. That's all that needed to be said and done. Instead Billionaires chose to censor art and people are angry about that. That's the whole debacle really.

But they weren't at a Macklemore concert. They were at an Ed Sheeran concert, at which Macklemore was a support act. That's the distinction.

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:38

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:36

But they weren't at a Macklemore concert. They were at an Ed Sheeran concert, at which Macklemore was a support act. That's the distinction.

Sorry what? They were at a Macklemore performance. They chose to go to a Macklemore performance. Sure he was the support act but he was still a listed performer on the night. He wasn't a surprise act. He wasn't some kind of jump scare. He was the advertised support act.

GeneralPeter · 18/09/2026 08:38

VictorianScreenTime · 16/09/2026 19:21

Fair enough to keep politics out of entertainment and maybe Ed Sheeran should have clarified that position with his support acts before they launched.

However if someone threatens to cancel your venue because of your (or your support act’s) political views then the concept of “I may not agree with Macklemore’s views but I will defend to the death his right to express them” should apply I feel. I think he should have taken a stand at that point.

But it is his tour. So it’s not like defending someone else’s right in the abstract.

The question is really: if someone else threatens retaliation, does that create an obligation to continue to platform speech (that you may or may not yourself agree with). I don’t think it does.

I think to get a sense of it one needs to try a few examples with different cases that one personally supports or opposes.

If venues had threatened to pull out because a support act continued to make political points favour of [the Lib Dems / BNP / Israel / Russia / Ukraine Taiwan / the CCP], would Sheeran acquire an obligation to keep that person on his act regardless of his own views or his own concept of what he wants his tour to be about?

I don’t think so.

TheOneAndOnlyLaura · 18/09/2026 08:42

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:38

Sorry what? They were at a Macklemore performance. They chose to go to a Macklemore performance. Sure he was the support act but he was still a listed performer on the night. He wasn't a surprise act. He wasn't some kind of jump scare. He was the advertised support act.

Sure, but people hadn’t booked and paid deliberately to see him - he’s an add on who, I would imagine, many paid-up Ed Sheeran fans would never have heard of. I’d never heard his name in my life till this week. He’s unlikely to have factored heavily into many people’s decision to buy tickets.

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:43

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:38

Sorry what? They were at a Macklemore performance. They chose to go to a Macklemore performance. Sure he was the support act but he was still a listed performer on the night. He wasn't a surprise act. He wasn't some kind of jump scare. He was the advertised support act.

Of course I know he was advertised. But if I'm buying tickets to see Ed Sheeran, I don't research the political views or previous political performances of every support act before deciding whether to go. Seeing Macklemore listed as support wouldn't make me think I was choosing to attend a political Macklemore performance.

PiddingtonFan · 18/09/2026 08:46

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 06:32

I've now skimmed through the entire thread and, from what I've read, apart from one passing reference very early on, nobody seems to have mentioned Pink's response to this. That's not really surprising because her response seems to have been noticeably missing from a lot of the UK coverage of the story. That's unfortunate because she articulated really well what I'm actually trying to say here.

Pink is Jewish. She was very clear that she wasn't objecting to the words "Free Palestine", wasn't asking for Macklemore to be silenced and wasn't saying that everything Israel does is OK. She also made clear that she cares about what is happening to Palestinians and wants innocent people protected. But she also said that she should be able to say, as a Jewish mother, that what happened at that concert frightened her and people she loves, without that being taken to mean that she supports what is happening in Gaza. She said: "You don't get to decide that for us." And I think that's the part almost completely missing from this thread.

Every attempt to discuss whether Jewish people at an Ed Sheeran concert might reasonably have felt uncomfortable seems to turn immediately back into an argument about whether what is happening in Gaza is terrible. Those are two different questions.

Pink also said: "You don't have to agree with one thing Israel's government does" to care about a Jewish family at a concert feeling frightened or targeted. That's it really. That's the point I've been trying to make. I'm not asking anyone here to change their opinion about Israel, Gaza, Macklemore or "Free Palestine". I'm saying that people should consider that Jewish people were also in that stadium and that they are entitled to describe how that experience felt to them. Telling them that Macklemore meant to reassure them doesn't make their reaction wrong. Telling them that they shouldn't have been uncomfortable in the first place because his comments were about Gaza rather than Jews doesn't make their reaction wrong either.

Any time someone discusses Jewish experience, the conversation immediately becomes another debate about Israel's actions in Gaza.

That's why Pink's statement resonated with me so much. She managed to articulate something I've been struggling to explain. I genuinely think it's worth reading her whole statement rather than just the headlines about her criticising Macklemore: https://ew.com/pink-responds-to-backlash-after-sharing-post-criticizing-macklemore-politics-12116790

True.

I wish people would read this.

Boolabus · 18/09/2026 08:48

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:36

But they weren't at a Macklemore concert. They were at an Ed Sheeran concert, at which Macklemore was a support act. That's the distinction.

They were at Mackelmore watching macklemore, I have gone to gigs many times because it is the support act I want to see more than the main artist. If I am not interested in the support act I turn up later. Macklemore is not an unknown artist he is very big especially among the younger tiktok generation no doubt that is one of the reasons Sheeran booked him to pull in a younger crowd, so it would not have been difficult to look into who he was and what he stood for.

GeneralPeter · 18/09/2026 08:49

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:32

Macklemore is completely free to make political art and people are completely free to choose whether they want to attend it.

Exactly. People were at a Macklemore performance. They were completely free to choose whether or not to attend. They chose to attend. They felt uncomfortable. That's fine. Maybe next time don't attend. That's all that needed to be said and done. Instead Billionaires chose to censor art and people are angry about that. That's the whole debacle really.

The reason I disagree with you is that I see this largely as Ed Sheeran’s concert not Macklemore’s.

But I’m interested whether your view changes if the support act had been shouting “white power” or “crush Tibet” or some other slogan you might disagree with, as part of their act.

Would venues be wrong to say they don’t want that act? Would the main act have some obligation of solidarity to keep them on the bill?

PiddingtonFan · 18/09/2026 08:49

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:38

Sorry what? They were at a Macklemore performance. They chose to go to a Macklemore performance. Sure he was the support act but he was still a listed performer on the night. He wasn't a surprise act. He wasn't some kind of jump scare. He was the advertised support act.

It's an Ed Sheeran concert. Hes the main act. Not someone barely heard of until his political speeches. I go to concerts for the music. The Nova festival young people went for the music. Many didn't get to return home.

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:50

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:43

Of course I know he was advertised. But if I'm buying tickets to see Ed Sheeran, I don't research the political views or previous political performances of every support act before deciding whether to go. Seeing Macklemore listed as support wouldn't make me think I was choosing to attend a political Macklemore performance.

Well that's on you then? If there is a chance that hearing political commentary from an artist at a performance will make you feel 'uncomfortable' then why wouldn't you research all of the performers that you are going to see?

It's hardly Macklemores fault that people didn't research his performance before going to it. Yet he seems to have been censored because of people's ignorance. It's not what he did, it's just that I didn't expect him to do it Confused

PiddingtonFan · 18/09/2026 08:54

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Twiglets1 · 18/09/2026 08:54

Boolabus · 18/09/2026 08:31

Have you ever been to a live music event? Artists spout off all the time about various things some you may agree with some you don't. Nothing Macklemore has done is unusual or uncommon.

I've been to an Ed Sheeran concert in the summer of 2025 (James Blunt supporting) and nothing political was said on stage over the course of several hours. It was a very "family" happy vibe and just about the music and having a fun day out.

"Some artists spout off all the time" ... yes but Ed Sheeran is not of them who talks about political things all the time and Macklemore should spout off at his own gigs if he wants to, not someone else's!

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:55

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:50

Well that's on you then? If there is a chance that hearing political commentary from an artist at a performance will make you feel 'uncomfortable' then why wouldn't you research all of the performers that you are going to see?

It's hardly Macklemores fault that people didn't research his performance before going to it. Yet he seems to have been censored because of people's ignorance. It's not what he did, it's just that I didn't expect him to do it Confused

No, I don't think it's remotely reasonable to expect people to research the political views and previous performances of every support act before buying a concert ticket. I suspect the vast majority of people don't do that. And anyway, was Macklemore actually announced as the support act when these tickets originally went on sale? Support acts are often announced later.
And again, I'm not saying Macklemore shouldn't be allowed to express his views. I'm saying Jewish members of an Ed Sheeran audience are also allowed to say that the way he chose to do it made them uncomfortable. I'm not sure why you seem so determined to argue that they shouldn't even be entitled to that reaction.

PiddingtonFan · 18/09/2026 08:57

PartyHard · 18/09/2026 07:24

So anyone who does business with Jewish people is a ‘Zionist sympathiser’?

Sounding a bit Adolf, there.

Yep poster @Whoisit101 coming over very Adolf with added Jewish Tropes and Holocaust diminishing. I see CITME threads haven't improved at all. Still the same old hatred. No wonder its in a corner most mumsnetters avoid.

OpheliaWasntMad · 18/09/2026 08:57

Boolabus · 18/09/2026 08:31

Have you ever been to a live music event? Artists spout off all the time about various things some you may agree with some you don't. Nothing Macklemore has done is unusual or uncommon.

It’s true that nothing Macklemore has done is uncommon. The comments from celebrities about Palestine are everywhere and unrelenting and as PP have said they make Jewish audience members feel vulnerable, targeted and isolated.

It’s noticeable that so many of these “edgy” performers choose the same cause . Not really that brave of them. Does Macklemore ever think about the young and beautiful victims of the Nova massacre as he looks out on his young and beautiful audience?

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 09:01

KeepOnCleaning · 18/09/2026 08:55

No, I don't think it's remotely reasonable to expect people to research the political views and previous performances of every support act before buying a concert ticket. I suspect the vast majority of people don't do that. And anyway, was Macklemore actually announced as the support act when these tickets originally went on sale? Support acts are often announced later.
And again, I'm not saying Macklemore shouldn't be allowed to express his views. I'm saying Jewish members of an Ed Sheeran audience are also allowed to say that the way he chose to do it made them uncomfortable. I'm not sure why you seem so determined to argue that they shouldn't even be entitled to that reaction.

I'm not sure why you seem so determined to argue that they shouldn't even be entitled to that reaction.

I didn't say that. I've argued against censorship. I literally said that people felt uncomfortable and that's fine.

golosh · 18/09/2026 09:01

Mischance · 16/09/2026 17:41

Free Palestine' is not a phrase denoting threat to either Israel or Jewish people (I'm Jewish for those who don't know)

My Jewish friend was very disturbed indeed and felt threatened by someone thrusting just such a leaflet into her hands.

We do not know how others might react to political statements and if someone has paid to be entertained then that is what should happen - entertainment.

There are plenty of other platforms where views can be expressed and broadcast without these intruding on a concert.

Wow I hope your friend is ok.

Boolabus · 18/09/2026 09:01

Twiglets1 · 18/09/2026 08:54

I've been to an Ed Sheeran concert in the summer of 2025 (James Blunt supporting) and nothing political was said on stage over the course of several hours. It was a very "family" happy vibe and just about the music and having a fun day out.

"Some artists spout off all the time" ... yes but Ed Sheeran is not of them who talks about political things all the time and Macklemore should spout off at his own gigs if he wants to, not someone else's!

Macklemore should spout off at his own gigs if he wants to, not someone else's!
When he is on stage performing his songs it is his section of the gig. Every artist makes up the gig people may have been there just to see macklemore. Did Sheeran have some clause in his contracts with these artists to say they can't say x, y and z? Don't thinks so. They are artists in their own right, adults not controlled puppets of Sheeran fgs

GeneralPeter · 18/09/2026 09:03

DeterminedRat · 18/09/2026 08:50

Well that's on you then? If there is a chance that hearing political commentary from an artist at a performance will make you feel 'uncomfortable' then why wouldn't you research all of the performers that you are going to see?

It's hardly Macklemores fault that people didn't research his performance before going to it. Yet he seems to have been censored because of people's ignorance. It's not what he did, it's just that I didn't expect him to do it Confused

Let’s say you are right. A black family who goes to a Sheeran concert and hears a support act shouting about “white power” from the stage should have done their research and just stayed away if they would be made uncomfortable by that.

But I still don’t see how that obliges Sheeran to keep the white power act on the bill, if the act keeps doing it and venues are threatening to pull out.

Would the venues be wrong in that case? Or Sheeran?

golosh · 18/09/2026 09:07

mids2019 · 16/09/2026 16:54

It was a bit more clear cut who the aggressor was with Ukraine and maybe there was less chance if offending Russians. I guess as a Jew if you were chanting statements associated with the abortion of your religious homeland you might feel intimidated (and a lot of Jews are).

Are you honestly not sure who is the aggressor out of Israel and Palestine?
When there is ethnic cleansing going on?

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