To feel sorry for Ed Sheeran.....

I'd say that they're entitled to feel their feelings but it's inappropriate for them to try to make this about their feelings right now. Talk to your therapist about your conflicted feelings about your country invading another country and brutally murdering civilians. Don't expect anyone else to be worrying about you instead of the civilians being massacred.

I honestly believe that if Israel did not keep oppressing the Palestinians as they have done since day one, there wouldn't be a need for the Abraham accords or anything else. You do know Iran still has a Jewish community. This is exactly why I absolutely hate the idea of any theocracies. They are the source of all the evils in the world while pretending to be some kind of righteous soul saving ideology.

If Jews were to quit Israel now, it would turn into another failed state like Syria with various factions slaughtering each other. Hamas and the other factions would turn it into a blood bath.

I'd say that they're entitled to feel their feelings but it's inappropriate for them to try to make this about their feelings right now. Talk to your therapist about your conflicted feelings about your country invading another country and brutally murdering civilians. Don't expect anyone else to be worrying about you instead of the civilians being massacred.

But it is quite complicated when Iran funds terrorism in Gaza to try to destroy the homeland of Israel isn’t it?
How can you sympathise with the Israeli desire for a homeland but not recognise the threats that surround that homeland?
You only seem aware of the suffering and threats faced by Palestinians?

If a Russian British person said they found it terrifying would you tell them that no they don't, it's sinister and dramatic to feel like that?
Or would you accept you don't really understand how it feels to be Russian British and assume they feel like that because of their own reasons?

I do actually have a Russian friend who has some complex feelings on the conflict that I absolutely cannot relate to. Wouldn't dream of proudly invalidating her feelings on it though.

Unfortunately there has been a terrible attitude from many, many Zionists who have continually felt compelled to share the extent of their beliefs. This is one of the issues many people actually have with it. Just look at some of the many, many public comments made by certain individuals regarding this.

It’s an opinion in the Guardian. But everyone is allowed an opinion, right?

“Kraft isn’t the only billionaire trying to stifle criticism of Israel and stamp out speech: it’s a prevailing theme of our times. Pro-Israel billionaires like Kenneth Griffin have used their donation money to pressure universities like Harvard to oppose students’ criticism of Israel. Meanwhile our billionaire president and his administration have aggressively cracked down on pro-Palestinian protesters, sanctioned law firms perceived to be political enemies, restricted how news outlets cover the White House, and interfered with academic freedom at higher education institutes.
The Trump administration had also updated its immigration guidelines so foreigners could potentially be denied a green card for expressing anti-American or anti-Israeli political opinions. As the ACLU attorney Jonathan Hafetz has noted: “We are seeing the gravest assault on freedom of speech at least since the McCarthy era.””

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I honestly believe that if Israel did not keep oppressing the Palestinians as they have done since day one, there wouldn't be a need for the Abraham accords or anything else. You do know Iran still has a Jewish community. This is exactly why I absolutely hate the idea of any theocracies. They are the source of all the evils in the world while pretending to be some kind of righteous soul saving ideology.

I think everyone agrees that Zionism means the right of Jews to a homeland in Israel.
There are valid arguments about the extent of the homeland and the treatment of the Palestinians etc but surely the initial premise is one we can agree on ?

In which case why would you say a “Zionist sympathiser” should never be heard from again”

I sympathise with the Zionist desire to have their own homeland.
I also sympathise with the Palestinians who are terrorised by settlers .

Plenty seem to like to ignore the fact Iran does has a Jewish community, sadly. It does not seem to fit the agenda of many

Peace in the Middle East is obviously an admirable phrase but it says nothing for the need of the Palestinians to have equal rights, self determination and freedom from persecution.

I honestly believe that if Israel did not keep oppressing the Palestinians as they have done since day one, there wouldn't be a need for the Abraham accords or anything else. You do know Iran still has a Jewish community. This is exactly why I absolutely hate the idea of any theocracies. They are the source of all the evils in the world while pretending to be some kind of righteous soul saving ideology.

But it is quite complicated when Iran funds terrorism in Gaza to try to destroy the homeland of Israel isn’t it?
How can you sympathise with the Israeli desire for a homeland but not recognise the threats that surround that homeland?
You only seem aware of the suffering and threats faced by Palestinians?

I didn't say it. It was another poster. I can sympathise with the desire for a homeland and would have absolutely no issue with it if it wasn't at the expense of the Palestinians who were already living there.

I think everyone agrees that Zionism means the right of Jews to a homeland in Israel.
There are valid arguments about the extent of the homeland and the treatment of the Palestinians etc but surely the initial premise is one we can agree on ?

In which case why would you say a “Zionist sympathiser” should never be heard from again”

I sympathise with the Zionist desire to have their own homeland.
I also sympathise with the Palestinians who are terrorised by settlers .

I think everyone agrees that Zionism means the right of Jews to a homeland in Israel.
There are valid arguments about the extent of the homeland and the treatment of the Palestinians etc but surely the initial premise is one we can agree on ?

In which case why would you say a “Zionist sympathiser” should never be heard from again”

I sympathise with the Zionist desire to have their own homeland.
I also sympathise with the Palestinians who are terrorised by settlers .

It all depends on your interpretation of zionism which was just discussed on another thread. If it means Jews have a homeland alongside Palestinians with equal rights and privileges, they were very wrong. If, on the other hand, it means the Jews having a homeland at the expense of the Palestinians who would have to exist with no fundamental rights, no self determination and no freedom from persecution, they were very right.

What an odd reply. Others were referring to your post where you said:

he is a zionist sympathiser...in which case he should never be heard from again

There is no need to tie yourself in knots and invoke the plight of the Palestinian children to excuse the fact that you called for anyone who sympathises with Zionists (people who believe the Jews should have a homeland in their ancestral land) to 'never be heard from again'.

That's quite the triplejump reply there...leaping over the slaughter and murder of children, only to happily land in the nice warm spot of feeling offended by words or push back on someones revulsion of a genocide regardless of religion or culture.

Why do think people globally feel the need to shout Free Palestine or rebuke Netanyahu ? .....because of the plight of a people made to queue for food only to be gunned down in that queue by the same people.

Is there any acknowledgement that no matter what your views on Israel or Palestine and their rights to their land, that this is a genocide.?? ..baring in mind it has been adjudicated as such internationally. I don't feeling sorry for someone offended by words I'm feeling sorry for the children carrying their parents body parts in a bag.

I don't hate Ed sheeran, ...do I want to hear from him offering some weak mealy mouthed excuse for his current stance , no I do not, that's my choice. What I found baffling was the 'horror' my words generated by far exceeded the horror felt for the annihilation of a nation of people....now that's appalling.

It's odd that people say 'Free Palestine' is completely baggage-free and no one should have any qualms about hearing it, when it is quite obviously used as a form of anti-Semitic abuse. People shout 'Free Palestine' at Jewish people just walking down the street.

I don't know why so much energy does into denying that there are bad actors who use pro-Palestinian campaigning. Why not divert that energy into encouraging use of different slogans that are more difficult to co-opt? 'Peace in the Middle East' is a good one.

That's quite the triplejump reply there...leaping over the slaughter and murder of children, only to happily land in the nice warm spot of feeling offended by words or push back on someones revulsion of a genocide regardless of religion or culture.

Why do think people globally feel the need to shout Free Palestine or rebuke Netanyahu ? .....because of the plight of a people made to queue for food only to be gunned down in that queue by the same people.

Is there any acknowledgement that no matter what your views on Israel or Palestine and their rights to their land, that this is a genocide.?? ..baring in mind it has been adjudicated as such internationally. I don't feeling sorry for someone offended by words I'm feeling sorry for the children carrying their parents body parts in a bag.

I don't hate Ed sheeran, ...do I want to hear from him offering some weak mealy mouthed excuse for his current stance , no I do not, that's my choice. What I found baffling was the 'horror' my words generated by far exceeded the horror felt for the annihilation of a nation of people....now that's appalling.